I suspect it is only with the Heliop@n name, since that is what HP Marketing owns the trademark on.
I suspect it is only with the Heliop@n name, since that is what HP Marketing owns the trademark on.
Just as a point of interest here are some of the companies whose trademarks are registered on Ebay through their VERO program:
*ACD Systems Ltd. *Adobe *Aircraft Technical Publishers *Alan Wasser Associates. *Alar Productions Inc. *Alias/Wavefront *ALK Technologies, Inc. *Almost Free PC *Alpha Omega Publications *American Airlines *American Legends, Inc. (Photo Division) *American School of Needlework *AMP Research *Anders Moden *Anderson Images Inc. *ANNA ART *Anna Rose Collection *Annie's Attic *AOA - Alternative Online Artists *Arai Helmet Americas, Inc. *Avalon Computers *Amway *Arbonne International *Artists Rights Society *Atlantic Recording Corp. *Bad Monkey Productions *Band To Bow *Banned CD *Barnes & Noble, Inc. *Bauer Griffin, LLC *Bee-Alive, Inc. *Bear Country Farm *Big Idea Productions, Inc. *Borden, Inc. *BOWFLEX® *BroadVision *Bronze Gallery *Browning Laboratories, Inc. *Cadence Design Systems Inc. *CameraQuest *Caren's Collectibles *CBT Systems *Chalk & Vermilion Fine Arts *Chanel, Inc. *Chihuly Studio, Inc. *Chintz Net *Chocolate Starfish LTD. *Chordant Distribution Group/EMI Music *Classic Video L.L.C. *Close To My Heart *Cocteau Twins *Coldwater Creek Inc. *The Collegiate Licensing Company *Consolidated Chemical *Cool Savings, Inc. *Creative Images *Creative Memories *Criswell Embroidery & Design *Crystal Air Canada Inc. *Curious Labs, Inc. *Dale Earnhardt, Inc. *Dana's Studio *Daniel J. Karnes *DarkHorse Ranch, Inc. *Dart Industries *David Delamare *Debbie Mumm, Inc. *Delta Air Lines, Inc. *The Delta Phi Fraternity *DIRECTV® *Discovery Toys, Inc. *Disney Enterprises, Inc. *Doggie Bow Ties *Don Cornelius Productions, Inc. *Dynamite Designs, LLC *EBSQ Self-Representing Artists *Echo Marketing LLC *Edgar Rice Burroughs, Inc. *Eel Pie Recording Ltd. *Elektra Entertainment Corp. *Emerald Enterprises *Empire® Comics *Enchanted Art *Entertainment Publications *Eyelet Queen Inc. *Eurotech Photographics *Fender Musical Instruments Corporation *The Ferret Company *Fitness Made Simple/Manta Communications *Forefront Direct *Frederick’s of Hollywood, Inc. *Frito-Lay, Inc. *Gehl's Guernsey Farms, Inc. *George Halbert Productions *GeoVision Inc. *GetHighTech, Inc. *Gifts by Tonya *Good Fairy Ent. *GLOCK, Inc. *Gretsch Company, The *Gucci America, Inc. *The Happy Hammer *Hard Rock Cafe *Hermès *Hilary Haran *HIWATT Amplification® *Hobby House Press *Hoberman Designs *Horizon Organic *House of White Birches *Id Films *Independence Computers *Injen Technology Co. Ltd. *InJoy Productions, Inc. *Invisible Fence, Inc. *JAMO US, Inc. *Jeepster *Jeff Buckley *Jeffrey Blackwell *John Deere *Kaman Music Corporation *Kate Spade LLC *Kawasaki Motors Corp., U.S.A. *Kenny Wayne Shepherd *Kicking Bull Gallery *Kidz Closet Designs TM *Kiwanis International *KNB Enterprises, Inc *La'Baby Boutique *Lancaster Colony Corporation *Learnkey, Inc. LeRoy Neiman Linens 'N Things, Inc. Little Suzy's Zoo Lizzie Borden *The Longaberger Company *Love Potion® *Luminox Watch Company *Lycoris *MA Audio *Macromedia, Inc. *Make Music!, Inc. *Market America, Inc. *Mamiya America Corporation *Mars, Incorporated *Mary Frances Accessories *Mary Kay, Inc. *Marvel Comics/Marvel Enterprises, Inc. *Master of Illusions Entertainment *Matt Groening *Mattleonard *Maverick Recording Company *McCarthy & Kelly LLP and North Jersey Media Group *MedicAlert Foundation International *Merle Norman Cosmetics, Inc. *Metropolitan Kitchen *Micron *Microsoft *The Midwest Center for Stress & Anxiety, Inc. *Miken Sports *Milwaukee Electric Tool *Mitchell Repair Information Company *Monolith Graphics *MOMO *Mort Kunstler *Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) *Motorola, Inc. *Moviecraft Inc. *MTX Audio *MYOB US, Inc. *National FFA Organization *Net Enforcers Inc. *Nettwerk Productions *Network Associates, Inc. *Network Learning, Inc. (CCBOOTCAMP) *Neumann/USA *No Bozos Records *Nonesuch Records, a division of Warner Communications Inc. *Northwest Airlines, Inc. *Novell, Inc. *NSA Inc. Juice Plus+® *NY 9-11 Patch *Oakley *Octagon *Oglio Entertainment Group, Inc. *Orlando Digital Telephone Corp. *Panera Bread Company *Patmont Motor Werks/Go-Ped® *Paul Reed Smith Guitars LTD *Pepi and Company. *Petra Fashions, Inc. *Philips Electronics *The Phone Authority *Piaggio USA, Inc. *Pioneer Electronics (USA) Inc. *Pioneer Thinking *Playboy Enterprises International, Inc. *Plush Zoo *Precise Exercise Equipment, Inc. *Princess House, Inc. *Publick Ptomaine Music *Quickutz, Inc. *Quixtar *Razormaid! Productions *The Recording Industry Association of America (R.I.A.A.) *Red Steagall's Cowboy Corner *ReggieJackson.com, LLC *Reliv International *Revelation Records *Rhino International *Rights Central *Ron Newcomer *Roundheer *Rotary International *Roush Racing *Sadowsky Guitars Ltd. *Saint Louis Bread Co. *Salt Lake 2002 Organizing Committee *Score Entertainment *Scottcrew Enterprises *Serial Killer Designs *Shabby Chic *ShippingSupply.com *Sid Dickens, Inc *SmartCertify Direct *SmartForce *SmartSound Software, Inc. *Southwest Airlines *Spider-Man Merchandising L.P. *Stampin' Up!® *Stanton Magnetics, Inc. *Starbucks Coffee Company *Star-Music International *Stedman's *Steinberg Media Technologies, AG *STILETTO Entertainment *Streamer Effects International *Stussy Inc. *Suzy's Zoo *Swarovski Aktiengesellschafts *Swiss Army Brands, Inc. *Synergetics *T2 Web Group *TestOut Corporation *The Needlecraft Shop *TheNetter.com *The Runaways *Tom Kelley Studios, Inc. *Tomy Ltd. *Top Secret Recipes *Total Gym Fitness, LLC *TracFone® Wireless, Inc. *TradeStation Technologies, Inc. *Transcender LLC *True Colors *Tupperware Corporation *Unearthed Films *United States Golf Association, Inc. *Urban Vision Entertainment *Valeo, Inc. *Vanderbilt University *Varese Sarabande Records *Velcro Industries B.V. *Vera Bradley *Vidbidness *Victoria's Secret Direct, LLC *Visonik *Vornado *V.S. Protective Shield *The Wackenhut Corporation *Warner Bros. *Warner Bros. Records, Inc. *Warner Music Latina Inc. *Wedding Images, Inc. *Weight Watchers International, Inc. *The Wiggles Touring Pty Limited *WILD 1 INC. *Wonder Wizards *World Trade Centers Association, Inc. *World Wrestling Entertainment, Inc. (WWE) *www.cutecolors.com *Yamaha Corporation of America *You Name IT *Zoodles, Inc.
Once again I see this problem in a very simplistic manner. A photographer purchased a piece of equipment, used this equipment for awhile and then decided to sell the used equipment via Eb@y. This can quite simply be stated as used equipment for sale like any other of perhaps thousands of ads on the internet and most certainly on Eb@y.
Does Bob Salomon spend time surfing and policing the internet for all the sites offering to sell used equipment that is distributed by HP Marketing and being sold from outside of the USA? Is he able to stop all of these sales and should he rightfully be permitted to do so? I do not think so.
When I first became interested in LF Photography and started to visit these forums seeking advice on future purchases I received personal emails from Bob Salomon offering to guide me to products that were in his opinion some of the best products available. Once Bob discovered that I was a Canadian photographer he dropped me like a hot potato. Since that time I have become convinced that his motivations are purely driven by profit and for that reason his contributions have “zero” value for myself. This thread only continues to reaffirm that concept.
Back to the main topic, I do not believe that Bob Salomon, Eb@y, and HP Marketing are correct in the manner in which this auction was terminated. I will be writing to the manufactures of the products that I own and which HP Marketing holds the right to distribute new in the USA stating my displeasure with this situation.
As a consumer of many photographic goods I will be even more selective of my purchase choices in the future based upon the information provided by this thread. I also fully intend to share this information in the future with anybody whom I interact with in regards to photography. I have recently taught an “Introduction to Photography” course this spring and am about to begin a new one in a few days for the fall session. I can assure you that my students will be made aware of this situation. Also as most of you are aware that if you tell two people, who tell two people and so on… well you get the idea. I also fully support the original seller and his right to sell any used photographic equipment that he legally owns via Eb@y in any country that he wishes.
Thank goodness those other countries in the free world do not resort to such tactics. God Bless Robert White !
Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark. Professionals built the Titanic.
I find Mr. Salomon's replies reasonable and based upon the facts regarding ownership of said rights.
I still find it highly distasteful that ignorance of the IP law on trademarks and importation is being used as a tool to incite action here against Mr. Salomon.
If you have a strong disagreement with the law, then move to change it. Please do not vent this against Mr. Salomon's legitimate business efforts in this forum. That is a request I make on my behalf, and I believe many others here on photonet.
I do not know, nor have any affiliation with, Mr. Salomon nor his business.
Well, legalese aside, one has to wonder what drives a company of this size and reputation to hound eBay users and people on disability trying to sell out of their garage (or some such example mentioned earlier). Is business *that* bad?
That said, it seems quite obvious (to me, that is) that HP is taking advantage of a legal loophole. I'm sure those who penned the patent law did not intend for it to be used to squelch competition by allowing monopolies to claim rights to things they neither invented or manufactured in the first place.
When this forum moved away from photo.net to here, where it belongs, I was under the impression that personal attacks and crass commercialism were not going to be tolerated. Where are the moderators for this forum?? Looks like the same old same old to me. Will it never end?? My suggestion: If you're un-happy with something or someone on this forum, go back and participate in the LF forum on photo.net. Since misery loves company, these negative remarks will be highly appreciated among the participants on that forum.
Why are threads on photo.net being transferred over here? Those who want to foment this controversy should keep it at photo.net where it belongs, in my opinion.
To conclude from this issue relating to distribution protection that all advice offered by Bob Salomon is motivated by profit and self-interest, as James Phillips did above, is insulting to Bob, demonstrates total ignorance of the history of Bob's contributions to this forum and is unworthy of the spirit of the forum.
When I was trying (unsuccessfully) to adapt a used Linhof studio tripod for use as a field tripod, Bob was infinitely generous with his time in helping me work through what could and couldn't be done, and there wasn't anything in it for him at all.
I am really concerned about the future of internet forums, not just this one but this discussion provides a case in point. I am afraid that people with knowledge to share will stop sharing it because it's just not worth the aggravation, and that will be the end of useful internet forums, what few of them are left.
While I don't like the "spill-over" from photo.net, I have not deleted this thread because apparently this is the only place where Bob Salomon's answer can be read. Maybe that is because so far the tone here has remained sufficiently polite, whereas Bob Salomon would not participate in a thread full of abuse at photo.net ? James and others are entitled to their opinions as long as their are expressed in a well-reasonned and polite way.
This thread seems to be going in endless circles and the tone is not improving as additions are added. In one answer, the contributor said he sought advice, but when he announced he was a Canadian that his help ceased. Realize in most cases, there are companies and distributor networks set up for Canada...from the sound of it maybe Mr. Salomon did not want to step on the toes or opportunity for the proper distributor to make a sale or perform tech or service support. Try to buy a GM, Ford, Chrysler or most any other car in Canada (taking advantage of the exchange rates) and bring it back to the U.S. for registration.
As for the case of Ms. Thayer, Mr. Salomon did not 'make' a nickel according to the scenario on the help given. Maybe she was remaining a retail customer, maybe she was not...the point being made was that help was offered with no specific quid pro quo.
Another person raised the white/grey/black market question, which is maybe the real underlying sensitivity. It is fine when we can 'score' a good deal at another persons expense or to circumvent a company's ability to make a profit. When we are caught and the music has stopped and we are without a chair, the hollering begins. Buying the lens from Hong Kong or the camera from London, we are all so shrewd, but when we need advice, help, service or want to resell and run into problems who should we blame? Maybe a bit of self-responsibility is the answer.
I hope the forum monitors will cease this thread ASAP.
I'm also not happy with 'spill-over' from photo.net, but this was a thread of substantial importance to the LF community, and was missed by many LFers as it was on the MF forum. Further, I note nobody complained when somebody recently described their problems with a possible ebay fraudster, firstly on the LF forum and then here. Indeed, the poster didn't even indicate this was of LF equipment, making me wonder whether it really was that relevant (surely only complaints about LF sellers are appropriate here?).
But, there is an issue here that should be addressed - is it OK for posters with financial interests to post advocating equipment they sell, without disclosing this information. Bob has been very helpful to some people, but almost entirely when it's a product he sells. This gets complicated - people generally best know the equipment they sell day in and day out! I think people with financial interests in photographic equipment should have to declare it when making any recommendation. If Bob say 'xyz equipment is great for that use' I know Bob sells it - I don't think he recommends anything he doesn't sell (and I can't believe that he knows nothing about other equipment). If Ellis Vener recommends it, I know it's because he's tried and tested both it and probably several other pieces of similar equipment, regardless of manufacturer, and has nothing to gain from the recommendation apart from the knowledge that he's helped someone. That distinction counts.