Selenium Quadtone prints

[Don Miller]

I like the mathematical approach.

A $2000 print from a $20 camera is a 100x markup. So if you have $2000 in LF gear I'm thinking that $200,000 is about right. Hey! I'm buyin' more gear.

(Your new prints are worth in currency exactly what people are willing to pay. Ask your dealer for a starting point)

[Michael J. Kravit]

Don't you feel guilty selling inkjet prints for that kind of money?

[Penelope Dixon]

Why on earth should I feel guilty - that would be pretty pathetic don't you think.

Those prices are pretty moderate - people pay more than that every week for all sorts of different art - some of it inkjet and giclee. People will pay more than that for work produced on a Canon laser copier.

[Bill_1856]

"A fool and his money are soon parted." "There's a sucker born every minute." "You can fool some of the people all of the time...."

[Penelope Dixon]

I'm not sure who you think is being fooled or suckered? People know what they are buying. They know they eren't buying calendar art or pretty postcards. Do you have a general impression that people are stupid? I'm certainly glad that isn't what colours my view of humanity. That's pretty sad.

[Jorge Gasteazoro]

Those prices are pretty moderate - people pay more than that every week for all sorts of different art - some of it inkjet and giclee. People will pay more than that for work produced on a Canon laser copier.



Just where exactly is this place where people are buying ink jet prints for $2-3000? Now, I dont doubt your artistic ability and I am sure your prints are worth every penny, or pence as the case may be. But to me this seems extraordinary, specially for an unknown. David J Osborn, who is making digital prints on Fuji Crystal archive, which is far superior to any ink jet print IMO, only gets any where from $700 to $2500, and the high price prints are huge, David Fokos using the same technology rarely gets $3000 for his prints, usually he prices them at about $1500 to start, and he was one of the pioneers of this method along with Burkholder.



I realize I have steered the thread a bit off topic, but I am really curious about this.



Now to answer your question, film is cheap, the price of the print should be based on your artistic vision and I guess the size in your case and it should not matter what size negative the print came from. I would say your current prices are where they should be regardless of negative size. OTOH you are in an extraordinary situation in my opinion, and if you are getting $2-3000 per print you are doing a hell of a lot better than I am and you can feel free to disregard my opinion.

[tim atherton]

Jorge,

I sold a nice 20x24 Lightjet print for just under $3,000 recently, though I must say it was a first at that price.

Mind you, I do find the whole pricing of photography bizarre - I can sell just the use of one picture on a tiny phonecard for a limited time in a limited geographic area (as I have in the past) for $4,000

or I can sell one photograph for use in one edition of the NY Times, as I have done many times, for $250.00

or I can sell 15 images to a textbook publisher for $150.00 each

Or I can sell a print to someone that they keep for a lifetime for say $500.00

totally different markets (and they could concievably all be of the same image) and with totally different ways of pricing and buying and selling images. The exact same thing, yet the markets are as different as chalk and cheese.

tim

[Jorge Gasteazoro]

Hmmm....I must have hit the wrong button, I thought my question was directed to Penelope. Nor do I recall asking for and explanation for the pricing structure of photography (of which I am well aware) or who sold what for how much and how many times.....I hope there is nothing wrong with the software and this does not happen again...

[tim atherton]

"Hmmm....I must have hit the wrong button, I thought my question was directed to Penelope"

If you don't want to discuss it on the forum, then email her off-line, otherwise don't be so pompous

[Jorge Gasteazoro]

If you don't want to discuss it on the forum, then email her off-line, otherwise don't be so pompous



I would like to discuss it in the forum with Penelope not with you. I will let the moderators decide what I can or cannot discuss here, not you bubba



If you bothered to read her last response, she implies she is selling to the art market and that people in her market are regularly paying up to $3000 for ink jet prints and more for laser prints. I find this unusual for the art market. She did not mention phone cards, newspapers, commercial work, or any of the other things you mention and for which I could not care less or asked about.

Your experience and how you price, how many prints you have sold and for how much are things for which I could not care less. I have told you before and tell you again, I have no desire to discuss or argue anything further with you on any topic, I really have no interest nor care about what you have to say, is that simple.



I have easily managed to ignore your questions and responses. Since you have implied in the past that my questions and comments are stupid, why cant you do the same? simply ignore the stupid questions and comments, I am sure your participation and mine as well as for the other people in this forum will be much more pleasurable if you do.



Once again in case it is not clear I do not care, I do not want to know nor am I interested in what you have to say, have an opinion of or think so please spare me your brilliance as it is too much for me to handle.



PS, I was being pedantic, not pompous, there is a difference....