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I don't know if this has been mentioned but Alan Ross has an article on making masks digitally for use in a darkroom in the current issue of Photo Techniques magazine.
Brian Ellis
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you do criticize them you'll be
a mile away and you'll have their shoes.
Fragomeni,
"Good question, sorry I neglected to clarify this. I work exclusively in B&W but I am not limiting what I read to information specific to B&W. I often find that broadly related information can often contain useful information that I can use to extrapolate other information. But yes, B&W."
If you are working with variable contrast paper, you can try out 'dye masking', using yellow or magenta dye on mylar registered over the neg to change local contrast and add density.
Have fun with it all.
Drew , I actually remember Bob Pace, had all his books , I was doing Photo Comp during the same period, I thought some of his work was crude and some was excellent.I preferred Jerry Uselmann style .
We had a Lisle Camera , actually only a few made in the world to do multiple mask montages on 16x20 E6 for magazine , and 8x10 interneg, 6118 and 6121.
Now if you remember working with those materials you are good.
One of the most difficult close crop montage I ever did was 57 close cuts , one on top of each other... Canadian Runner Angela Isojenko, basically the Ontario Science Center set up a 60 yard dash with custom made backlight boxes, the comps I did were then made into Duratran backlights and Young kids would line up Press a button and race against Angela. the light boxes would fire off at her speed and needless to say none of the kids beat her.
I have forgotten most of the little tricks I learned, I screwed up my eyes looking into a light box with a thousands of and inch ruler.. I do not miss making comps by hand and today would be very hard pressed to make one.
But I have to say what is magical is the digital negatives through PS and separating out areas for multiple printing on different alt materials.. got hold of a strosser punch and am now applying basic simple registration work that was common stuff in the 80's.
If you are making comps now by hand I am really impressed.
''Way Beyond Monochrome'' has a good section on all kinds of mask making for B&W.
I had Bob Pace's book and also his video. They're what got me out of masking with color film. : - )
Brian Ellis
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you do criticize them you'll be
a mile away and you'll have their shoes.
Bob - I don't know if what I do could be called comps. There are some instances when the masks have gotten pretty involved, but in many cases only one or two masks are adequate for color printing. Alas, today has turned very cold and wet, so
I won't be outdoors with the 8X10, but after breakfast I will be in the shop attaching a set of masking blades to my newly fabricated registration vacuum easel. I find PS work way worse on the eyes than darkroom tasks. Bob Pace's techniques per se are
more suggestive of technique than anything else - today we have different options.
The are quite a few ways to do masking. I rarely do it for b&w film anymore, since
the quality of the VS papers and the nature of pyro developer have so simplified
things; but for color printing it can be essential for quality results, and of course,
is integral to dye transfer printing.
Up to this point I've been making my masks digitally in PS but I've become increasingly more dissatisfied with that method. One of my common practices for a while was to digitize my cloud negatives so that I bad a database of them to pull from but I do most of my work in silver and digital negs just dont make the cut for silver so I stopped (I acknowledge how great they can be for alt processes but it's a different story for silver printing).Masks can also be generated digitally, and you don't need as high-end a scan as
for digital printing per se; but you do need to be able to print on frosted mylar at
exactly 1:1 size ratio. But then you have to register the output manually. I think
traditional darkroom masking is much more straightforward. Alan's technique is a little
different than some others, but certainly worth learning.
I like Alan Ross's masking techniques (the hand masking using pencil on matte mylar) because it makes use of old paper neg retouching techniques of using pencil on the back of the paper negs, a concept I'm familiar with.
I actually just got a digital copy of the second edition today (on Kindle Mac which sucks by the way. Can't zoom in to clearly see many of the images and graphs.). Great book and a phenomenal wealth of information.'Way Beyond Monochrome'' has a good section on all kinds of mask making for B&W.
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