Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12
Results 11 to 15 of 15

Thread: HC110 - replacement

  1. #11
    Drew Wiley
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    SF Bay area, CA
    Posts
    18,377

    Re: HC110 - replacement

    Roger - I should have stipulated that Bob's original query was in fact in reference to
    color separations. He is taking the path of scans corrected in PS then output on the
    Lambda, while I personally use an extemely precise narrow-band colorhead, so the
    nature of his problem is analogous to the kind of work I sometimes do. The more variable one can pin down and not worry about, the better. It's can be hundred times more complicated than simple black-and-white printing, but fun and rewarding too.

  2. #12
    Roger Cole's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Suburbs of Atlanta
    Posts
    1,553

    Re: HC110 - replacement

    I understood Drew, no problem.

    But the discussion seemed to diverge in usual forum fashion to include the idea that HC110 is so unique it's very difficult if not impossible to reproduce. That may in fact well be true. I note that the Freestyle product says it lacks the color and viscosity of the real stuff. But they do say it works at the same dilutions, times, and temperatures to produce substantially similar results (or words to that effect,) at least in the usual pictorial photography, so HC110 may not be all that special, or it may be special in ways that don't much matter for usual pictorial photography but could for color separations.

  3. #13
    Drew Wiley
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    SF Bay area, CA
    Posts
    18,377

    Re: HC110 - replacement

    Roger - the main point is standardization. Once a substitute product appears, one
    must assess the probability of it being around awhile. In these times, that's getting
    more and more difficult. I had the forethought to work out separation negative formulas on both TMY and TMX film, with the assumption that if one got cut from the
    list, it would be TMY first. And indeed, 8X10 TMX appears that it will be the more
    difficult of the two to acquire in the future. For the moment, HC-110 looks like it
    has a secure following in North America. If it goes, then people like me will be tempted to try a substitute, or formulate a new one. That's something I started working on two years ago but don't consider a priority. The key would be whether
    or not a particular developer can produce a straight line at a very low gamma.

  4. #14

    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    361

    Re: HC110 - replacement

    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Tapscott. View Post
    John, according to Dave Butcher who helped to design it, DD and DD-X which is the same developer in hobby size and is formulated as a liquid ID-11 but uses a modern Phenidone derivative instead of Metol (Elon). The developing times are fairly long compared to many other liquid film developers I know of.
    Did you mean that Ilfotec HC is considered a direct replacement? An equivalent to HC-110 that is? (See darkroom materials in the link below for his description.)

    http://www.davebutcher.co.uk/equipment
    Nope, I was wrong.

  5. #15
    bob carnie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Toronto, Ontario,
    Posts
    4,943

    Re: HC110 - replacement

    Thanks for all the replies , I posted on hybrid and APUG and have received lots of information to digest.

    Drew is correct, I am worried about moving forward and being consistent, as this project develops*pun intended* I may output film for others and I am very concerned about repeatability , consistent quality , and a method for those people interested in this film to gage where their files need to be in regards to numbers.
    I suspect it will be as simple as giving out L channel numbers as end points for specific processes and leave it at that , time will tell. Maybe I will be able to provide my profiles for the processes we work on , not sure yet.

    The key to me is the developer and its relationship to the large area of film it is trying to attack and for that my developer, once chosen should not change and be locked into the workflow.

    I thank all of you for your suggestions.



    Quote Originally Posted by Drew Wiley View Post
    Roger - the main point is standardization. Once a substitute product appears, one
    must assess the probability of it being around awhile. In these times, that's getting
    more and more difficult. I had the forethought to work out separation negative formulas on both TMY and TMX film, with the assumption that if one got cut from the
    list, it would be TMY first. And indeed, 8X10 TMX appears that it will be the more
    difficult of the two to acquire in the future. For the moment, HC-110 looks like it
    has a secure following in North America. If it goes, then people like me will be tempted to try a substitute, or formulate a new one. That's something I started working on two years ago but don't consider a priority. The key would be whether
    or not a particular developer can produce a straight line at a very low gamma.

Similar Threads

  1. Replacement Lamps For Aristo VCL4500 & VCL8100
    By Andrew O'Neill in forum Darkroom: Equipment
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 4-May-2011, 11:48
  2. Efke 50 and 100 Roll and Sheet film in HC110
    By Enrico in forum Darkroom: Film, Processing & Printing
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 22-Nov-2005, 10:59
  3. Developer Comparison: PQ Universal vs. HC110
    By Robert C. McColloch in forum Darkroom: Film, Processing & Printing
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 19-Mar-2005, 16:47
  4. Development times for Ilford Delta 100 w HC110
    By todd Tiffan in forum Darkroom: Film, Processing & Printing
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 29-Jan-2000, 09:31

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •