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    Lightbulb Re: Nude

    If you really got into a model's mind you'd probably find something like:

    "This is soooo boooring. But what the hey... I'm getting paid. It's better than standing in an unemployment line."

    "Jerry and I are going to the concert tonight. This'll be great. He's sooo coooool."

    "That's impossible! I'm not a pretzel!"



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    Quote Originally Posted by ashlee52 View Post
    One of this things that always goes through my mind when looking at a nude shot is, "Does the photograph celebrate how the model feels, or show me the human form in a way that I might never have seen it?" or "Does the photo document merely that the photographer convnced someone to have their picture taken without all their clothes?" One of the sorts of "tests" that a viewer might apply is "Might somebody really be (or wish to be) in this situation/pose/outfit if there weren't a camera there?"
    I would partially agree if the photo is a portrait (nude or clothed) - which should be telling us something about the model. But I would disagree if it is an artistic photo. An artistic photo is all about what the photographer wants to say, with the model posing in a way to achieve that (telling us very little about the model). And it certainly does not need to be a setting that the viewer would ever wish to participate in, camera or no. My nudes are not portraits - I have never tried to convey how the model actually feels. I am asking the model to pose in a way that contributes to the image that I am trying to create.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Miller View Post
    am asking the model to pose in a way that contributes to the image that I am trying to create.
    and it shows. you pictures are very well thought out and disciplined compositions for which the nude is a balancing element. I am so impressed with your work and will bookmark your website.

    This work is so different from the presentation of the figure for itself or for sexual stimulation or for the person within her shape. Rather it is the unification of forms across animal, vegetable and mineral realms and your composition work well.

    Asher
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay DeFehr View Post
    From an evolutionary perspective, the female body is meant to elicit certain responses from male viewers, so it's no surprise so many men choose the subject for their photographs. Speculating about the thoughts/ feelings/ motives of the photographer/ subject/ viewer is just that. I photograph women's bodies, women in general, or a woman in particular, because I like the way they look, for whatever reasons, which can also be said for everything/everyone else I photograph. I don't think a lot of amateur psychology is very meaningful or useful in this context.
    Dingdingding! We have a winner!

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    Nude photography can also show (or be about) the relationship between the model and the photographer. I like photographing my girlfriend in the nude but not other models I have no meaningful connection with. It doesn't have anything to do with me knowing her body but the confidence and complicity between us. The portrayal of a moment we both decided to share.
    For me, the model really needs to want to be photographed nude and should or would have to take the inniciative. I find "convincing" terribly lame.
    I hate to see the photographer's sexual hang-ups in so called nude photographs. I'd prefer straight porn for that as in some of Terry Richardson images.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Cole View Post
    Dingdingding! We have a winner!
    Most definateley not. Because the point the poster is making is that very few of theese are about the nude form or even the viewers reaction to it, they are about the swinging dick behind the camera. If you want the world to see you as that then the honest and respectable way of doing so is by posting a picture of said pendulous member, not by posting a clumsy picture of an uncomfortable paid model or a reluctantly poseing bed mate. Obviously this does not apply to every picture posted but it does apply to some. Some of the models look comfortable. Some of the pictures are more of a collaboration. Some seem a sincere and collaborative attempt at making a dirty little picture. The key is in the intention of the photographer and how honestly that is communicated by the model and the photograph.

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    Re: Nude

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay DeFehr View Post
    From an evolutionary perspective, the female body is meant to elicit certain responses from male viewers, so it's no surprise so many men choose the subject for their photographs. Speculating about the thoughts/ feelings/ motives of the photographer/ subject/ viewer is just that. I photograph women's bodies, women in general, or a woman in particular, because I like the way they look, for whatever reasons, which can also be said for everything/everyone else I photograph. I don't think a lot of amateur psychology is very meaningful or useful in this context.
    Yes, indeed. Psycology is psycology, photography is photography, and neither needs the other. Sometimes the two do work together. Yousuf Karsh was perhaps the greatest portrait artist of the 20th century, and he apparently applied a psycological approach to his work. Amateur psycologists find nude photograhy a rich field in which to cultivate their Freudian fantasies. However, photography needs psycology less than it needs input from art and especially from the world of mechanical devices.

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    My nudes are not portraits - I have never tried to convey how the model actually feels. I am asking the model to pose in a way that contributes to the image that I am trying to create.
    Greg

    I like your nude work very much. To me it plays as a collaboration of photographer and model to celebrate the sense of "natural" beauty in the human form and its comfort in, or oneness with, the rest of nature. Perhaps it is, as well, a celebration of the freedoms of being in private, natural or uncivilised places. This of course can simply be my interpretation of your intent, rather than your actual intent.

    Whatever the exact intent, your photography of the nude is work about beauty and delivered in a beautiful treatment... not cheesy "take off your clothes and let me take a snap shot that doesn't make you look very good, or have any sense of your mood, or make any logical sense of your placement in the context". I guess what I am saying is that some nude work is beautiful to me, some is provocative, some makes me see things in new ways, some is indicative of high craft, and some strikes me as simply awkward and dumb. Just like other areas of photography, I guess.

    This being a "feedback forum" I think it is fair to make implicit suggestions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdm View Post
    Most definateley not. Because the point the poster is making is that very few of theese are about the nude form or even the viewers reaction to it, they are about the swinging dick behind the camera. If you want the world to see you as that then the honest and respectable way of doing so is by posting a picture of said pendulous member, not by posting a clumsy picture of an uncomfortable paid model or a reluctantly poseing bed mate. Obviously this does not apply to every picture posted but it does apply to some. Some of the models look comfortable. Some of the pictures are more of a collaboration. Some seem a sincere and collaborative attempt at making a dirty little picture. The key is in the intention of the photographer and how honestly that is communicated by the model and the photograph.
    You have your opinion, Jay has his, and his is much closer to mine.

    You know about opinions - we could all just post photos of ours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asher Kelman View Post
    and it shows. you pictures are very well thought out and disciplined compositions for which the nude is a balancing element. I am so impressed with your work and will bookmark your website.

    This work is so different from the presentation of the figure for itself or for sexual stimulation or for the person within her shape. Rather it is the unification of forms across animal, vegetable and mineral realms and your composition work well.

    Asher
    Thanks Asher, I appreciate your feedback.

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