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    Air bubble occlusions in Kodak Commercial Ektar 10" lens elements

    Acquired a Kodak Commercial Ektar 10" lens (mfr. 1957) for my Toyo 4X5 view camera and, upon delivery and inspection, two air bubble occlusions are found in the lens elements.

    One air bubble occlusion is in the front element; the second air bubble occlusion is in the rear element. The bubbles are about the size of a champagne bubble: Very small, but immediately observable within the composition of the lens glass when viewed looking through the glass from both the rear and front objectives.

    Questions:

    1) Will these occlusions affect resolution, contrast, and image quality?

    2) How could this lens pass Kodak quality control at the time of manufacture and distribution? I have read that Kodak Ektars are among the finest lenses of their era.

    3) Is it common to find minute bubble occlusions in Kodak Commercial Ektars?

    Thanks in advance for your comments.

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    Re: Air bubble occlusions in Kodak Commercial Ektar 10" lens elements

    1) No

    2) See #1

    3) Yes

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    Re: Air bubble occlusions in Kodak Commercial Ektar 10" lens elements

    The bubbles are found in the best of the old glass. In fact, I think it was a sign of good quality glass -- or something like that. Nothing to fret at all about.

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    Re: Air bubble occlusions in Kodak Commercial Ektar 10" lens elements

    I believe that at one time small bubbles "were a sign of quality glass", and that Nikon was the first optical company to produce bubble-free optical glass, but I have no sources for either statement. I will say that I have owned and used many Kodak Ektar lenses, and all of them were/are of excellent quality.

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    Re: Air bubble occlusions in Kodak Commercial Ektar 10" lens elements

    The old timers claimed bubbles indicated a premium lens. A friend of mine who passed away in 1984 at 102 years old was a photographer from the early years of the 20th century and he claimed bubbles in the glass indicated the best glass. I've owned a number of lenses with bubbles. If you use a high power magnifier like a jewlers loupe to examine the glass you'll see tons of tiny bubbles. Its just a part of making glass.

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    Re: Air bubble occlusions in Kodak Commercial Ektar 10" lens elements

    I am sure the air bubble/quality glass is a myth - spread around by the makers of the "new glass" in the 90's to explain away their problem with air bubbles. They were constantly changing their glass formulae in the search for different refractive indexes and were more concerned about surface weathering of the new creations rather than a few obvious air bubbles.
    In a sense, it is true. More bubbles than usual, means experimental glass, newly developed optical solutions and higher original purchase price.
    A few, or even a whole cascade of, air bubbles will not make any difference.

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    Re: Air bubble occlusions in Kodak Commercial Ektar 10" lens elements

    Quote Originally Posted by Steven Tribe View Post
    I am sure the air bubble/quality glass is a myth - spread around by the makers of the "new glass" in the 90's to explain away their problem with air bubbles.
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    It is not a myth but a reality well explained at www.zeisscamera.com (go to Services - Overhauling a Contax IIA -IIIA Body - and read the whole explanation there).
    GPS

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    Re: Air bubble occlusions in Kodak Commercial Ektar 10" lens elements

    When GM was having persistent problems with its engines knocking it began calling the annoying sound "the sound of economy." People were supposed to start appreciating it.

    As the Car Talk guys said, there is a special place in hell for whoever thought that up.

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    Re: Air bubble occlusions in Kodak Commercial Ektar 10" lens elements

    My 21-year-old Toyota pickup knocks all the time unless I run it on premium gas. I call it the sound of ethanol.

    Peter Gomena

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    Re: Air bubble occlusions in Kodak Commercial Ektar 10" lens elements

    My son's Mazda knocks badly. I think it was made in Jena and the tank has bubbles in it.

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