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    Re: Lerebours Serial Number - Rice Writing

    Quote Originally Posted by anachromatic View Post
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    No doubt about this lens, is something like a "missing link". Its morphology is closer to the very first Petzvals made by Lerebours but already corresponds to the period of the Lerebours & Secretan brand. Made certainly in 1845.
    That sale was only the last link in a chain, the lens pops with a "fresh to the market" photographer set...

    God, what have bad memory!
    Reviewing the information, I realized that I have in my collection, 3 more examples of Lerebours & Secretan Petzval lenses without serial number!
    Two of them comes from the same photographer set that I post before. Pretty sure that the 4 lenses were a whole set of a daguerreotypist. Camera with big lens(maybe A. Millet) was added later.

    3 more Lerebours & Secretan Petzval lenses without serial number.
    The small one...from the daguerreotypist set.


    The big one...from the daguerreotypist set too.



    Big one but no proveneance info :-(
    ...in Instagram as ATELIER PETZVAL.

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    Re: Lerebours Serial Number - Rice Writing

    And here the whole "team" of Lerebours and Lerebours & Secretan Petzval lenses without serial number...!
    ...in Instagram as ATELIER PETZVAL.

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    Re: Lerebours Serial Number - Rice Writing

    Excellent! These are very historic and rare lenses. Congratulations to you.

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    Re: Lerebours Serial Number - Rice Writing

    Garrett, thank you so much!
    ...in Instagram as ATELIER PETZVAL.

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    Re: Lerebours Serial Number - Rice Writing

    Hi everybody, I have very first Petzval made for A Gaudin by Lerebours. One mark "5" on the body, near rack and pinion, so It's the serial of this lens? Thanks!

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    Re: Lerebours Serial Number - Rice Writing

    It is not the serial number. Normally, these small numbers identify some, or each lens part.
    ...in Instagram as ATELIER PETZVAL.

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    Re: Lerebours Serial Number - Rice Writing

    Hi anachromatic, Are you sure? Check the link below out. The number on that lens (same brand) is 4186 - too big number to identify any lens part.

    link of this lens:
    https://www.oldlens.com/gaudin%20petzval%20lens.html

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    Re: Lerebours Serial Number - Rice Writing

    Quote Originally Posted by Duyfam View Post
    Hi anachromatic, Are you sure? Check the link below out. The number on that lens (same brand) is 4186 - too big number to identify any lens part.

    link of this lens:
    https://www.oldlens.com/gaudin%20petzval%20lens.html

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    Agree with Anachromatic. I have a few barrels with single digit numbers that were part of tool identification, most of them are at the rack.

    I have also few lenses with 4 digits stamped in and those I consider serial numbers.

    Soooo, it all depends on the situation.

    Cheers,

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    Re: Lerebours Serial Number - Rice Writing

    Just confirming that the lens Steven is talking about is also the lens I bought, so serial 2964.

    The brass is indeed non-Lerebours. I have other lenses to compare with.

    Few months ago I picked up a Lerebours & Secretan landscape lens with missing glass.

    What appears to be the rear cell holder is different as it doesn't have any thread in it. Internal diameter is 85.5mm and it appears that's a receiver for a lens cell of some sorts.

    So yes, I'll be milling that non-Lerebours brass down to fit the 85.5mm landscape lens receiver and assemble as such a functional landscape lens albeit with a different serial number on the glass (2964) as the barrel (4914) or 1950 units apart

    As for the landscape barrel, came with two washer stops, brass lens cap is missing and a few screws holding the pinion.

    I'm clearly not a purist !

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    Cheers,



    Quote Originally Posted by Steven Tribe View Post
    Very interesting, because....

    Within the last week I have had a PM from a very astute and experienced UK member about another 81mm front achromat - in non-Lerebours brass! - with the edge scratched number of 2964.

    I have come to the conclusion that edge serial number scratching is not a "prevention of fraud", but more a method of keeping tabs of the glass he ( Lerebours OR Lerebours et Secretan) provided for (probably UK based) makers who made the brasswork.

    Note that these 2000 serial numbers are around 1845/6.

    Remember that the achromats used in landscape lenses and the front cell in Petzvals were identica. 81mm was a popular size for Lerebours and most serial numbers in the 2000's are Landscapes - so perhaps the achromat was used in a UK landscape lens around 1846?

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    Re: Lerebours Serial Number - Rice Writing

    Quote Originally Posted by Duyfam View Post
    Hi anachromatic, Are you sure? Check the link below out. The number on that lens (same brand) is 4186 - too big number to identify any lens part.

    link of this lens:
    https://www.oldlens.com/gaudin%20petzval%20lens.html

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    Whilst I am sure that the no. 5 is a size reference to the gears used in the tangential drive in your case, I have seen more than a couple of lenses marked with 4 digit numbers here - both of French and UK origin. Some have had makers/sellers initials at the same spot - some didn't! The "makers" were mostly hardly known and couldn't have made the number of lenses suggested by the serial number! Age looks to be around the 1850's.

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