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    should we stop looking at reproductions?

    Because they mask the intensity of the photographer’s intent. Recently I was able to look at some naked Stieglitz prints at the Art Institute of Chicago. Only matted without frames, they were free from annoying reflections caused by the omnipresent museum glass. I was able to tilt them to create a raking light that revealed Georgia O’Keefe’s freckles. I was able to move my eyes closer or farther back mimicking the sensation of looking at a ground glass and getting that “in focus” effect. Where the light is caught just so on the ground glass screen like catching a butterfly’s wing in mid stroke. Almost like looking over his shoulder as he said, “there” and stopped. But what was most apparent in the prints was the majesty of their beauty. Arrested, deep dark sighs. When Stieglitz used silver to paint the Hand of Man, he obviously saw it rushing out of the glowing morning of modernism and being captured in a glistening dawn. Each silvery tone laid down by the lens and camera, from the imagination of a master and the heart of a muse. Indeed Aurora was rushing towards us that morning. Something else, ugly, more constructed lies in the photogravure versions. The rails are dim, the sky dark. A different cloudier image and a different, darker, meaning. The saddest part was knowing the Russian Revolution interrupted the supply of platinum. What masterworks would he have been capable of at the very moment at the apex of his power. In his hands palladium is wonderous but shows weakly next to the layered blacks from the platinums. But most important was the revelation of his intent. To be able to look simultaneously at the scowling Beck and the enraged O’Keefe, is to sit before the real manifestation of their presence. They were there and they moved me back. I physically recoiled and then laughed. O’Keefe, me and Stieglitz touching each other over 90 years. Time travels. I have these same images in the highly acclaimed Met book of O’Keefe prints and the National Gallery’s book of Stieglitz and countless other obviously inferior reproductions in other books, prints, cards and posters. But nothing is the same and nothing even compares. The reproductions are not real, merely pretend, they only skim, like standing on the bank skipping stones across a deep pond. Jump in with me, naked, the deep water is bracing. Perhaps the better the reproduction the worse the joke, because the most important detail that gives truth and life is exactly what is not there. To be able to be next to, in front of, transfixed by these prints is an irreplaceable experience. Photography’s truth was in my hand. Make an appointment today.

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    Re: should we stop looking at reproductions?

    If so, most of us would never see classic photographs.

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    Re: should we stop looking at reproductions?

    i struggle a lot with this.. especially my Platinum and Platinum over color prints. There's so much depth and subtlety of tone in the print, with so much of that lost on the web. Since that depth and tone makes up a large part of the image aesthetic, the web versions often just get a 'yawn'

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    Re: should we stop looking at reproductions?

    Watchout! You're in danger of becoming a critic. I think you were carried away by the moment. Stieglitz did some fine work but no better than some on this forum. His fame derives within an historical context. Reproductions tell much about a photographer and his subject but generally little about the physical original. That's OK because we, as viewers, have an opportunity to see all this material. With experience gained from viewing original images, we can often guess what the real thing might be like. In fact in some cases the reproductions approach the originals. The whole thesis of the subject is revealed in the reproduction and IMHO this is usually the larger part of the statement. I'll take the reproductions if I must.

    Nate Potter, Austin TX.

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    Re: should we stop looking at reproductions?

    I look at as many original prints as possible. On occasion I go to the Center for Photography in Tucson to view not only original prints but also negatives.
    I generally ask for prints or negatives whose reproductions I have seen in books, or for those which I have seen original images under glass.
    Reproductions are priceless as introductions to the real thing.

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    Re: should we stop looking at reproductions?

    You mean you don't just "get it all" on a monitor or the page of a cheap book?
    Impossible!

    <grin>

    There's nothing like a real print.
    I'm with you 100%.

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    Re: should we stop looking at reproductions?

    I've noticed that glass, particularly UV glass reduces light by nearly a stop. My prints are brighter without glass than with. Its hard to know whether to print for glass or for viewing "raw".

    I do find viewing an actual print a far greater experience than a reproduction. With digital it is a moot point, since they are always reproductions.

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    Re: should we stop looking at reproductions?

    Where the light is caught just so on the ground glass screen like catching a butterfly’s wing in mid stroke.


    are you here to speak with us or for us to read you

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    Re: should we stop looking at reproductions?

    Actually the situation is worse. I read a post on another forum where the poster indicated his primary exposure to B&W photography was looking at de-colorized digital images on Flicker.

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    Re: should we stop looking at reproductions?

    If so, most of us would never see classic photographs.
    Kind of the point is that, if we are viewing reproductions, we aren't seeing them anyway.

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