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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo batt View Post
    in my part of the world there is a law called ...

    the sales of goods act

    any misrepresentation of a product for sale would then be taken to a court for a decision

    its called law and most of us follow it

    and some dont and reap the penalty, i know i would report it.
    see if there are any photographs from Mark Klett, Michael Levin, Hiroshi Watanabe, Julie Blackmon, David Burdeny, Thinh Le, John Chervinsky, Charles Cramer being sold in your part of the world.. you might want to start by reporting them

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    i have no idea who these people are but im sure they use digital as a part of there inkjet process

    as long as they dont misrepresent in the sale of there inkjets

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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo batt View Post
    using a digital process in the production of a photograph does not make the end result a photo.

    as no light was used to make your copy of the neg using a inkjet

    if you want a photo as the end result then use light as the tool during the complete process, any digital step will not render a photo

    this is the concept of photography and it keeps it honest
    ...What Paul says.


    and frankly, I'd say that your example of a straight, uncropped, unmanipulated (i take it you're using an emulsion that has a linear characteristic curve, and that when you developed it, there was no modification of that curve by the chemistry), color (haven't seen much b/w in the real world), no UV filter in front of the lens, is not only an extreme minority.. but i'd suspect a rather uninteresting one (except perhaps for journalistic work). I'd bet there isn't a single photographic image of any significance that has not been manipulated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo batt View Post
    in my part of the world there is a law called ...

    the sales of goods act
    In your part of the world is there there any actual law or case history excluding ink prints from photography?

    If so, it's your duty as a citizen to report the H+F Collection at the Huis Marseille Foundation for photography in Amsterdam, and the Nederlands Fotomuseum in Rotterdam.

    They're lying to everyone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo batt View Post
    i have no idea who these people are but im sure they use digital as a part of there inkjet process

    as long as they dont misrepresent in the sale of there inkjets
    they're being sold, collected, hung in museums as photographic art. They are defrauding the buying public and art community, and for a lot more money than most on this forum bring in. I'd say it's a good start for you to report

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    are they being sold as inkjets or photos?

    if they are breaking the sale of goods act they could well be open to prosecution

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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo batt View Post

    photography is photography
    inkjets are inkjets

    please dont use words that obscure these facts and pass off inkjets as some kind of alt photography process

    inkjets have no connection to any photographic process

    the end
    From the Miriam Webster Dictionary:


    Main Entry:
    pho·tog·ra·phy
    Pronunciation:
    \fə-ˈtä-grə-fē\
    Function:
    noun
    Date:
    1839

    : the art or process of producing images by the action of radiant energy and especially light on a sensitive surface (as film or a CCD chip)


    Main Entry:
    1pho·to·graph
    Pronunciation:
    \ˈfō-tə-ˌgraf\
    Function:
    noun
    Date:
    1839

    : a picture or likeness obtained by photography

    Pablo, you are arguing in whats called circular reasoning in logic.Go take a basic logic course at your local community college, and then come back to argue

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    i think its called blinded by technology

    happy inkjetting

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    Thanks!
    Happy bullshitting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo batt View Post
    are they being sold as inkjets or photos?

    if they are breaking the sale of goods act they could well be open to prosecution
    In those cases, photographs (even though some are captured digitally), under a variety of names.. archival pigment print seems to be the most common.

    But why not start with me... since I start with a digital photograph, print a negative with an inkjet printer, and contact that onto Platinum... That has to be the most dishonest of all from your perspective. I sell platinum prints of photographs (there... i've even admitted it on a public forum.. you can use that as evidence of my wrong-doing). I sell (and have sold) 11x14 prints for $550 US, and a number of 16x20 prints at $700 US. I've even sold some in Europe

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