Originally Posted by kev curry
David,
Why cant you directly address the above questions that I have asked you?
Why cant you take responsibility for your own conduct and the part that you yourself played in the degeneration and derailment of the lounge?
Look forward to your answers.
Sincerely
kev
I know this is gunna kill you all, but can we quit whining about something that doesn't exist - nor will it exist - anymore? Who cares what who said what when? Deal with it. Just deal with it. It's in the past. You all sound like a bunch of children. This place is here for large format photography. (Either that or the domain name really has me fooled) Let's take this emotion and put it behind real topics like which 90mm is the best or how Mr. Kitchen is creating those awesome landscapes.
Thank you for proving my point yet again.
> QT are you saying that the person who is insulted is also to blame because he is the one who started some of the threads?
A person who repeatedly starts political controversial threads is partly to blame for the disruption caused by those threads
> What about the responsibility of the people who offend?
They bear most of it.
> What do you mean gratuitous political threads?
Those that have no relation to photography, do not display original thought, and discuss topics that are essentially trivial.
> WHat about this thread http://www.largeformatphotography.in...ad.php?t=41053 that might have offended deeply some people and was allowed to live and show how low Human nature can go?
Thanks for bringing it to my attention, I just deleted it.
> But my real question is: why not get rid of the offenders instead of banning political and religious topics in the Lounge, when we have seen in this very thread that an aggressive mind will be so at any occasion it finds?
The alternative is not without problems neither. We felt it would be preferable to return this forum to its roots, which is photography.
much appreciated!
Allow me to present a possible solution to the matter at hand.
While I fully respect the decision(s) of site-mod(s) here at LFPf, I do enjoy a bit of off-topic chatter.
On my forums there are two off-topic areas. One is hidden from view from all who are not logged-in. The latter also requires switches to be thrown in a user's account in order to view.
Admission to said private area is by request, as in you register, then request access. The rules are clear on my end. Here it was loose and I played hard now and again as when in Rome... well, my back-yard ain't Rome, but it is open to topics related to politics among others. I am the only moderator at NFf, and I do enforce the no-abuse policy, with relish.
That's what I can and will now offer. I'm not looking to build member numbers as my goal has always been small community, slow growth. I'm only trying to help sooth the situation here.
Best,
Craig
No more talk about Homeland Security and lost film/equip etc.
Come on Jim, we all know the world is not black and white - why do some always have to take any changes to the absolute extreme? I am pretty sure that none of the moderators would mind a post about lost equipment and the problems he/she had with home security screenings at the airport. We all know which posts the moderators are referring to when they made the decision. It is uncalled for to paint the moderators as in-tolerant dictators - I would argue that this is one of the most tolerant forums out there on the web. Try to have any political controversial discussions on pnet or any other photography sites - you'd get banned in no time.
Juergen
QT,
This website and forum are almost irreplaceable as a source of information for experienced and inexperienced photographers alike. Nothing can be more important than ensuring the health and integrity of this great resource.
Therefore, changing the rules to the lounge hurts to a point but is easily accepted when you put it into perspective.
I personally am ambivalent about the “new lounge”. On one hand I am delighted to be rid of the ill mannered and uncivil dialog. On the other hand, there are some very intelligent and knowledgeable people on the lounge who have been able to answer questions for me about modern history, global economies, and cultural issues that I may not have been exposed to before.
In many instances I also found the lounge to be somewhat of a microcosm of society. Often times we are surrounded by friends and family that do not represent the breadth and depth of ideology that exists in America and around the world and I found it very interesting to meet and communicate with all these different people.
The ideal of an un-moderated lounge was an interesting experiment. The results point to a well known and disappointing reality……human behavior needs to be moderated for the benefit of society.
Which leaves us with the conclusion that the rule change is absolutely required unless someone volunteers to moderate the lounge.
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