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    Graflex and Graphic serial numbers

    Just thought some people might be interested.

    The "not the serial number book but" list of Graflex and Graphic serial numbers is now available to view, comment and expand on the Graflexchange. A direct link is:

    http://www.southbristolviews.com/gra...ange/index.php

    I'm not sure what happened on graflex.org with this, but it's now available again...

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    Re: Graflex and Graphic serial numbers

    I found the serial number listing on the Graflex.org site quite easily and found the date of manufacture for 2 of Graphics. It is useful to have a resource for buying/selling Gralflex parts etc a sadly lacking feature of Graflex.org.

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    Re: Graflex and Graphic serial numbers

    Ian, when did you last look up a serial number over there? As of August, they removed the serial number section of the forum. Seems to be some bruised ego problems, or maybe a power struggle? Don't really care as the serial number and "book" problem will be resolved one way or the other...

    The Graflexchange was started quite a while ago for the very reason that graflex.org did not allow and form of wanted/sales posts. It's sorely under-used though as most people seem to be more interested in making money on the auction site than helping other Graflex users... It has helped a few though.

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    Re: Graflex and Graphic serial numbers

    I seem to remember the Serial no's being in a Forum thread. I copied them along with Schneider, Rodenstock & Zeiss serial no's from somewhere else into an Open Office document for quick reference.

    When I made a request for help finding parts on the Graflex.org site I got abuse from a few members, but not the site organisers (who defended my right to post) as I hadn't mentioned money or payment. That seemed stupid as surely the Graflex.org site is about helping each other.

    In many ways it's a pity that they have made it necessary the need for a site such as yours, which I'm sure will become more useful in the future.

    Ian

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    Re: Graflex and Graphic serial numbers

    My Autograflex is not on it, its in the 4,000's.

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    Re: Graflex and Graphic serial numbers

    A "4,000's" Autograflex would be in the neighborhood of 1926 or a bit later...

    I'm working on making the entire book available but we'll see where that goes as the actual owner of the "book" is no longer with us. I never could understand why folks at graflex.org tried so hard to prevent anyone from seeing the book?

    If anyone has serial number questions about their cameras, I will do my best to answer them over at the Graflexchange...

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    Re: Graflex and Graphic serial numbers

    Quote Originally Posted by RichSBV View Post
    A "4,000's" Autograflex would be in the neighborhood of 1926 or a bit later...

    I'm working on making the entire book available but we'll see where that goes as the actual owner of the "book" is no longer with us. I never could understand why folks at graflex.org tried so hard to prevent anyone from seeing the book?

    If anyone has serial number questions about their cameras, I will do my best to answer them over at the Graflexchange...
    I'm afraid you're off track there. My autograflex has the clamshell top, not the later chimney top. I was told by Fred Lustig that these were on only the earliest Graflexes.

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    Re: Graflex and Graphic serial numbers

    You're 100% right and I have no idea how I came about that date?

    "the book" only starts at 1915 with serial numbers in the 47xxx range. Just a bit higher than 4000... Sorry about that and there's no way I could possibly date such an early number...

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    Re: Graflex and Graphic serial numbers

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    476861 – 70mm combat graphic --1956
    448826 – 2x3 pacemaker speed -- 1948
    448870 – 2x3 pacemaker speed – late 1947
    485150 – Graflex View II – 1961 or 1962
    449420 – 2x3 pacemaker speed -- 1947
    449676 - 2x3 pacemaker speed — late 1947/early 1948
    503636 - Century – 1949 -1950
    504832 – Century – 1949-1950
    505660 – Century --
    506802 – Century – late 1949
    507248 – Century -- 1949
    508311 – Century – 1949 or 1950
    508923 – Century -- 1949 or 1950
    509011 – Century – 1950
    510967 – Century -- 1950
    513162 – Century – 1950-1951
    517253 – Century -- 1951
    523213 – century -- 1954
    527202 – Century – early 1960
    528296 – Century -- 1961
    528734 – Century (F2A) -- 1962
    529178 – century – 1962, august
    532951 – Century – 5/1965
    531994 – Century -- 1963
    533833 – Century – 1964
    534550 – Century (A7B) -- 1967
    535474 – Century – guessed at 1966 or 1967 beyond
    535916 – Century (A8A) – 1968
    640660 – Super Graphic – 1957 Supers start at s/n 640000
    646687 – Super Speed – 1959 or 1960
    646731 – Super Speed – 1958
    647661 – Super Speed - 1958
    648819 – Super speed – 1960
    648226 – Super Graphic -- 1960
    653715 – Super Speed – 1964
    653928 – Super Graphic -- 1964
    700583 – Speed -- 1949
    700782 – 2x3 pacemaker speed – 1947
    702513 – 2x3 pacemaker speed --
    702540 – 2x3 pacemaker speed – 1948
    702760 – 2x3 pacemaker speed –
    706289 – 2x3 pacemaker speed – 1950
    708316 – crown --
    708752 – crown view --
    709934 – 2x3 pacemaker -- fall 1950
    710103 – 2x3 crown -- 1950
    711643 – 2x3 crown – 1951-1952
    714194 – 2x3 pacemaker speed
    714427 – 2x3 pacemaker speed -- 1953
    714820 – 2x3 crown – 1953
    725928 - --
    730569 – 2x3 crown -- 1950
    731262 – 2x3 crown -- 1950
    733153 – 2x3 crown – 1948?
    733683 – 2x3 pacemaker speed – 1949?
    733964 – 2x3 crown – 1952
    751020 – 3x4 pacemaker speed – 1949
    751049 – 3x4 anniversary – 1946?
    752395 – 3x4 pacemaker speed – 1949
    752399 – 3x4 pacemaker speed --
    756085 – 3x4 crown -- 1952
    757144 - 3x4 crown — late 1952/early 1953
    800830 – pacemaker speed – 1949-1950
    801176 – 3x4 crown – earliest in book 802602 in 1950
    820534 – 4x5 pacemaker speed -- 1948
    820986 – 4x5 pacemaker speed – 1949
    821775 – speed --
    823460 – pacemaker speed – 1949?
    825224 – 4x5 speed – 1949 or 1950
    825252 – 4x5 pacemaker speed – 1949
    829099 – pacemaker speed --1948-1949
    829350 – 4x5 pacemaker speed, military –1954
    830307 - pacemaker speed – 1949?
    832222 – pacemaker speed -- 1948?
    832434 – speed – 1948-1949
    832683 – pacemaker speed – 1949-1949
    833035 – pacemaker speed --
    836449 – pacemaker speed -- 1949
    839610 – 4x5 pacemaker speed – 1948
    841679 - 4x5 pacemaker speed -- 1948
    842182 – pacemaker speed – 1948
    843145 – 4x5 pacemaker speed – 1948
    846237 – 4x5 pacemaker speed -- 1950
    846278 – pacemaker speed -- 1950
    846346 – 4x5 pacemaker speed – 1950
    847630 - 1950
    847678 – 4x5 pacemaker speed -- 1950
    852552 – crown – 1950
    853070- 4x5 pacemaker speed – 1950
    853078 - --
    858257 – pacemaker speed – 1950
    859543 – Speed, Black – late 1950
    860467 – pacemaker speed – late 1950 –early 1951
    864199 – pacemaker speed – 1951
    864887 – crown – 1952
    865971- 4x5 pacemaker speed -- 1951
    866825 – crown – 1949-1950
    867408 – 4x5 crown – late 1952 to early 1953
    868468 – pacemaker speed -- 1951
    869804 – 4x5 pacemaker speed – 1951
    871786 – crown --
    872795 – pacemaker speed -- 1951
    873013 – pacemaker speed – 1951
    873077 – crown -- 1951
    873699 – pacemaker speed -- 1951
    873704 – crown -- 1951
    875725 – crown – 1952
    875719 – speed --
    877060 – 4x5 pacemaker speed -- 1952
    877143 – crown – 1952
    877652 – 4x5 crown – 1952
    878302 – 4x5 pacemaker speed --
    879590 – crown --
    879913 – 4x5 pacemaker speed – 1953
    879936 – pacemaker speed -- 1952
    880105 – 4x5 crown -- 1953
    880476 – 4x5 crown --
    881105 – speed – 1953
    881212 – crown -- 1953
    881378 – pacemaker speed – 1953 or 1954
    882550 – 4x5 crown – 1953
    882738 – 4x5 crown --
    883126 - speed -- 1953
    883441 – 4x5 crown -- 1953
    883464 – crown – 1953
    884051 – pacemaker speed -- 1953
    885067 – crown – 1953
    885579 – 4x5 crown 1953 or 1954
    886402 – crown – 1953
    886161 – crown -- 1951
    888157 – 4x5 crown – 1953
    888821 - -- 1953
    889795 – crown --
    890184- pacemaker --
    892030 –
    895391 - --
    902460 – 4x5 pacemaker speed – 1955
    903057 – 4x5 pacemaker speed -- 1955
    903511 – 4x5 pacemaker speed –1954
    903531 – 4x5 crown --
    906490 – pacemaker speed --1955
    907537 – crown
    911463 – pacemaker speed –1956
    911851 – pacemaker speed – 1956
    912462 – pacemaker -- 1956
    914599 – crown -- 1956
    915057 - crown
    915952 – crown – 1956
    916842 – 4x5 pacemaker speed – 1956
    918487 – crown -- 1956
    919489 – crown -- 1956
    919713 – crown – 1956
    920010 – crown –
    921144 – crown -- 1956
    921230 – crown – 1956 or 1957
    921235 – 4x5 pacemaker speed – 1956
    921798 – crown --
    922849 – crown –1957
    922691 – 4x5 pacemaker speed – 1956
    924133 – crown -- 1956
    925156 – crown -- 1957
    925472 – crown -- 1957
    926810 – crown -- 1957
    928713- side rf crown -- 1957
    929599 – crown – 1958
    932529 – crown -- 1959
    938136 – crown -- 1959
    935638 – crown – 1959
    936431 - -- 1959
    936509 – 4x5 crown – 1959
    938131 – crown -- 1959
    938538 – 4x5 crown – 1959
    938745 – 4x5 crown --
    939928 – 4x5 crown –1959
    941113 - -- 1959-1960
    942501 – FP Speed -- 1960
    943146 – 4x5 crown – 1960
    943246 – crown -- 1960
    945610 – crown – 1960
    946538 – crown – 1962
    948034 – crown --
    950070 - crown -- Aug. 1962
    950508 – crown -- 1963
    952269 – crown – 1962?
    954527 – crown -- 1962
    954772 – 4x5 crown, side rf –
    956346 – 4x5 crown – 1962
    957448 – crown --
    960544 – 4x5 crown – 1961
    961224 – 4x5 crown – fall 1962
    961761 – crown – 1962
    964631 – 4x5 crown -- 1962
    964799 – pacemaker speed – 1962
    966160 – crown --
    966405 – 4x5 crown – 1962
    967762 –“ Heinz 57” crown – Sept. 1964
    969578 –
    970883 – Crown (J3A) -- 1963
    973592 – crown -- 1963
    976273 – crown – Feb. 1965
    974135 - 4x5 crown (e4a) - April 1964
    974728 – crown (f4a) – May 1964
    976761 – speed – 1964?
    978635 – 4x5 crown -- December 1964
    980335 – crown -- guessed at 1965
    981511 – crown – estimate 1967 or 1968
    982046 – crown --
    984538 – crown – estimated at 1968
    985310 – crown -- 1968
    985320 – crown (J8A) – 1968
    987845 – crown --
    989641 – crown – may 1972
    990198 – crown – 1973 or 1974
    990367 – crown (H2B) -- 1972[/i]

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    Re: Graflex and Graphic serial numbers

    I found this on the web I hope it helps other on dating there

    Graflex
    I purchase mine new on the day Graflex when bankrupt. S/N 991201
    It was the last new one in Fresno CA.
    I and the store found later that day Graflex was bankrupt.


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    4839 - cycle graphic -- 1897
    12780 – RB Auto – 1906-1908 guesstimate
    14230 (15103 overstrike) 3x4 RB Tele – 1907
    15359 - 5x7 Press Graflex -- 1907-1908?
    patent Feb. 5, 1907
    20310 – 4x5 RB Auto – 1910-1911
    last patent date Aug. 31, 1909
    28207 - pre introduction speed – 1911
    28613 – 3x4 Auto – 1911-1912
    3?173 – 2x3 Auto – 1912-1914
    33214 – 3A Graflex – 1912-1914
    47402 - Graflex 1A -- 1915 approx.
    44859 – 2x3 Auto – 1915-1916
    48245 - 3.25 x 5.5 compact graflex – early 1920’s
    56232 – 5x7 Home Portrait – 1916-1917
    66669 – top handle speed – late teens
    78238 – 5x7 press graflex – approximately 1915
    780(8)45 – 4x5 Top Handle Speed –1915
    77482 – 3A Graflex – 1915-1916
    84407 – 5x7 Press Graflex --
    85996 - top handle speed –1917-1918
    86300 – 4x5 top handle speed – 1917-1918
    87794 - 5x7 speed – 1918-1919
    88330 – 5x7 compact Graflex - 1917-1918
    88374 – 5x7 compact graflex – 1916-1918
    91208 – 4x5 Auto Graflex -- 1916-1919
    92230 – 2x3 Auto – 1917?
    95361 - 3x4 RB Auto – 1918-1919
    100573 – RB Graflex Junior --
    101084 – 3x4 top handle speed – 1916-1917
    109798 – 5x7 compact graphic – late 1919 - 1920
    111170 – 3.5 x 5.5 Top Handle Speed – 1918 to 192
    114168 – 3x4 RB Tele – march 1921
    119544 – RB Series B – spring 1922, listed as a Tele
    122098 – 3x4 RB Auto – 1922-1923
    126379 – 2x3 RB Auto – 1923
    141580 – 4x5 Auto Graflex – 1924
    142772 - 3x4 Series B -
    143124 – Series B – 1925
    144339 – 3x4 Series B – 1925
    146133 – Series B – 1925-1926
    154561 – RB Series B – 1926
    157258 – 5x7 2D --
    160990 – 3x4 RB Auto – 1928
    161429 – Series D -- 1927
    162053 – Series B – 1928
    167748 – RB Series D – late 1929 – early 1930
    173470 – RB Series B – 1930
    173655 – RB Tele Graflex – 1930 logged as Series D
    173747 – RB Series D -- 1930
    175549 – 5x7 Speed graphic – 1931
    178123 – 3x4 RB Series B -- 1931
    182582 – 3x4 series B – July 1933
    186880 – 4x5 pre anniversary -- 1935
    187383 – 3x4 Series D -- 1935
    187838 - -- 1935
    188090 – 5x7 Speed – 1935
    188112 – 5x7 Speed – 1935
    188672 – 4x5 RB Series D – late 1935
    198477 – 4x5 Series D -- 1937
    199363 – speed – 1937
    199732 – speed -- 1957
    224448 - pre anniversary – 1937 to 1939
    225775 – anniversary -- 1939
    226272 - 2x3 Revolving Back Speed Graphic - last half 1937
    226451 – 3x4 pre anniversary – late 1937
    226919 – 2x3 RB Series B – 1937
    226704 – 3x4 RB Series D – 1937
    226919 – 2x3 RB Series B - 1937
    229303 – 3x4 pre anniversary –1938
    229533 – pre anniversary -- 1938
    231769 – RB Series D -- 1938
    232404 – 5x7 pre anniversary – 1938
    232843 – Crown View, 3x4 back -- 1938
    232898 – 5x7 Speed – 1938
    232992 – 2x3 Graflex -- 1938
    233071 – miniature speed --
    238702 – pre anniversary speed – 1939
    238817- 4x5 pre anniversary - 1939
    238929 – pre anniversary – late 1939
    239759 – miniature speed – late 1939
    242164 – pre anniversary -- 1939
    242453 – pre anniversary – 1939
    244626 – miniature speed –
    247286 – 4x5 Crown View – late 1939 - early 1940
    248852 – anniversary – late 1939
    248869 – anniversary – early 1940
    249977 – miniature speed – 1940
    250609 – miniature speed –
    251890 – anniversary --
    254186 – anniversary --
    255040 –
    255436 – 3x4 Anniversary – 1940
    2577xx – 3x4 anniversary – 1940
    260301 – 4x5 Crown View – 1941
    260838 – miniature speed --
    262183 – 3x4 speed – 1940
    263824 – anniversary -- 1940
    264164 – 4x5 anniversary – fall 1940
    266978 – anniversary – 1940
    269081 – anniversary – late 1940 - early 1941
    272543 – miniature speed – 1940-1941
    274891 – anniversary --
    278433 - -- 1941
    287212 – miniature speed – 1941
    289222 - -- 1941
    292785 – miniature speed – 1941
    296507 – USAAC C3 --
    301444 – anniversary -- 1941
    309109 – anniversary -- 1942
    310465 – anniversary – 1942
    311261 – anniversary -- 1942
    318023 – anniversary -- 1943
    320317 – government anniversary – 1943
    323070 – anniversary, black, PH-47-E -- 1943
    323859 – government anniversary – 1943
    326717 – anniversary – 1943
    336467 – miniature speed --
    341099 – anniversary – 1944
    341320 – anniversary --
    341667 – anniversary -- 1944
    342045 – anniversary – 1944
    342917 – anniversary -- 1943
    346031 – anniversary – 1945
    345141 – anniversary – 1945
    349200 – black anniversary -- 1945
    350679 – anniversary – 1945
    351201 – anniversary -- 1945
    354145 – miniature speed – 1945 1st batch after WWII
    354765 – miniature speed - 1946
    358103 - anniversary -- 9-1945
    358807 – anniversary – 1945
    359242 – anniversary, black, PH-47-E -- 1945
    360070 – anniversary – 1946
    366041 – 3x4 anniversary – 1946
    368409 – miniature speed – 1945 or 1946
    370236 – Miniature Speed – 1945
    371107 – miniature speed – 1945
    371834 - anniversary, black – 11/3/1945
    377164 – miniature speed – 1946
    377356 – miniature speed – 1946
    380367 – 3x4 anniversary -- 1946
    389835 – anniversary -- 1946
    392216 - 4x5 Anniversary – 1946
    392343 – anniversary -- 1946
    393196 – anniversary – 1945 or 1946
    394550 – 3x4 anniversary -- 1946
    395280 – 3x4 anniversary -- 1946
    397653 – anniversary -- 1946
    398792 – 3x4 anniversary - 1946
    401843 – anniversary – 1946
    410196 – 2x3 crown -- 1947
    410224 – crown – 1947
    411398 – 2x3 crown -- 1947
    412061 – 2x3 pacemaker speed -- 1946
    411249 – crown -1946
    414010 – 2x3 pacemaker speed –1947
    414353 – 2x3 pacemaker speed --1947
    414384 – 2x3 pacemaker speed -- 1947
    416532 – 4x5 Super D graflex – 1947
    416644 – Super D graflex – 1947
    417622 – 4x5 Super D -- 1947
    420378 – crown – 1947
    421985 – crown -- 1947
    423001 – 4x5 pacemaker speed -- 1947
    425408 – 2x3 pacemaker speed -- 1947
    428594 – 2x3 Crown – 1947
    432504 – crown -- 1947
    432244 – crown – 1947
    435012 – crown –1947
    440064 – 2x3 crown – 1947
    440093 – 2x3 crown --
    445232 – crown -- 1947
    4474xx – pacemaker speed – 1947
    452903 – 4x5 pacemaker -- 1947
    453426 – 4x5 pacemaker speed – 1947
    455004 – 4x5 pacemaker speed --
    456333 – 4x5 pacemaker speed --
    469904 – Crown View II --
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