I Feel the Temptation of...

[Colin Abercrombie]

I feel the temptation of...buying cheap, out of date film. Its really really cheap! Obviously I have some questions, so here goes:

I am a total beginner with respect to everything 4x5; I have not even taken my first shot yet. I have a nice Crown Graphic with 135 lens and a film holder. I now need some color film to continue, and outdated Provia 100F sheets are available at low cost from an internet vendor.

1. The website states that the oldest film expired Aug, 2006. Can anyone think of a reason why there would be anything wrong with this film? It has been "cold stored."

2. (This is the most important question) Velvia 100 has been my usual film in small formats for mountain landscapes---I like it. Would Provia be an acceptable substitute? Cost is everything, and this Provia is less than 25% of the price of Velvia.

I appreciate everyone’s input and opinions! Just reading all the Q and A has been a tremendous help to me.

Thanks

Colin

[Ash]

All film is affected by age. Once the film gets past a certain point the chemistry basically deteriorates and you lose speed. I use expired b&w 35mm frequently. I don't have much of a problem since ISO-50 film is pretty slow to begin with, but ISO 400 has a loss in speed after a couple years - I'm shooting agfa apx-400 expired and it needs to be rated slower or push processed. I'm also using expired 4x5 film since it was the most available thing to me, and again, no real loss in quality because the film was slow.

I think with colour/slide film you need to compensate and rate it at about half the marked speed if it's expired more than a year (at a guess). Cold-storing protects the film to an extent, but damage is done by cosmic particles so it could be frozen for 10 years and be no better off than some in dry storage.

I'd say go for it, as long as its not more than 2 years old. Shoot a sheet at the EI/ISO on the box, then shoot another (of the same thing) at about EI-50 and see which has the better exposure. That'll give you a clue to what you should rate the film

[Ralph Barker]

There have been a few threads here about using outdated film. The worst that can happen is that some emulsion speed will be lost, and you may see some color shift with color film (or somewhat higher B+F on B&W). But, as noted, an awful lot depends on how it was stored and transported. Thus, for "fun work", it's probably a good deal.

I wouldn't use outdated film, however, for critical testing or commercial work. Others may feel differently, of course.

[Brian Vuillemenot]

I never cold store my film, and have regularly used Fuji and Kodak tansparency film that was at least one year post expiration with no problem at all. I would definately go for the cheap out of date film, since you are a beginner, and will probably want to burn a lot of film to get used to LF. If you are used to the bold saturated colors of Velvia, you may not like Provia, however- it's a lot more neutral, without the same "punchy" colors of Velvia.

[roteague]

2. (This is the most important question) Velvia 100 has been my usual film in small formats for mountain landscapes---I like it. Would Provia be an acceptable substitute? Cost is everything, and this Provia is less than 25% of the price of Velvia.

Sorry Colin, but if cost is your major concern, you probably need to stick with 35mm.

[Colin Abercrombie]

Sorry Colin, but if cost is your major concern, you probably need to stick with 35mm.

Total cost depends on your system of measurement, and style. You can probably make any photographic system cost as little or as much as you want. Based on my experiences over the last few years, I am confident that LF will have LESS total cost to me in the short term. I will re-evaluate my decisions next year and see how what really happened compared to what I thought would happen, and then make corrections. I am not right 100% of the time but I can tell you one thing: If you don't try, if you don't make an effort, you will never know for sure.

Colin

[Ron Marshall]

I always cold store and have used OOD without ill effects. If it is less than one year OOD and has been cold stored I would use it, but not for something irreplacable.

[Hiro]

Films expired in Aug. 06 should be OK if they've been cold stored (I'd say even in room temp.). I've used films "older" than that. I would get them for that price, but it's your chance to take. One thing to consider is, for the very first shots, you may want to eliminate potential things-went-wrong as much as you can. I'd use "fresh" films even if I bought those outdated films.

As to Provia vs. Velvia, you answered yourself: "If you don't try, if you don't make an effort, you will never know for sure."

[Turner Reich]

Why waste your time fine tuning old out of date film. It would be like a painter going to the art supply store and asking for some old out of date paint.

[Capocheny]

Colin,

Buying out-dated film is usually done at one's own peril. However, if it's been stored in a cool spot such as a fridge (or, better yet, a freezer...) it "should" be okay. I've used films (Provia) that have been stored in the freezer for the past 4 years and have not had any problems with color shift or speed changes. But, YMMV.

And, if the oldest film expired in August 06 I don't think you'll have any problems whatsoever with it. I'd buy it!

As for Velvia vs Provia, they're quite a bit different from each other. You're already familiar with Velvia. So, do yourself a favor... buy a box / roll of Provia and give it a go. You'll see for yourself whether you like it or not. What have you got to lose other than a roll / box of film?

FWIW... I prefer Provia over Velvia but that's a very personal preference! However, if I were out shooting fall foliage in a low contrast day... I'd be tempted to use Velvia.

Cheers