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    Smile Let's start a petition for Pan-F in 4x5!

    I'm not sure how to set it up technically, but just thought we could let Simon Galley at Ilford know how many people would buy PanF in larger formats if it were available. I'll post something on APUG as well, and perhaps we can consolidate lists. Just add your name to this thread, show your enthusiasm, and we'll make sure Simon sees it.

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    Re: Let's start a petition for Pan-F in 4x5!

    It's just not going to happen.

    Simon Galley has explained that the emulsion in PanF is incompatible with the sheet film substrate, and that they've tried but can't get it to work.

    Better hope for Delta 25!

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    Re: Let's start a petition for Pan-F in 4x5!

    Polaroid 55 P/N is still available, I have heard that it is actually Panatomic X - try it you will love it! (A little expensive but the quality is unsurpassed.

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    Re: Let's start a petition for Pan-F in 4x5!

    Quote Originally Posted by G Benaim View Post
    I'm not sure how to set it up technically, but just thought we could let Simon Galley at Ilford know how many people would buy PanF in larger formats if it were available. I'll post something on APUG as well, and perhaps we can consolidate lists. Just add your name to this thread, show your enthusiasm, and we'll make sure Simon sees it.
    I tried to talk to Ilford and got some initial response, but not enough. I want to have real film back - I'm with you... Something nice - double coated, with lots of midtone separation.

    I don't care if it is pan f or the old FP4 - or something new. I think there are a lot of us who would like a "premium" film. Most everyone I talk to is very unhappy with current film.

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    Re: Let's start a petition for Pan-F in 4x5!

    I like Ilford's Delta and XP2 films... been shooting them in 6x6 and 35mm, and the only reason I don't use themin 4x5 is that Ilford doesn't sell them in Quickloads...

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    Re: Let's start a petition for Pan-F in 4x5!

    Quote Originally Posted by G Benaim View Post
    I'm not sure how to set it up technically, but just thought we could let Simon Galley at Ilford know how many people would buy PanF in larger formats if it were available. I'll post something on APUG as well, and perhaps we can consolidate lists. Just add your name to this thread, show your enthusiasm, and we'll make sure Simon sees it.
    Why would you want Pan F in larger formats? Across, Delta 100 and Tmax-100 all have smaller grain and higher resolution.

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    Why would you want Pan F in larger formats? Across, Delta 100 and Tmax-100 all have smaller grain and higher resolution.

    Sandy King
    Actually Sandy,

    I confirmed with Ilford a while back that Pan F has finer grain than Delta 100, but Delta 100 is a sharper film. I've noticed this when working with MF 6x7 negs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanking View Post
    Why would you want Pan F in larger formats? Across, Delta 100 and Tmax-100 all have smaller grain and higher resolution.
    Sandy King
    They only have smaller grain where it's sharp. If you look at areas of sky, the grain is very large. These films are made with silver chloride vs silver bromide and it isn't anywhere as sensitive as traditional film. They have half the number of tones available to them. It's like playing a piano with 88 keys but in the back there are only 44 strings to strike.

    If you make prints with only 44 tones it doesn't matter - as in fairly contrasty. But if you don't they are horrible. Those of us who like a full, rich tonal range find them quite lacking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenny Eiger View Post
    They only have smaller grain where it's sharp. If you look at areas of sky, the grain is very large. These films are made with silver chloride vs silver bromide and it isn't anywhere as sensitive as traditional film. They have half the number of tones available to them. It's like playing a piano with 88 keys but in the back there are only 44 strings to strike.

    If you make prints with only 44 tones it doesn't matter - as in fairly contrasty. But if you don't they are horrible. Those of us who like a full, rich tonal range find them quite lacking.

    Lenny
    That may be your opinion, but some of the best traditional work I have ever seen was done with Tmax-100 and roll film.

    I don't personally have any need for a slow ASA sheet film, but if one is looking for optimum quality in 4X5 or 5X7 with large enlargment Tmax-100 is the path to success in my opinion.

    Of course, this assumes that one takes the time to learn how to expose and develop the film to optimize results. T-grain films do not have as much latitude in exposure and development as traditional films.

    Sandy

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    Re: Let's start a petition for Pan-F in 4x5!

    Quote Originally Posted by sanking View Post
    That may be your opinion, but some of the best traditional work I have ever seen was done with Tmax-100 and roll film.
    I don't personally have any need for a slow ASA sheet film, but if one is looking for optimum quality in 4X5 or 5X7 with large enlargment Tmax-100 is the path to success in my opinion.
    Of course, this assumes that one takes the time to learn how to expose and develop the film to optimize results. T-grain films do not have as much latitude in exposure and development as traditional films.
    Sandy
    I tried a lot of developers, probably 30 or so, even invented one of my own to try and get the most out of TGrained films. (I did figure out what the agent was that made TMax and others develop out.) I know a lot about development, different developers and how they interact with silver grains. I've been photographing for more than 40 years and have taught the zone system to a ton of people so I think I know how to expose by now.

    It is my opinion, but in my opinion, these films really stink. That said, it has a lot to do with what one is after. I want a full tonal range, as I have said. If you print contrasty like good 'ol Ansel, it doesn't matter what film you use. However, if you want to print like a platinum printer the TGrained films will fail you. Every time.

    I scan my images on a drum scanner and print with custom mixed six dilution b&w inks. This medium has far more range than a silver print, and even a bit longer range than a platinum print. The more tones you get in your image, the more 3D it appears - just ask any platinum printer. When you hit it right it is the difference between what things look like and what they feel like.

    It is a much different thing than a journalist is after, for instance. Lots of kinds of art in photography... all valid

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