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    Face-mounting the new inkjet papers: can't be done

    Hi guys, here's a bum piece of news: it looks like the new generation of inkjet papers (Crane Museo, Hahnemule Fine Art Pearl, and Innova) cannot be face-mounted on plexi. The paper has a thickness to it, like a sponge, and apparently that thickness holds millions of tiny bubbles of air which get squeezed onto the surface of the print during the mounting process. I have had several prints face mounted as a test, and every one of them showed this defect. We tried one with heat and that seemed to solve the problem, but then it showed up on that print a couple of weeks later.

    So for inkjet prints to be face-mounted, the Epson RC papers still seem to be the best bet.

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    Re: Face-mounting the new inkjet papers: can't be done

    Hi Chris,

    Did you run all the tests at the same lab? Different labs have different cleanliness stanards in terms of dust, etc which can also cause bubbles or other imperfections in the mounting process.

    Also, I would definitely stay away from hot mounting in terms of the archivability factor with those prints (the heat may de-stabilize ink bonding and accelerate chemical reactions which could lead to image decay).

    Have you tried using the digital c process for the imaging and face-mounting? (I've gotten consistently phenomenal results with both opaque photo paper and duratrans film imaged and finished this way)

    Dan

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    Re: Face-mounting the new inkjet papers: can't be done

    Didn't have anything to do with cleanliness standards. Finishing Concepts has been face-mounting my big prints on Luster and Semimatte for several years, with consistently good results. There is something about the new papers that creates bubbles between the paper and the plexi.

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    Re: Face-mounting the new inkjet papers: can't be done

    I recently had prints on Hahnemuehle FAP diasec mounted. No problems whatsoever. Not with the diasec that is. All rolls of FAP I used had such coating problems that I quit using this particular paper.

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    Re: Face-mounting the new inkjet papers: can't be done

    I forgot to add: I also had a sample of Innova diasec mounted to see what it looks like. This also worked fine.

    Jan

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    Re: Face-mounting the new inkjet papers: can't be done

    Jan, what is diasec? Is it a method for face-mounting?

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    Re: Face-mounting the new inkjet papers: can't be done

    Chris
    The pressure of the rollers indeed would be a problem, has your lab experience with silicone mounting for face to plexi, not sure if this would help but if they are using permatrans exclusively then silicone could be an option to try.
    Also a pre coating protective on the print surface may provide a barrier for the adesive process to work.*some workers I know will soak their prints in a gelatin like substance * not sure this would help your specific problem* the print inks are then in a emulsion of gelatin.
    Would be interested to see how you make out with this.

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    Re: Face-mounting the new inkjet papers: can't be done

    Quote Originally Posted by chris jordan
    Jan, what is diasec? Is it a method for face-mounting?
    A proprietary form of face mounting (mainly found in Europe?) - "supposed" to be the most archivally safe...

    E.G. http://www.diasec.com/

    what all the Struthskys use
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    Re: Face-mounting the new inkjet papers: can't be done

    Yes Chris, Diasec is a face-mounting method for adhering photos to, e.g., acrylic plates. It is widely used for art work. Maybe in the States it has another brand name?

    Jan

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    Re: Face-mounting the new inkjet papers: can't be done

    Chris, have your people tried Optimount (I think it is...) etc?
    Last edited by tim atherton; 14-Sep-2006 at 15:03.
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