I own a phillips 7 x 17 and it is a fantastic camera. For 8 x 10 I own a wehman which I also really like. I almost went with the shen hao 7 x 17, but Dick had a couple people back out at the last minute on the 7 x 17, so I would definitely call him re: the 8 x 10's. But if you can't get a phillips, you should look at the wehman and shen hao (which is very much designed after the phillips, but all wood). I think the Wehman and Shen Hao are comparably priced around $1800? You can get a sinar adaptor for the Wehman too.
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