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    Re: Book Printing Revisited

    The Amazon discount may looks helfty, but my understanding is that any bookstore takes a standard 50% off list.

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    Re: Book Printing Revisited

    How does it work with amazon ... do they just sell on consignment, and you take care of the shipping?
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    Re: Book Printing Revisited

    I did have a whole article somewhere about selling through amazon for self-published books - but of course I can't find it now...
    You'd be amazed how small the demand is for pictures of trees... - Fred Astaire to Audrey Hepburn

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    ha - I'd posted it on your list Pual

    don't recall where it actually came from....

    Small publishers say Amazon.com has opened big doorsTuesday, August 16, 2005
    Updated at 10:17 AM EDT

    Associated Press

    Seattle - Cellular biologist Bruce Lipton holds no fond memories of his
    early struggles to get his book published.

    One by one, the big houses in New York looked at Biology of Belief:
    Unleashing the Power of Consciousness, Matter and Miracles, but eventually
    said no, suggesting his theory that signals outside cells control genes was
    too radical for mainstream readers.

    "I wasted a whole year with them," Mr. Lipton fumed.

    Then he signed on with an independent press that relies heavily on
    Amazon.com Inc. Since then, he and his publisher say, more than 42,000
    copies have sold in six months.

    "To go in and end up using Amazon as a way of getting out there and jumping
    ahead of a lot of the big corporations ... that was really fun," said Mr.
    Lipton, a former University of Wisconsin medical school professor who lives
    in Santa Cruz., Calif., about 100 miles south of his publisher, Santa
    Rosa-based Elite Books.

    With its limitless shelf space, Seattle-based Amazon has helped countless
    other authors and small publishers earn the same bragging rights in the past
    decade, giving readers throughout the world instant access to books they
    might never have found.

    "Book publishing at one time was clubby, and that really has changed," Al
    Greco, senior researcher at the Institute for Publishing Research in
    Bergenfield, N.J., says

    Using data Amazon has collected about what its customers buy, considered
    buying, browsed but never bought, recommended to others or even wished
    someone would buy for them, the bookseller is able to recommend more
    purchases and direct searches toward products it thinks a customer is most
    likely to want.

    In the process, it has essentially made the buying public part of a
    marketing machine that's driven up demand for books that once might have
    been much harder to find.

    Ask small publishers what they like most about Amazon, and they'll say it's
    the global reach. Another huge plus, they say, is that Amazon pays its
    bills - and on time.

    "I spent seven months trying to collect from a major bookstore chain. Amazon
    drops the money in my checking account every single month without fail,"
    says Cathy Stucker, who runs her own publishing company out of her home in
    Sugar Land, Texas, and has sold hundreds of copies of her main title, The
    Mystery Shopper's Manual on Amazon.

    It's common for publishers to spend months waiting to get paid, then receive
    a shipment of unsold books returned - often with an order for a new batch of
    books. That makes cash flow a big problem for the little guys.

    "Basically, they get your inventory on consignment," says David Cole,
    founder of Bay Tree Publishing in Berkley, Calif.

    By comparison, Amazon typically orders books in fairly small numbers and
    rarely returns them.

    Greg Greely, vice-president of the company's worldwide media division, says
    Amazon sends back less than 10 per cent of the books it orders, while some
    reports suggest that brick-and-mortar stores return up to half of their
    shipments.

    In 1998, when Amazon created its Advantage program for small publishers, it
    touted the service as a way to help level the playing field in an industry
    that has long favoured the big dogs. Today, many small publishers say it's
    worked.

    "All publishers are basically equal, because just about all publishers'
    titles are on Amazon and can be delivered to your door in a couple days,"
    says Kent Sturgis, president of the Independent Book Publishers Association.

    Amazon keeps track of sales and inventory for its Advantage publishers, and
    automatically reorders books when stocks are running low. Members pay a
    $29.95 fee, and Amazon takes a 55 per cent cut of sales - about what most
    wholesalers charge.

    Amazon would not disclose how many members belong to its Advantage program,
    other than to say "tens of thousands." It also wouldn't discuss details of a
    separate co-op fee system that has generated grumbling from some small
    publishers. Amazon started out selling nothing but books, but now sells
    power tools, beauty supplies and virtually everything else. It doesn't
    disclose how many books it sells each year. Nor do its major competitors.

    Because those numbers remain tightly held secrets, no one is sure how many
    books get sold on-line each year, though experts say it's a growing slice of
    the publishing pie.

    Internet book sales make up the bulk of so-called "direct-to-consumer"
    sales, which also include sales from catalogues and toll-free numbers. While
    direct-to-consumer sales have been rising in recent years, sales at Barnes &
    Noble, Inc., and Borders Group, the nation's two largest book retail chains,
    have remained relatively stagnant.

    Researcher Greco's best estimate is that on-line sales account for 7 per
    cent to 10 per cent of total U.S. book sales annually - up from virtually
    nil 10 years ago.

    "Without Amazon," he says, "I think it's safe to say there would've been a
    larger erosion in sales."

    Some experts say that Amazon hurts independent bookstores, which can't match
    its vast inventory. Others contend that Amazon doesn't bear all the blame
    because its rise coincided with the growth of giant bookstores and mass
    merchandisers such as Wal-Mart Stores, Inc., Target Corp., and wholesale
    price clubs.

    Powell's Books, a chain of local bookstores in Portland, Ore., has seen its
    sales increase steadily in the last several years. The company points to
    both its own Web sales, which started in 1994 - a year before Amazon went
    live on the Internet - and Amazon's success making millions of people feel
    comfortable shopping on-line.

    "Once they were converted and the idea was no longer scary to them, we could
    market to them and position ourselves as an alternative," Dave Weich,
    Powell's director of marketing and development, says.

    Books, music and videos, which Amazon lumps into a single category, bring in
    most of the company's money. But as part of global revenue, the media
    division is shrinking slightly. Last year, media products accounted for 74
    per cent of $6.9-billion in revenue - down from 79 per cent of 2002's total
    sales of $3.9-billion.

    Barnes & Noble's on-line division did $420-million in sales last year -
    about 9 per cent of the company's total sales, and up from $151-million the
    year before.

    Many publishers say Amazon's benefits outweigh its pitfalls, but one gripe
    is widespread: Amazon has driven up sales of used books - great for thrifty
    readers, but bad, they say, for authors who depend on royalties.

    "That's done more to hurt publishing, big and small, than anything, and
    readers don't think about it," says Fran Baker, a romance writer who runs
    her own publishing company, Delphi Books, in Lee's Summit, Mo., outside
    Kansas City.

    Amazon, though, has seen used books spur sales of new books. "We've found
    customers that do buy used books are more likely to come back and buy [new
    books] from that publisher or that author," Greely says. "It's a way of
    introducing customers to new genres, new areas of interest."
    You'd be amazed how small the demand is for pictures of trees... - Fred Astaire to Audrey Hepburn

    www.photo-muse.blogspot.com blog

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