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Thread: Glue to re-seat dry wood joinery in LF frame?

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    Re: Glue to re-seat dry wood joinery in LF frame?

    "A crock pot works just as well and costs $15 at Walmart"

    A baby bottle warmer is quite cheap and works very well to warm the glue and keep it at a reasonable temperature, and a baby food jar (saved in the shop for various uses from when my now-grown kids weren't) is the perfect size for fitting in the bottle warmer and holding a working amount of hide glue. FWIW.

    Robert

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    Re: Glue to re-seat dry wood joinery in LF frame?

    Fortunately I have a sous vide cooking thingy that'll keep things at a nice 150deg without having to get all DIY on a heating solution.
    I like the glass jar idea, seems ideal and wide mouthed for easy access to the goop.
    Glue is here, as soon as my real work project is delivered I'll have time to experiment a bit with using the glue on scrap and then go for the real frame.

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    Re: Glue to re-seat dry wood joinery in LF frame?

    Starting the process this week: hide glue as recommended. Thanks for all the advice, I don't do this often and like to know what I'm getting into and not ruin an antique in ignorance.
    I'm not going to do a tear-down and full restore of the wood frame, it's earned its scars, but I may polish up the brass later.

    This is the majority of the damage, thankfully not cracked and its just joints being old and dry:
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    Re: Glue to re-seat dry wood joinery in LF frame?

    Had an Improved Empire State view that looked to be in almost like new condition, but many of the joints were loose. Probably either from storage at extremely varying temperatures, or from a batch of bad glue when the camera was assembled. Hunch is the latter. Used Clear Gorilla glue, one joint at a time with serious clamping for 24 hours of curing. Wood has to be moist when the glue applied, very, I mean very little glue needed, and serious clamping a must. Was careful, and not a bit of the glue seeped from any of the seams. Was 100% satisfied with the results.

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    Re: Glue to re-seat dry wood joinery in LF frame?

    I made way too much glue I'll drop some cling wrap over it and toss it in the refrigerator.

    Squared to the frame and against flex, glued and clamped, and now we wait.

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    Re: Glue to re-seat dry wood joinery in LF frame?

    Ending the thread on an up note - a day later the joins are rock solid and I can't even tell at the seams that it was ever falling apart.
    It's always great to learn a new skill and have it pay off right away.

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    Re: Glue to re-seat dry wood joinery in LF frame?

    This is a great thread concerning hide glue as I need to secure a few joints of an Agfa Ansco 8x10 also. Is there a way the existing glue in the joint to re-secure the joint by heating or by moistening and heating?

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    Re: Glue to re-seat dry wood joinery in LF frame?

    That's theoretically possible but it usually won't work. If the joint is truely good and the original wasn't enough to do the job, there won't be extra glue to activate.
    Thanks, but I'd rather just watch:
    Large format: http://flickr.com/michaeldarnton
    Mostly 35mm: http://flickr.com/mdarnton
    You want digital, color, etc?: http://www.flickr.com/photos/stradofear

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    Re: Glue to re-seat dry wood joinery in LF frame?

    Quote Originally Posted by mdarnton View Post
    That's theoretically possible but it usually won't work. If the joint is truely good and the original wasn't enough to do the job, there won't be extra glue to activate.
    Thanks for the info. Well I'm off to order some hide glue granules. What preparation do I need to do on the loose joints to get a solid joint? I kind of assume that additional heated hide glue will "activate" the glue that's already there to create a solid joint.

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    Re: Glue to re-seat dry wood joinery in LF frame?

    It's always good to clean out the old joint with boiling water and something like a q-tip, if you can get to it, but if you don't do that it will probably still hold well.
    Thanks, but I'd rather just watch:
    Large format: http://flickr.com/michaeldarnton
    Mostly 35mm: http://flickr.com/mdarnton
    You want digital, color, etc?: http://www.flickr.com/photos/stradofear

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