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    Anyone have 8x10 300mm f5.6 environmental portrait examples?

    Hello everyone!

    I was looking into getting an 8x10 setup with a 300mm f5.6 lens to mimic the look of a 40mm f.7 lens on 35mm. I'm having trouble finding full body / environmental portrait examples of that setup though (specifically shot at f5.6), so if you have any you'd like to share I would love to see!

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    Re: Anyone have 8x10 300mm f5.6 environmental portrait examples?

    A 40mm lens on 35mm is equivalent to a 240mm lens on 8x10, in my humble opinion.

    A 300mm lens at f/5.6 has the same depth of field as a 150mm lens at f/2.8, a 75mm lens at f/1.4 a 37.5mm lens at f/0.7

    In other words, not much.

    That being said, Paul Strand used a 300mm lens on 8x10. Here's an example portrait (the painter Georges Braque), but likely made stopped-down at bit. He may have used some front swing to align the plane of focus with the wall and thus easily keep everything in focus.

    It's probably a scan taken from one of his books- so the image quality is not too high - but we get a sense of the perspective. Because 300mm is a "normal" focal length for 8x0, the perspective is... normal.


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    Re: Anyone have 8x10 300mm f5.6 environmental portrait examples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Lee View Post
    A 40mm lens on 35mm is equivalent to a 240mm lens on 8x10, in my humble opinion.

    A 300mm lens at f/5.6 has the same depth of field as a 150mm lens at f/2.8, a 75mm lens at f/1.4 a 37.5mm lens at f/0.7

    In other words, not much.

    That being said, Paul Strand used a 300mm lens on 8x10. Here's an example portrait (the painter Georges Braque), but likely made stopped-down at bit. He may have used some front swing to align the plane of focus with the wall and thus easily keep everything in focus.

    It's probably a scan taken from one of his books, so the image quality is not too high, but you get a sense of the perspective. Because 300mm is a "normal" focal length for 8x0, the perspective is... normal.

    Ah thank you for the comparisons! Alright, then maybe i'm looking for a tighter perspective than 300mm on 8x10.

    Here's an example of the "look" i'm trying to achieve. This photograph was taken by Jonathan Canlas (http://jonathancanlasphotography.com). For reference, this was shot with a 110mm F2.0 on a pentax 67 (so equivalent of about 52mm, F.9 on a 35mm). The subject isolation at F2.0 on the pentax 67 mimics the classic 8x10 DOF (think Alvedon's portraits of Bob Dylan).

    I tried googling F5.6 lenses at 400mm on 8x10, but can't seem to find any (which would give roughly the same depth of field). Any suggestions?
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    Re: Anyone have 8x10 300mm f5.6 environmental portrait examples?

    Hello, you can have a look at my flickr's 8x10 gallery. Pretty all pictures where made with a 300mm Fuji lens ; https://flic.kr/s/aHskahaqZ5

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    Re: Anyone have 8x10 300mm f5.6 environmental portrait examples?

    Quote Originally Posted by mathieu Bauwens View Post
    Hello, you can have a look at my flickr's 8x10 gallery. Pretty all pictures where made with a 300mm Fuji lens ; https://flic.kr/s/aHskahaqZ5
    Thank you, although the link you posted did not work.

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    Re: Anyone have 8x10 300mm f5.6 environmental portrait examples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Lee View Post
    A 40mm lens on 35mm is equivalent to a 240mm lens on 8x10, in my humble opinion.
    Do you know what the precise "crop factor" is for 8x10 relative to 35mm? Wikipedia lists 0.143 as the ratio between the two formats, but of course, Wikipedia's accuracy isn't always consistent.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_sensor_format

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    Re: Anyone have 8x10 300mm f5.6 environmental portrait examples?

    "A 40mm lens on 35mm is equivalent to a 240mm lens on 8x10, in my humble opinion."

    Quote Originally Posted by MAubrey View Post
    Do you know what the precise "crop factor" is for 8x10 relative to 35mm? Wikipedia lists 0.143 as the ratio between the two formats, but of course, Wikipedia's accuracy isn't always consistent.
    As others have pointed out, the ratios differ. Hence my original caveat "in my humble opinion"

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    Re: Anyone have 8x10 300mm f5.6 environmental portrait examples?

    It's unclear to me whether you are looking for perspective isolation or depth of field isolation. With such a plain background, the shot you show could be shot with a number of different focal lengths on 8x10 and come off equally well, though slightly different, as long as the lens was used close to wide open.

    You'll find few or no lenses of 400mm and f/5.6 that are in shutters, probably. They never made conventional shutters that large, I don't think, and certainly not modern ones. The 15" tele-Raptar f/5.6 is close, at 380mm, but it doesn't quite cover 8x10. If you want that speed and size, it's almost certainly Packard territory.

    Historically, in a general sort of way, early fast lenses were f4.5 and f.6.3. Something that's f5.6 is almost certainly going to be a more modern lens, and by the time you get beyond 300mm or so, they are limited to 6.3 or so because of available shutter sizes. The old 4.5 lenses in the length you want are gigantic!

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    Re: Anyone have 8x10 300mm f5.6 environmental portrait examples?

    12" (300mm) f/4.5 Gundlach Radar, shot at f/8 if I remember:



    In comparison this was shot wide-open:



    I would point out though that the 110mm f/2 you mention on 6x7 is more like a 360mm f/6.8 on 8x10. Which is available - look for a 360mm f/5.6 or f/6.8 Symmar (the f/6.8 is newer). And, here's a photo from said Symmar (the f/5.6 version), shot wide-open:



    BTW, look up images by SergeiR on this forum for many examples from the 300mm Radar and 360mm Symmar lenses - he does great portraits. I don't shoot a lot of portraits.
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    Re: Anyone have 8x10 300mm f5.6 environmental portrait examples?

    Quote Originally Posted by Corran View Post
    12" (300mm) f/4.5 Gundlach Radar, shot at f/8 if I remember:



    In comparison this was shot wide-open:



    I would point out though that the 110mm f/2 you mention on 6x7 is more like a 360mm f/6.8 on 8x10. Which is available - look for a 360mm f/5.6 or f/6.8 Symmar (the f/6.8 is newer). And, here's a photo from said Symmar (the f/5.6 version), shot wide-open:



    BTW, look up images by SergeiR on this forum for many examples from the 300mm Radar and 360mm Symmar lenses - he does great portraits. I don't shoot a lot of portraits.
    Awesome! Thanks so much for that! That was really helpful.

    Yes, the look i'm going for is similar to what you got with the gundlach radar at f4.5. Basically that incredible shallow depth of field look with a very wide angle perspective, that's otherwise unachievable on any format other than 8x10 (Or shooting 50-60 digital photographs with a telephoto lens and stitching them together). And thank you, I will definitely check him out.

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