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    Super Angulon 65mm f/8 on Crown Graphic a couple of questions

    I recently acquired a 4x5 Crown Graphic partly as a portable complement to my Linhof monorail, partly in hope to use it as a wide angle camera.

    I already own a 90/5.6 SA but would like a wider lens. I'm looking at the more affordable options in 65-75mm lenses and have some questions:

    1. Looking at flange focal distances of some of these lenses and sticking a ruler into the camera, it seems to me that most 75mm lenses would sit at or near the hinges of the rails. It leads me to think a 65mm would be simpler to use the lens would sit firmly on the inner rails and apart from dropping the bed out of view, no extra fiddling with the setup would be needed. Does this make sense?

    2. Specifically concerning the Super Angulon 65/8... I am aware of the coverage limits. But what about focussing? Is it still feasible at 65mm and f/8? My camera has the original fresnel lens setup (as far as I can tell) and I'd like to keep it that way. I can focus my 121/8 SA on the Linhof (no fresnel) but that's not nearly as wide.

    3. Is it possible to fold the camera with a 65/8 SA inside?

    thanks in advance

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    Re: Super Angulon 65mm f/8 on Crown Graphic a couple of questions

    I can only comment on the focusing issue. I found the SA 65/8 easy to focus in broad daylight. With a fresnel, it was doable in the shadows as well. Indoors, it didn't work well for me. I dumped it and went for a Nikkor 75/4.5 mostly due to the coverage limits of the 65/8. I don't regret it one bit. The Nikkor is a breeze to use; I never liked the SA 65/8 much at all.

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    Re: Super Angulon 65mm f/8 on Crown Graphic a couple of questions

    Many wide-angle lenses have flange focal lengths longer than their optical focal length. For example, Fuji's 65mm lenses have FFLs of 70-75mm. This will help you out.

    http://www.subclub.org/fujinon/byfl.htm

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    Re: Super Angulon 65mm f/8 on Crown Graphic a couple of questions

    I think your main challenge will be trying to keep the front end of the bed/rails out of the shot, even with dropping the front bed. And forget about doing a vertical shot with a 65mm Graphic or similar camera - rails galore...

    Like in the bottom middle of this 65mm shot with a Horseman 45FA...
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    Re: Super Angulon 65mm f/8 on Crown Graphic a couple of questions

    I fully agree, but with a little bit of cropping -- Heaven forbid -- you have a GREAT shot!

    And WIDE-angle lenses are great for panoramas. That's one of the reasons they are called "WIDE ANGLE".
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    Re: Super Angulon 65mm f/8 on Crown Graphic a couple of questions

    Quote Originally Posted by xkaes View Post
    I fully agree, but with a little bit of cropping -- Heaven's forbid -- you have a GREAT shot!

    And WIDE-angle lenses are great for panoramas. That's one of the reasons they are called "WIDE ANGLE".
    Yes, its an easy crop, and a 6x12 rollfilm back would work just great.

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    Re: Super Angulon 65mm f/8 on Crown Graphic a couple of questions

    4x5 Crown Graphic's minimum extension is 52.4 mm. 65/8 SA's claimed coverage is 155 mm. Flange-to-film distance is 70.5 mm. Go measure.

    Dropped be should not be in frame.

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    Re: Super Angulon 65mm f/8 on Crown Graphic a couple of questions

    Quote Originally Posted by djdister View Post
    I think your main challenge will be trying to keep the front end of the bed/rails out of the shot, even with dropping the front bed. And forget about doing a vertical shot with a 65mm Graphic or similar camera - rails galore...

    Like in the bottom middle of this 65mm shot with a Horseman 45FA...
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    The Crown Graphic has a fixed horizontal back so for a vertical frame you turn the whole camera on its side. So the bed either comes into the view or it doesn't, regardless of orientation.

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    Re: Super Angulon 65mm f/8 on Crown Graphic a couple of questions

    My first 4x5 field camera was a Crown Graphic. I was able to use a 58mm XL on it and not have the bed in the frame once the bed was dropped. So you should be fine with a 65mm. Also, the 58mm XL's FFD is 70mm, while the 65mm f/8 is 70.5mm, according to Schneider. I had no problem with my 58mm XL having to be in that problem area where the hinge of the bed is, so the 65mm would most likely be fine as well.

    I just gave a friend my 65mm f/8 to borrow and I don't have a Crown anymore, else I'd check, but I'm pretty sure I remember the above correctly.
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