Page 1 of 4 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 32

Thread: how to do the math for speed film test

  1. #1

    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Albany, NY, USA
    Posts
    60

    how to do the math for speed film test

    I am testing a film for personal film speed. Thanks to one of our forum members I have a method to follow. Since I am really bad at math and find formulas difficult, I wanted to ask how to interpret my results.

    The formula I followed said the take a reading of a grey card, filling the entire unfocused ground glass with the blurry grey image. Then I took a spot meter reading with a Pentax V and it gave an exposure of f 11 at 1/60 second. The instructions said to stop down the aperture to 45. That theoretically would be zone one.

    Then I took five shots, each at about 1/3 stop greater than the previous. I made a exposure test strip from a developed unexposed negative to get base plus fog. Then after developing and printing under controlled conditions I should find the first negative/print that varied from maximum black. That print would indicate my proper zone 1 for my film.

    Is this correct so far?

    I have done all that and found that having started with f 45 at 1/60 second, the first print that showed a difference was shot at f 18 at 1/60 second.

    So, seeing those figures, how do I determine what the true proper speed for my set up? The film I am using is Arista EDU Ultra 200 box speed.

    Thanks so much. A greatly challenged math student.
    Alexis

    Sinar F1
    Toyo 45AX
    Chamonix 45N-2
    too many others

  2. #2

    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Pacifica, CA
    Posts
    1,494

    Re: how to do the math for speed film test

    You seem to have found a speed of 32.

    I think we'll need to know more about your method because this doesn't seem right.

  3. #3

    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Albany, NY, USA
    Posts
    60

    Re: how to do the math for speed film test

    Yeah, it seems odd to me too. Perhaps I need to do the test again and make sure I have done everything exactly correctly.
    Alexis

    Sinar F1
    Toyo 45AX
    Chamonix 45N-2
    too many others

  4. #4

    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Location
    Montreal, Canada
    Posts
    364

    Re: how to do the math for speed film test

    There's a lot of "slop" in this kind of test - mostly at the printing stage where it is very hard to judge the shortest time to max black, and then visually judge the next lightest tone (you're better off printing to a middle grey tone and then looking for a tone slightly lighter). That being said, some quick things to check for as I read your post:

    1. When you do the camera part (filling the ground glass view with an unfocused image of the grey card), make sure the camera is focused to infinity for the lens used

    2. Assuming you started at f/45 and then took an additional 5 shots in 1/3 stop increments, I think you only get down to about f/25. Here's a f-stop sequence in 1/3 stops: 45, 40, 36, 32, 29, 25

  5. #5

    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Albany, NY, USA
    Posts
    60

    Re: how to do the math for speed film test

    The instructions I followed were on Barry Thornton's web site. I agree that there are some possibilities for sloppiness on my part. There is another test included in the Way Beyond Monochrome book that I think I will try. In that book there are three methods he recommends, a super easy one, one a bit more complicated and a final, really thorough test with a density meter, which I don't have. Perhaps the middle txt would be sufficient?
    Alexis

    Sinar F1
    Toyo 45AX
    Chamonix 45N-2
    too many others

  6. #6
    ic-racer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    4,770

    Re: how to do the math for speed film test

    Put the negatives over you meter. Look for the negative that drops the meter reading by 1/3 stop over base. That is your 0.1 log d zone one.

  7. #7

    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Pacifica, CA
    Posts
    1,494

    Re: how to do the math for speed film test

    Oh, you might not have developed for enough time to get the full speed of the film.

    I've got lots of ideas how you can tell if you developed long enough.

  8. #8

    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Portland, OR USA
    Posts
    696

    Re: how to do the math for speed film test

    When you photograph the gray card, you first must have your camera focused at infinity. Then fill the ground glass with the gray card. If you merely de-focus the camera, you've changed the focal length and the proper exposure.

  9. #9

    Join Date
    May 2015
    Location
    SooooCal/LA USA
    Posts
    998

    Re: how to do the math for speed film test

    In addition the the grey card, you also need to see what is happening to the extremes... For the highlight test, put a white sheet with a yellow post-em note next to the grey card... The white should be close to D-max with the density just enough to barely see through it, and the post-em note should just separate into another step if exposed/developed correctly...

    For a D-76 type developer/normal exposed film in daylight, expect a range something like this:

    If you spotmeter a scene in sunlight, place a bright white object (you want to hold detail in) and meter that... One stop under that reading should be middle grey, and two stops under that will be the safe shadow region that will hold detail well, but the 3rd stop under middle grey will record form, but no detail... Under that will be no exposure... This is about the range for a standard developer + film... If you meter for these, you will safely be within range...

    For the developing, just long enough before the D-max blocks up... This is the simplest "zone" type system you can use for normal (N) negs, and will allow you to fit the range of exposure onto most films (with standard film developers), and print easily, before other processes/steps are tried... And will work with the vast majority of normal scenes you will encounter...

    Good Luck!!!!

    Steve K

  10. #10

    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Albany, NY, USA
    Posts
    60

    Re: how to do the math for speed film test

    I truly appreciate all your great answers and advice. However, my brain doesn't think in an analytical manner and all the information is confusing to me. In the end, I suppose I just need a simple yet clear method for determining my film speed. I know there are endless variables, but I can't process all that at my present stage of learning. All of you are far advanced in this process and I am just a newbie at the technical side of things.

    Does anyone have a very simple and clear method for getting film speed? Then perhaps I can experiment and start thinking about the variables. Thank you so much!

    Alexis
    Alexis

    Sinar F1
    Toyo 45AX
    Chamonix 45N-2
    too many others

Similar Threads

  1. Film speed test.
    By knjkrock in forum Darkroom: Film, Processing & Printing
    Replies: 70
    Last Post: 5-Sep-2012, 20:46
  2. Scanning Film Speed Test/what's your favorite film testing method?
    By sully75 in forum Darkroom: Film, Processing & Printing
    Replies: 26
    Last Post: 2-Aug-2010, 12:41
  3. Film speed test question
    By coops in forum Darkroom: Film, Processing & Printing
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 23-Jul-2010, 22:21
  4. Film ISO speed test question
    By brian steinberger in forum Darkroom: Film, Processing & Printing
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 15-Sep-2005, 13:08
  5. Plotting Film Speed test
    By Kenn Gallisdorfer in forum Style & Technique
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 29-Jul-2004, 19:50

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •