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    Re: What are the film scanner options in 2017?

    I am thinking if I have the right lens the setup could be quite good, really expensive but over 20 years I can do enough scans to pay for the setup, the phase would be tethered to a workstation , probably capture one then on to storage drives.

    What I like about this is the ability to sit down at a workstation like my big scanner and work. In my past life I was a photo comp specialist which required many hours doing copy work and we used a Linhoff camera copy stand with polarized light and it was a dream to use.

    I am looking for a device that can measure LAB numbers on prints where the readout is immediate, I think this would be killer for dead nuts repro.

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    Re: What are the film scanner options in 2017?

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    For several years I had access... ...comments welcome
    Interesting read Greg - thanks.

    ...and thanks everyone else (and for the link Peter).

    I've been considering a DSLR set-up. I have a spare Leitz Diaplan that can be converted into a copy stand although I've started making plans for a set-up that will accomodate larger film size (up to 8x10) using a pro' light box, X and Y stage, and a few other odds and sods cobbled together with the aid of a lathe and milling machine.

    Otherwise, seeing little advance in flatbed scanners the last 10 years, I have been considering a drum scanner such as the ICG but only if I'm able to also do some business with it, but with people adapting DSLR's this may be a non-starter. I'm sure a properly calibrated drum scanner will produce the ultimate in quality scans, not least due to the wet mounting but I wonder how far off a decent DSLR set-up with, say, a betterscanning wet mount station properly set up, would be.

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    Re: What are the film scanner options in 2017?

    I wet mount my serious dslr and Cezanne scans, but for high max density slides, nothing beats a Tango. I wish I could afford one!
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    Re: What are the film scanner options in 2017?

    Peter,

    My D4000 and Tango produce equivalent results concerning high density slides. Using my Nikon D800E with a Micro Nikkor 105mm f/2.8D (at f/8) to "scan" 35mm, MF or LF (4 scans, stitched) is significantly better in deep shadow detail (as well as all other image parameters).

    And much faster

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    Re: What are the film scanner options in 2017?

    Seeing as how you can resolve down to the grain and beyond with a good lens on a DSLR, and the dynamic range of the newer bodies, I don't think even a drum scanner could give you better results. But like I said before, there's a process that you have to get down. I've yet to come up with a reliable stitching method. I can do 4, no problem. But 9 is sometimes dicey, and 16 almost always gives me fits to the point of being useless to attempt. That's why I still occasionally use drum scanning services. I need an automated system. I also need new tires on my car and other life expenses, so that's on hold for now.

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    Re: What are the film scanner options in 2017?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich14 View Post
    Peter,

    My D4000 and Tango produce equivalent results concerning high density slides. Using my Nikon D800E with a Micro Nikkor 105mm f/2.8D (at f/8) to "scan" 35mm, MF or LF (4 scans, stitched) is significantly better in deep shadow detail (as well as all other image parameters).

    And much faster

    Rich
    Using the DSLR, I assume one would be able to make an exposure for highlights and another for shadows and 'HDR' merge the two digital images produced to pull out all the available information from the slide.

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    Re: What are the film scanner options in 2017?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich14 View Post
    Peter,

    My D4000 and Tango produce equivalent results concerning high density slides. Using my Nikon D800E with a Micro Nikkor 105mm f/2.8D (at f/8) to "scan" 35mm, MF or LF (4 scans, stitched) is significantly better in deep shadow detail (as well as all other image parameters).

    And much faster

    Rich
    Rich,

    I am curious to see any samples you have to share. My tango can see through the velvia 50 film rebate with extended range profile with no contamination of color. I don't know how anything can be better but I would love to see what others are doing and seeing.

    I might have to try this test myself too. I do have a 5D MK II and macro lenses.

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    Re: What are the film scanner options in 2017?

    Quote Originally Posted by duff photographer View Post
    Using the DSLR, I assume one would be able to make an exposure for highlights and another for shadows and 'HDR' merge the two digital images produced to pull out all the available information from the slide.
    You can do that, and it works, but it's not usually needed. A D600/800 class camera has about 1 stop more dynamic range than an Epson scanner, as tested with a Stouffer calibrated step wedge. Some newer cameras will be even better.
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    Re: What are the film scanner options in 2017?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter De Smidt View Post
    You can do that, and it works, but it's not usually needed. A D600/800 class camera has about 1 stop more dynamic range than an Epson scanner, as tested with a Stouffer calibrated step wedge. Some newer cameras will be even better.
    Is this comparison made with Epson using Multiexposure ?

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    Re: What are the film scanner options in 2017?

    So I did a test and I am going to take a strong position and say that NO, DSLR cannot outdo a Tango for shadow detail. I took multiple photos of a severely underexposed slide using Canon 5D MKII and even exposed it so the highlight of the slide were completely blown away and still, shadow detail is no match for Tango. Tango scan was a no fuss setup and made at 2000 DPI.

    Here is a cell phone photo showing how severely this slide is underexposed compared to a properly exposed photo.



    Here are the DSLR vs. Tango comparisons and I picked the best for the DSLR out of multiple tests. Tango is literally the 1st test scan I made with auto settings and not even attempting to pull shadow detail to it's max ability.





    Unless someone is willing to post apples to apples comparison scans and show how a higher end DSLR can do more, I have a hard time believing that something can beat the PMTs and the 12 BIT Log AD convertors combo on a Tango. Its not just about the resolution or the spots of detail, the purity in the color and quality of the scan is just no match. If your Tango doesn't do this, I highly suggest having Karl tune it.

    Pali

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