Looking for xtreme wide angle lens for Full Plate film

[Steven Tribe]

Another genuine 105 degree lens is the Goerz Lynkeioskop series F. Size 0 is 120mm and it was designed for full plate.

[Greg]

Thanks for all the responses. First off Old-N-Feeble is totally right about the 5.9" F/14 R D Gray Extreme Angle Periscope lens. It certainly does have its limitations... I have an 180mm Schneider Daystar f/12.5 (pre-Angulon) optic and the Daystar far outshines the Gray Periscope. The Periscope does cover the 11x14" format with an image but the corners leave a lot to be desired. Yes I accept those limitations... I view it as vintage 1800's Bokeh. After a few test shots with the Periscope, had S K Grimes mount it in a Copal shutter strictly for convenient ease in use. Am printing Platinum/Palladium and the beauty of the process overshadows the lenses limitations for me.

Now for my search for a extreme wide angle lens for Full Plate film:

60mm or 75mm Hypergon... too rich for my pockets.
72mm SAXL: from my research on this optic, determined it just wouldn't cover Full Plate. Close though.
90mm SAXL: definitely the best bet, but cost of the the optic along with a center graduated filter from B&H Photo being $2,700, I just can't justify paying that much. Used lens & filter though a possibility.
110mm super symmar xl: Just too, too close to my 120mm WA Nikkor, Also have been offered a 115mm Caltar (Rodenstock optic) at a bargain price but again just way too close to the 120mm WA Nikkor.
Zeiss or Bausch and Lomb Protar V, Wollensak EWA F12.5 ver, Goerz WA Dagor: definitely will look into these optics.
If a 3.6 inch R D Gray Extreme Angle Periscope lens came along, would snatch it up in moment...

LAST MINUTE FOLLOW-UP: Read the post by Dan Fromm (thank you Dan) about considerating a f/14 Perigraphe Via. Well found a Berthiot Paris Perigraph 90mm f/14 Brass Lens at a bargain price,and now am anxiously awaiting its delivery. Per "A Lens Collector's Vade mecum" covers 105 degrees. As I see it, the lens probably just falls short of covering a full plate at 105 degrees, but if it illuminates 8 or 9 degrees more, I'm golden. In any case, am willing to accept its limitations. Will post results when I receive and shoot some images with the optic.

Thanks to everyone for their responses

Greg

[Jac@stafford.net]

Late to the topic, but what about a Planigon Type II, 6 inch, F 6.3? They are out there and rea$onable.

[Dan Fromm]

Late to the topic, but what about a Planigon Type II, 6 inch, F 6.3? They are out there and rea$onable.

Much longer than the OP's dream lens.

[Old-N-Feeble]

Greg... You should be able to find a very nice used 90mm SAXL for US$700-1000. Same for the 72mm SAXL... and I think the 72mm will 'illuminate' full plate to the corners but with image degradation in the corners (you'll need to verify). You should be able to find an appropriate CF for either lens in the US$300 range.

[Dan Fromm]

Greg, good luck with y'r 90/14 Perigraphe. According to my Berthiot catalogs it will cover 13x18 at small stops so it may not cover whole plate. You really want a 120, except that you already have faster 120s that will cover whole plate.

These lenses' cells are hard, possibly impossible, to put in shutter. However, the rear of the barrel will screw somewhat insecurely into the front of an Ilex #3. That's how I use the 60/14 Perigraphe I bought to use on 2x3 (format not to be discussed here). 60, 75, 90, 120, 135 and 150 mm f/14 Perigraphes' cells all fit the same barrel, # 3b. Yes, I've stuffed my 75 and 90 into an Ilex 3.

As you'd expect, because of the shutter barrel's length my little 60 suffers severe mechanical vignetting in a normal Ilex #3. The solution? Truncate the rear of the shutter, drill and tap holes in the back of the shutter housing to attach it to a board. You can read about the adaptation and see pictures of it here: http://www.galerie-photo.com/telecha...2011-03-29.pdf

Good luck, have fun,

Dan

[Bill_1856]

The actual image size difference between whole plate (nominal 6.5x8.5) and 8x10 is so small that for lens coverage specs they can be interchanged.

[Old-N-Feeble]

There's approximately two inches difference between the diagonals of full-plate and 8x10. That may not seem like much but it's actually quite substantial, IMO.

[Greg]

Yet another addendum my previous follow-up....

Got the 90mm Perigraphe lens. Absolute gem of a vintage optic in almost mint condition. Projects about a 9 inch image circle which falls just short of covering the full plate format. But new intention is to actually use it on my 11x14. The Perigraphe beautifully projects a really nice 9 inch image circle on 11x14 inch film. Years ago used a 28mm PC Nikkor mounted on a Sinar lens board in front of a Sinar Copal Shutter mounted on a Sinar 4x5 back standard. Also gave me a beautiful circular image on my 4x5 film, but way too smallish for contact printing.

So... the day after I won/bought the 90mm Perigraphe, I happened to come across some old copied notes of mine mentioning that the "105mm f/8 Fujinon SW lens covers an 11" image circle. Works great with the 4X10 format" - Source unknown. Found one for sale for around $200 on EBay and just bought it. Lens arrived better than described being in mint condition. It totally covers my Full Plate camera's ground glass. Icing on the cake is that the center graduated filter for my 120 Nikkor also screws into the front of the 105mm Fuji. And looking at the image this lens projects, honestly 105mms is as wide as I'd care to go with the Full Plate format.

Greg

[Old-N-Feeble]

Congrats, Greg.