pleasure is mind oren !

brian:

these aren't my photographs .. but from a defunct website ..

https://web.archive.org/web/20050207...ne-delmar.html

my delmar looks sort of like that ... its kind of scuffed up

and my #3+5 cyclones look sort of like this:

https://web.archive.org/web/20050207...o2magcycl.html