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    Re: Carbon inks, which ones to use?

    You use a bottom fill adapter. See: http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Mod...ll-Adapter.pdf
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    Re: Carbon inks, which ones to use?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter J. De Smidt View Post
    You use a bottom fill adapter. See: http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Mod...ll-Adapter.pdf
    I have used that adapter for filling 7600 cartrdiges, and it works like a charm. However, the 7800/7880 cartrdiges appears to have an additional valve that won't allow the adapter to penetrate?

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    Re: Carbon inks, which ones to use?

    Quote Originally Posted by sanking View Post
    Ken,

    I used the 80ml refillable cartridges from inkjet.mall with a 3800 and 3880 over a period of two or three years and did not have any trouble at all with the system.

    Product Name: Empty Refillable cartridge set for Epson 3880
    Item SKU#: RCS-3880-80-KIT9-NS

    I did have problems with pizza wheel marks with these printers and eventually decided to move to another system (larger printer with suction). But the Cone cartridge system worked great, and there is an excellent support system from the Cone staff, and Jon Cone himself.

    Sandy
    Thanks a lot Sandy ! If I can't get this resolved soon I'll try their cartridges. Customer support and expertise is very important.

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    Re: Carbon inks, which ones to use?

    When you get prints don't refer to them as "carbon prints". That is a term for the type Sandy King does, not the digital prints that use carbon inksets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie View Post
    When you get prints don't refer to them as "carbon prints". That is a term for the type Sandy King does, not the digital prints that use carbon inksets.
    You probably didn't intend to sound rude, but were merely trying to be helpful.

    Other than in post #7, the term "carbon prints" has not been used in this thread. In that post, Peter was discussing prints whose color is that of "pure carbon", as opposed to those made with inks to which additional pigments have been added.

    For the record, some Carbon printers use secondary pigments too. That's how they tone their Carbon prints. They add other pigments to the... "glop". Here is a nice example.

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    Re: Carbon inks, which ones to use?

    I certainly don't want to blur the distinction between the wonderful carbon transfer prints that Sandy makes and inkjet prints made with a carbon pigment ink set.
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    Re: Carbon inks, which ones to use?

    The carbon printing process as originally invented by Louis Poitevin was a direct printing process more like gum bichromate (and Fresson, Artigue, etc.) than what we call today carbon transfer. An important characteristic of carbon transfer is that the pigmented gelatin image is actually transferred from the original support to a final support.

    During the 1930s and 1940s three-color color carbon and carbro were the premier color printing systems in the world, even though the cyan, magenta and yellow tissues used in the assembly process used little or no "carbon" pigment.

    It is important in carbon transfer to use pigments that have good light fastness, but not so critical as in making pigment prints with inkjet printers. In carbon transfer printing the agglomerate size itself provides a fair amount of protection from fading due to exposure to light.

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    Re: Carbon inks, which ones to use?

    Quote Originally Posted by sanking View Post
    Ken,

    I used the 80ml refillable cartridges from inkjet.mall with a 3800 and 3880 over a period of two or three years and did not have any trouble at all with the system.

    Product Name: Empty Refillable cartridge set for Epson 3880
    Item SKU#: RCS-3880-80-KIT9-NS

    I did have problems with pizza wheel marks with these printers and eventually decided to move to another system (larger printer with suction). But the Cone cartridge system worked great, and there is an excellent support system from the Cone staff, and Jon Cone himself.
    Eureka - sort of.

    I started all over and installed the cartridges as if for the first time, and somehow managed to fool the printer to start working again. Not exactly a glowing recommendation.

    I think I'll give the Cone cartridge system a try (but keep using Eboni inks and my existing profiles). The stress-relief alone is worth the expense.

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    Re: Carbon inks, which ones to use?

    That's good to hear!
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    Re: Carbon inks, which ones to use?

    Quote Originally Posted by sanking View Post
    Armando,

    I would like to refill the original Epson cartrdiges of the 7800, but there seems to be some type of valve in there that needs to be removed. Have you done this? If so, could you tell me how it is done?

    Sandy
    Hi Sandy,
    I use the same cartridges in a 9800. Hold the cartridge with the valve facing up and using an awl, lift the cap from the valve and carefully remove the rubber seal, the plug and spring. Now introduce the awl in the conduct until you feel it perforates a little the end. Now reinstall everything back, spring, plug (spherical side up), rubber seal and cap.

    I would recommend to practice first with an empty cartridge. Here are couple of shots showing the tool and the parts.

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