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    Correct Distance Between Stops on a Copal 0 Press Shutter?

    Can anyone please tell me the correct distance between full f-stops on a Copal 0 Press shutter? I just bought one off e-bay and the existing aperture scale looks wonky: the stops aren't equidistant.

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    Re: Correct Distance Between Stops on a Copal 0 Press Shutter?

    Equidistant stops are a relatively recent improvement.
    Many (?most?) old shutters were not designed that way.

    I don't know whether or not that is true of the Copal Press.

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    Re: Correct Distance Between Stops on a Copal 0 Press Shutter?

    These should be equidistant, the existing marks are just badly placed, ranging from about 3 to 4.5mm between stops on the scale on the side of the shutter.

    If someone has a Copal 0 Press, could you take a quick measurement of the distance between stops on the side scale? I would be much obliged.

    Thanks, Bill

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    Re: Correct Distance Between Stops on a Copal 0 Press Shutter?

    The distance between stops should vary with different lenses.

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    Re: Correct Distance Between Stops on a Copal 0 Press Shutter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Jones View Post
    The distance between stops should vary with different lenses.
    No. Stopping down one stop decreases the aperture's area by 50%. This is independent of the lens' focal length and pupillary magnification. These two affect the f/ number with the lens wide open, after than one stop down (marked) is one stop down ...

    W-C, I just measured a Copal Press No. 0. This is an early #0 Copal Press. The full-stop tick marks are equidistant, at the rim they're 3.70 mm (subject to a little measurement error) apart.

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    Re: Correct Distance Between Stops on a Copal 0 Press Shutter?

    It would seem that older shutters were not so good on having equidistant f/stop scales:
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    compared to newer shutter assemblies:
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    Re: Correct Distance Between Stops on a Copal 0 Press Shutter?

    Dan Fromm- thank you very much for the measurement info. That is exactly what I need for an interim solution until I can send it off to SK Grimes to have proper scales engraved.

    Best regards,
    Bill

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    Re: Correct Distance Between Stops on a Copal 0 Press Shutter?

    The "Helinski" font on my label maker was just right to make 5mm-apart numbers for a Copal #1. You may be able to do something similar at 3.7mm.

    http://www.largeformatphotography.in...l=1#post285641

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    Re: Correct Distance Between Stops on a Copal 0 Press Shutter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Fromm View Post
    No. Stopping down one stop decreases the aperture's area by 50%. This is independent of the lens' focal length and pupillary magnification. These two affect the f/ number with the lens wide open, after than one stop down (marked) is one stop down ...

    W-C, I just measured a Copal Press No. 0. This is an early #0 Copal Press. The full-stop tick marks are equidistant, at the rim they're 3.70 mm (subject to a little measurement error) apart.
    The aperture scale of a wide angle lens will be compressed in comparison to a long lens on the same shutter unless the scale is linear. This is conspicuous on convertible lenses.

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    Re: Correct Distance Between Stops on a Copal 0 Press Shutter?

    Jim, get out your calipers and a convertible lens and measure the aperture's diameter at two adjacent stops for each of the two (or three) scales. You should find that the ratio of adjacent full stops diameters' step is 1.4 (lousy approximation to sqrt(2), but if the stops you choose are small your measurments will, like mine, be lousy too).

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