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    Re: What to do when you can't (or won't) pay for an early Voigtlander Petzval?

    Hi John, I always wondered what that stuff was used for ;-))
    Pete

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    Re: What to do when you can't (or won't) pay for an early Voigtlander Petzval?

    Quote Originally Posted by gandolfi View Post
    I have so many lenses and so little time (and space) so...
    Planing to sell some 8" ones?

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    Re: What to do when you can't (or won't) pay for an early Voigtlander Petzval?

    Emil, My Petzval situation is that I have a reasonable set of UK versions ( Ross CdeVs 1 -3, Ross Cabinet 3 and Dallmeyer 3B) and a largish non-cone Jamin-Darlot , but was on the look-out for either a Busch Quick-Worker or a Vienna Petzval.

    I have my own problems of space - but this is caused by too many studio camera sets rather than the bulk of lenses!
    Get in touch if you have any current students who need a studio set on the Eastern side of the country.

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    Re: What to do when you can't (or won't) pay for an early Voigtlander Petzval?

    The Waibl turned up to-day in the kind of condition I didn't deserve!

    It is different from what I expected!

    Lens mounting has very different features from French and UK contemporaries (1854). The rear pair are mounted from the rear with a screw thread and the inner glass rests on a turned brass edge. There are no GG edge pencil marks.

    Extremely fast - around F2.3. Focal length is 200mm and aperture is 85mm. Just right for the last few years of the Daguerreotype era.

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    Re: What to do when you can't (or won't) pay for an early Voigtlander Petzval?

    Another difference!

    It has a super heavy duty mounting flange which is 6mm thick. There are 2 mounting holes at the top which are threaded (M5?). There is a mark on the surface brass which shows there has extra flat section which has connected the male mounting screws.

    I can only think that this has lens has been connected to a substantial metal frame - either a magic lantern or an early type metal camera - something like the early Voigtlander metal camera, which has been made as a copy many times since the 1840's.
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    Re: What to do when you can't (or won't) pay for an early Voigtlander Petzval?

    A bit more trivia about Waibl. Useful if someone does a search on Waible in the future!

    Waibl lenses have one of two addresses engraved on the sleeves:

    Gumpendorf Schmidtgasse 108 and
    Laimgrube Hauptstrasse No. 184.

    These follow the logical (for the post-office) Town, street, house number in street.
    So Gumpendorf and Laimgrube ("clay pit") are small villages which became part of Vienna in 1850. Laimgrube is/was a very small section of Vienna, whilst Gumpendorf is somewhat larger. Hauptstrasse 184 is drawn in on a map of the area from 1830, just 50 meters from the Imperial Engineering Academy.

    Of known lenses, about 10, only 2 have the Laimgrube address. The question is: Which address is the first one? Photohistory@at suggests that Laimgrube is around 1854-57, whilst Gumpendorf is considered correct before and after this date. As Laimgrube was given up as an address by the authorities in 1850, I would guess this is the first address from the late 1840's whilst the Gumpendorf address continued until the end of Waibl as a lens maker around 1857.

    The street numbering is No. 184 in the Laimgrube address, whilst this has become more abbreviated (modern) 108 for Gumpendorf.

    Apart from Waibl, Laimgrube was home for Beethoven, Liszt and a certain notorious WW1 Corporal!

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    Re: What to do when you can't (or won't) pay for an early Voigtlander Petzval?

    Sorry to resurrect this old thread but I've also acquired a lens from Waibl and living in Vienna, actually in the same district(Gumpendorf) where he worked, I was tempted to find out more.
    Laimgrube Haupstrasse No. 184 roughly corresponds to today's Mariahilfer Strasse 18 and Schmidtgasse got renamed into Webgasse in 1862. Both are located along the same street with Laimgrube being the more noble and expensive address even back in the days.

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    Re: What to do when you can't (or won't) pay for an early Voigtlander Petzval?

    I researched the old maps of Vienna at the time and found the street layouts and house numbers!

    You may find your particular lens in the Waibl advert which is at photohistory@at. It was period when the usual sale was of a camera and a particular lens. Is it a Laimgrubbe ("claypit!") engraving?

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    Re: What to do when you can't (or won't) pay for an early Voigtlander Petzval?

    It is a Schmidtgaße one and was built without a waterhouse slot. Apparently somebody used it for landscapes and they manually cut two slots in it. I know Peter Jonas(photohistory_at) and he said that many lenses from that era have been retrofitted with waterhouse slots to be used with faster processes.

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    Re: What to do when you can't (or won't) pay for an early Voigtlander Petzval?

    It is not just Austrian (sorry austria-hungary!) lenses which have been mostly modified to WH stops, it is very common elsewhere. Thre was a sale of one on ebay some time ago where an engraving was almost lost - just a few single letters/numbers at the edge gave away what the full address (and maker) was. I don't know whether mine was born with the lens hood insert system for reducing aperture as the brass lens hood was gone. Fortunately, it is not WHS converted.

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