Ian, this forum isn't the best place to try to sell lenses that are hard to put to use.
The OP hoped to make a killing. The only way to make a killing with the lenses he asked about is to find ignorant buyers. If that's what he thought he'd find here, he's ignorant.
It seems to be standard that any new member who asks about the value of lenses is looking for someone here to buy them or is trying to find out a price for listing on eBay. I've gotten used to checking any OP's number of posts anytime the thread title mentions the value of lenses or other equipment.
Keith
Where do you find any indication that I thought people were ignorant? As my post stated, I only asked for information about what the lenses were used for. I did not ask anyone for the price of the lenses. Thats the reason I sent Dan a message in the the first place. The value of the lenses is a subjective matter. Therefore, establishing that they are not worth anything devalues them.
- for ignorant people only. And certainly not on this forum.Originally Posted by rbailey23
The above statement IMHO looks like one of those indications.
And btw I don't see anyone saying the lenses were not worth anything - neither in this thread, nor anywhere else on this forum....
You don't know where the market is geographically and you don't know where the market is in terms of prices. eBay and eBay. I don't set prices. I observe prices lenses bring at auction.A large portion of the market is on this site so I would appreciate it if you didn't go around saying they are not worth anything when I didn't ask you what they were worth.
If you think that people here will buy lenses that are hard to put to use, you're an uniformed dreamer or you think we're ignorant fools. For nearly all of us -- the exceptions have cameras with focal plane or behind-the-lens shutters, e.g., Speed Graphics and cameras with Sinar or Packard shutters, respectively -- a free Apo-Gerogon is a worse deal than a similar Sironar in shutter at market price. And I say this even though I have a nice 210/9 Apo Gerogon in the drawer that I really should try to sell.
I have to agree with Dan, an APO-Gerogon is not a very good thing to have if using it for shooting large format is the goal, as Dan says, they require machine work to go into a shutter. That means a substantial cost to pay a skilled machinist to do the work. There are several other ranges of similar process lenses such as the Konica Hexanon GRIIs, the Minolta P.Rokkors, the Staeble/Agfa/Eskofot/Helioprint Ultragons and others. None of them fit a shutter without machine work to adapt them, that is why they are worth little. For instance, 150 and 300mm Hexanons went for about 20ukp each on ebay UK last week. I have a 240mm Ultragon I bought a few weeks ago, it cost me less than 10ukp inc postage. I also have an APO-Gerogon 150mm, if memory serves me right, I paid 8ukp inc postage. The cells unscrew but the diameter is nowhere near any standard shutter, it would have to be mounted in a Compur/Copal #1 using adapter rings and it would cost many times the cost of the lens to have those adapters made, plus the cost of a shutter.
All this is why Schneider G-Clarons are so sought after - they do fit directly into standard shutters.
So Dan's original advice about check out ebay for pricing is valid. You must remember that your target market is large format shooters and LF shooters are, by and large, well-informed about process lenses, so they will only pay small sums for the ones that don't fit shutters because the cost of mounting into a shutter makes them more expensive than other lenses already in a shutter. No-on is going to pay a lot of money for an APO-Gerogon that cost a lot of money to make usable when they could buy a Symmar or Sironar in shutter for less than the cost of APO-Gerogon+shutter+machine work. I paid 30ukp for a Symmar 5.6/150 a couple of months ago, in a Synchro-Compur #1, cheap because it has one single small scratch on the rear element and people are afraid of scratches, but after thorough testing, it doesn't affect the image, same as 90% of other scratched lenses I've owned have been. So why would I spend a load of money getting my APO-Gerogon 150mm mounted in a shutter when I can buy a Symmar 150mm in shutter for much less.
This all reminds me of the TV show 'Pawn Stars' where someone comes in with something they think is worth a few thousand and Rick tells them it's worth 50 bucks because, as he is fond of saying 'just cos it's old, doesn't mean it's valuable'.
Once again. I didn't ask for the price. Yes, I ended up selling them. But it's not what I asked about.
Well, sorry for trying to be helpful. In future, try to be less deceptive, your PM to Dan was rather illuminating about your motivations.
Obviously, I will have to sell lenses that I can't use. Does that mean that I have come to this site to deceive and betray? I've been treated like a villain just for showing up here.
No you haven't, people tried to be helpful, you got snippy, now you're feeling victimised, the issue lies with you I'm afraid.
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