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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    You can clearly see the "Handle" of Richards system as he is inserting it into his Sinar, it's Blue in color which means it's a Super 8K-HS, the Super 6 is Maroon and the Super 10 is Green, non-super...
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    That is NOT a stitched Better Light file, that is a single, continuous panorama exposure, just as the Seitz shot is. It ONLY measures 3750 x 65000 (732mp) while the Seitz file likely measures 7500 x...
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    well, the adapter may be pushing it but geez, have you seen all the good deals on 4x5 equipment, cameras and lens on eBay? I picked up two Cambo Legends for $250 plus shipping and an APO Sinronar S...
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    By the way Kirk... Jim and I met back in the late 80's when I had my own Carbon Lab in Santa Cruz (Limited Edition - Photo/Graphics: he walked in hoping to find a Dye Transfer lab but liked the...
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    hmmm... while Ektachrome has a Dmax of about 4.0, implying about a 12 stop range, only about 6 of those stops are printable with detail. BL has an 11+ stop dynamic range with the better part (if not...
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    You may have to start coating your own emulsions sometime here in the next decade after all silver halide based photography is relegated to the historical processes. At least we will still have...
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    Hi Kirk... Jim

    Did you check out the links I've provided to Richard Kenwards site, Artisan-Digital-Services, in England? He post clear comparisons of BL scans and scanned film here:...
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    As an added note to the earlier comments on how BL's calculates its megapixel rating: Sigma (Foveon), Cruse and Anagramm ALL use the same industry standard that BL uses to determine their own MP...
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    You are right and by the industry standard Foveon can take it's 4.7 mega-senor chip with 3 distinct outputs from each sensor and count those as 3 pixels each, hence their 14 MP rating.

    While I'm...
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    Large Format lenses use much more glass AND cover a much larger image circle, usually to allow for swings and tilts, than small and medium format lenses. Large format lens design has been about as...
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    hmmm... the stating of technical specifications and industry standards are not simply "claims" nor do they constitute "marketing" (this forum does not permit ADVERTISING).

    I would suggest that the...
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    By the way... A Super 6 BL in Pano Mode can capture a field that measures 6000 x 65000 which by the accepted INDUSTRY standards is 1170 MP (or 390 MP by the way some here seem to prefer) and the...
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    No, Seitz could not claim a higher MP count because they don't have the MP to start with... the Dalsa chip that Seitz uses has only ONE row of sensors on it, not three like the Kodak chip. The...
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    By the way:
    Anyone can go here:
    http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=betterlight
    and see examples of all sorts of BL photography OR, in some case BL's studio and other set ups.
    Some of these images...
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    Your first point: Yes, whether you wish to consider MP, MB or the number of sensors, or the final print, BL produces a superior image, this issue has been addressed and settled a number of times over...
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    Kodak discontinued production of their 6K, 10K & 14K tri-linear sensors but not the 8K sensor (yet). Kodak also still produces a 4K & 2K sensor as well but BL doesn't use these. Kodak alerted BL well...
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    Jkuska - Doesn't Stephen Johnson uses your backs?

    Yes Stephen Johnson was one of the earliest LF (BL) digital scan back implementers and you are right, his prints are huge and beautiful.

    There...
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    Thanks guys, it was fun!

    In closing I would fall back to the position that ALL instant capture systems are interpolated UP 300% from the get go and BL files are not interpolated at all in the...
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    That's output/print resolution, not input/capture resolution; apples and oranges
    You'll also note the reference to the 48 bit file, that bit depth is generated from the 3 sensors used to capture...
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    We are back to considering whether a single point in the scene and at the imaging plane is the "definition" of a pixel or whether a single sensor at the imaging plane is a pixel and the differences...
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    It's the total sum of all of the post capture processing that "alters" and reinterprets the data, admittedly in often subtle ways, obviously the process has to be fairly good or it wouldn't be...
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    I've think I've got it... see a previous post: they do claim 3x the capability: they claim a "captured" 48 bit depth per point point in the scene for color whereas ALL Bayer patterned (instant...
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    hmm... this could point to an interesting way of looking at it. Each point on the imaging plane in a Bayer sensor has a 16 (14) bit depth (or less) original record associated with it (prior to post...
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    Interesting... I posted links to the Kodak sensors BL uses (which clearly state the 12 and 9 micron pixel size), and I posted file sizes as well, which clearly exemplify a great deal more data coming...
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    No BL is not similar to the Foveon and Foveon is produced by one source. The technology that Foveon uses is based on the fact that the different wave lengths of light (RGB) penetrate silicon to...
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    If I take one "RED" picture by itself (which I can do by simply turning off the other two channels) it will contains 48 mp. Then if I take two more pictures (a BLUE and a GREEN) which contain 48 mp...
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    File size might be a more interesting comparison, the BL Super 6 in normal mode produces a 274 MB file and in enhanced mode a 618 MB file and the Super 8 in those two modes a 488 MB and 1.1 GB...
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    That strange look is a motion artifact created by the scan, like the gentleman walking up to the podium. If you think those are strange check these out:...
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    The Japan Camera Industry Association (JCIA) established guidelines for determining the number of “effective pixels” in a digital camera that most digital camera vendors, including Better Light, use...
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    Sandy, we've emailed a little, I also used to manage Ataraxia... how's that for a name for a photo lab? Anthraxia? Anorexia? Atawhatia?

    It's been pointed out that I should disclose that I work for...
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    Well the Big Money shot is a single Super 8 capture.

    The tapestry was 6ft high and 24ft long and was shot on location in 6 tiles along it's length with a Super 8 with the camera and lights...
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    hmmm... a capture measuring 6000x8000 pixels can be sized and resized at any resolution you want with affecting or reinterpolating any of the original data, it's just become a matter of scale. So...
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    I screwed up on this one, duh! I'm dyslexic and have a distracted personality, the equations could be either 3x6000x8000 and 3x8000x10660 OR 18000x8000 and 24000x10660... typical of me, still...
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    Hi Sandy, I seldom ever printed carbon on glass, my preferred support was Melinex, the same base used by Ilford for Cibachrome. I used the single transfer method, it was challenging enough beating my...
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    The Super 8 sensor: http://www.kodak.com/global/plugins/acrobat/en/business/ISS/productsummary/Linear/KLI-8023ProductSummary.pdf

    The Super 6 sensor:...
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    Sheet film, while having a Dmax of 4.0 implying a 12 stop range, only has about a 5 or 6 stop range of printable detail, BL has an 11+ stop dynamic range with printable detail basically through out....
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    Super 6K has 18000 sensors NOT 6000, and the Super 8K has 24000 sensors NOT 8000 so the equation becomes 3x18000x8000 and 3x24000x10600 with NO interpolation, NO compression, NO anti-moire, NO anti...
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    PS... Hi Sandy... it's Jerry the carbon printer and former owner of the long defunct Limited Edition Photographics
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    It's is NOT BS, it is the industry standard and it is REAL.
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    Re: How does Better Light calculate MP count?

    72mm/6000=a 12 micon sensor size for the 6K and 72mm/8000=a 9 micron sensor size for the 8K systems. At a 1:1 repro ratio (life size on the imaging plane) with the Super 6K this equals 2116 ppi or...
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