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    Re: I am beyond disappointed.

    The trouble is that no one has defined "politics." I think some people mean the grade school level definition of liberal vs. conservative, or vote for this guy vs. that. But politics means vastly...
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    More discussion about Forum policy on politics

    Shutting down a discussion like this is just flat-out anti-intellectualism. If you refuse to even define your anti-idea policies in a way that makes sense, you're just begging for the abolition of...
  3. Thread: Ban on Politics

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    Ban on Politics

    This thread will probably be banned too, but I'm going to voice my opinion.

    To ban politics—which can be broadly understood as relationships between individuals and groups—is ultimately to ban...
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    Re: Museum Vs Conservation Mat Board

    I prefer buffered conservation board. When I've used 100% rag museum board, it's attracted little bugs. The buffered board is also somewhat cheaper. Just make sure you're not using a process that's...
  5. Re: dealing with medium format technical cameras here in the Forum

    I would agree with this, and would not be lobbying to include work with high res dslrs (which I happen to use for just about all my work now). But it seems to me that a technical camera is a kind of...
  6. Re: dealing with medium format technical cameras here in the Forum

    And in this case, what-it-is is based on what-you-call-it. "Large format" has never been a fixed definition. Once upon a time 4x5 was small format. Now we act like it's large format, as if the...
  7. Re: Feasability of selling Impossible Project 8x10 prints on the street?

    If you can think of some angle for the project that gets the public imagination involved, you might be able to get the film company to sponsor you.
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    Re: Equipment / Business insurance?

    Thanks! That's all helpful. I'll do some more research.
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    Re: Equipment / Business insurance?

    Do you know this from experience? If so, how recent and what state? I'm not doubting you, just trying to get the most accurate educated guesses. We're in the process of getting long-overdue...
  10. Thread: Robert Adams

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    Re: Robert Adams

    Drew, you don't need me to insult your intelligence, but thanks for the credit.

    But I believe it's you who ought to revisit the idea of color gamut. It isn't about subtle neutrals; it's 100% about...
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    Re: Robert Adams

    I know, Drew, your work is so special that no medium yet devised can do it justice.

    Luckily most of us have it easier. I was pleasantly surprised by how well my black and white work translated to...
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    Re: Robert Adams

    It can. The issue is that preparing an image for the web is just like printing. It requires the same understanding of color and tonal values, and the same amount of care. Which is to say, most web...
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    Re: Sweet Ruin: The Brooklyn Domino Sugar Refinery

    Thanks so much David.
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    Re: pictures that break composition rules

    Drew, we're probably not going to lock horns on this one (unless now we're locking horns over locking horns). I think it's a reasonable argument that Western abstraction is a different tradition than...
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    Re: pictures that break composition rules

    It's popular to cite Kandinsky as the originator of abstraction, but it's quite easy to argue for others, even if Mr. K was the most influential innovator of the idea. Around 1912, when he was doing...
  16. Re: New Catagory for Alternative Printmaking via various digital means

    It's worth keeping in mind that most the digital negatives people are talking about are large.

    Also many of the printing techniques people use them for are antique processes that this forum has...
  17. Re: New Catagory for Alternative Printmaking via various digital means

    It could be called the Demilitarized Zone.
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    Re: pictures that break composition rules

    This thesis would require a very shallow reading of the word 'innovation.'
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    Re: pictures that break composition rules

    Ok, so we'll all accept that YOU are the unheralded source of inspiration for Friedlander's genius. No wonder you're mad. And how tragic that your work depends on subtleties that a medium as coarse...
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    Re: pictures that break composition rules

    Show me the Sheeler images you're talking about. Or the Watkins images. I'm very familiar with their work and can't think of anything that prefigures the Friedlander esthetic under discussion.
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    Re: pictures that break composition rules

    Show some evidence. I don't think you're respecting the influence Friedlander had on all his contemporaries.

    Here are some places to start, if you want clues: Atget. Walker Evans. And F's...
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    Re: pictures that break composition rules

    I think you'll find examples this in the 19th century if you look for a little bit. At any rate, this only hints at the spatial and perspective games played by Mike Smith and Friedlander.

    FWIW,...
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    Re: pictures that break composition rules

    Then you're seeing imitations of Friedlander.
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    Re: pictures that break composition rules

    It's fun revisiting his work. Almost overwhelming. Of course you post a million of his portraits, or motel room pictures, or jazz musician magazine pics, etc. that don't play with form in any of...
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    Re: pictures that break composition rules

    He did so many different kinds of things. I think a lot of his work, on some level, was about pictures. Szarkowski described his approach as being a kind of game, to see if each picture could be put...
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    Re: pictures that break composition rules

    Well, I have.

    If you don't get Friedlander, I don't know how you can have an opinion on people who did what he did. I can't name anyone working working in the 70s (or ever) who did what he did,...
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    Re: pictures that break composition rules

    Show me an example.
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    Re: pictures that break composition rules

    Here's one that I absolutely love, from Mike Smith's "You're Note From Around Here."

    Full of crazy tensions and surprises and deliberate sabotages of traditional spacial rendering. He might even...
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    Re: pictures that break composition rules

    I'm working on a book of pictures of an abandoned factory. During the editing, I noticed pictures with at least three different esthetics: straight up architectural (which is textbook classicism);...
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    Re: pictures that break composition rules

    Sure. My impression is that the classical ideal involved a sense of balance, which may or may not have involved symmetry. Symmetry is a geometric property; balance is a subjective one. I'd...
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    Re: pictures that break composition rules

    I wouldn't even go that far. "Balance" is an esthetic value. Probably the central one of classicism. But most avant-garde movements have defined themselves in opposition to classicism, so in those...
  32. Re: Is there a plan to preserve this forum's data when it shuts down?

    There was a culinary forum full of incredibly useful information which I often used as an archive. It was owned by a guy named Fred (that's the extent of my knowledge of him). The forum vanished...
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    Re: So how do I describe this subject genre?

    Will it be part of a larger group of images? It's a lot easier to talk about genre when you've got a body work. In isolation you might as well just call it a picture of a statue.
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    Re: Does it have to say anything?

    Craft means bringing something into the physical world. You've got a thought—then you need to know the words and the grammar and how to move your lips. If you're good at all those things, you can say...
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    Re: Does it have to say anything?

    Look up "false dichotomy."

    There's no definition of art that says it has to be legal.

    And not all street art is illegal. Graffiti artists that I know always ask permission from property owners....
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    Re: Does it have to say anything?

    What a surprising and open minded opinion. Now I know who turn to for nuanced ideas about this. Or anything.
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    Re: Does it have to say anything?

    I'm not convinced. Tagging a wall with spray paint says I Am. So does peeing on a fire hydrant (at least to other dogs). Or trolling an internet forum.

    Which is not to say that these couldn't be...
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    Re: Sweet Ruin: The Brooklyn Domino Sugar Refinery

    Some great coverage in Brooklyn Magazine: Beautiful Chaos: Inside the Domino Sugar Refinery Before It All Came Down

    and Architect Magazine: A Look Inside the Former Domino Sugar Refinery
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    Re: pictures that break composition rules

    Someone would have to ridiculously pedantic, and probably from another century, to say no. Which is why calling anything like this a "rule" is just confusing.

    My dad's boss in advertising, the...
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    Re: pictures that break composition rules

    Ok, those are still pretty good rules.
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