Re: I FINALLY Understand... Bokeh & Aperture Roundness
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Originally Posted by
rdenney
What's that?
Yeh... One of those people who aren't on Apug.
Who use contemporary technology to make sometimes excellent photos and don't consider it inferior to analog.
Re: I FINALLY Understand... Bokeh & Aperture Roundness
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Originally Posted by
jp498
Yeh... One of those people who aren't on Apug.
Who use contemporary technology to make sometimes excellent photos and don't consider it inferior to analog.
Not quite, at least in my lexicon. A fauxtographer is someone who thinks buying expensive equipment and learning some jargon makes them a photographer.
Digital, analog, macht nichts as long as it's a good image.
Re: I FINALLY Understand... Bokeh & Aperture Roundness
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Originally Posted by
E. von Hoegh
Not quite, at least in my lexicon. A fauxtographer is someone who thinks buying expensive equipment and learning some jargon makes them a photographer.
Digital, analog, machs nichts as long as it's a good image.
I completely agree, but the term is also used and abused on traditional photography sites to refer to practitioners of digital photography as if it's fake photography.
Re: I FINALLY Understand... Bokeh & Aperture Roundness
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Originally Posted by
jp498
I completely agree, but the term is also used and abused on traditional photography sites to refer to practitioners of digital photography as if it's fake photography.
I know, frankly I'm tired of the digital analog which is best debate, like the vinyl/CD debate. Of course, there is the derogatory term "digitographer" used to describe pixel counters.
Edit - Yeah, some of the attitude at some of those "traditional" sites is a bit much.
Re: I FINALLY Understand... Bokeh & Aperture Roundness
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Originally Posted by
E. von Hoegh
Digital, analog, machs nichts as long as it's a good image.
E., in the depths of your great old age you're losing your German. Macht nichts.
Re: I FINALLY Understand... Bokeh & Aperture Roundness
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Dan Fromm
E., in the depths of your great old age you're losing your German. Macht nichts.
You're right- thanks. And the verfluchte "s" isn't even next to the "t" on the keyboard. Fixed.
Re: I FINALLY Understand... Bokeh & Aperture Roundness
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Originally Posted by
Oren Grad
Paul, when people here start spouting gratuitous smears of contemporary photographic art, you're at pains to explain why they should keep an open mind and consider history, context and purpose to try to understand what they're seeing. You keep hammering at that despite endless provocation. More power to you! But here, where we have a technical term of craft which also has a history, context and purpose, you're out waving the pitchfork. What gives?
Aren't I allowed to have a loud, inconsequential opinion or two?
We might also need an emoticon for tongue-firmly-planted-in-cheek.
Yes, the word bugs. Yes, I'm over it.
Re: I FINALLY Understand... Bokeh & Aperture Roundness
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Originally Posted by
paulr
Aren't I allowed to have a loud, inconsequential opinion or two?
< putting wet noodles away >
Permission granted.
But no more than two, so please choose carefully.
< emoticon for tongue-firmly-planted-in-cheek >
Re: I FINALLY Understand... Bokeh & Aperture Roundness
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Originally Posted by
Struan Gray
I haven't seen the latest and greatest. My only caveat would be that eliminating LoCa after the fact requires making assumptions about what is the subject of the photograph and what is the 'best' way to present that subject in a photograph. I often find myself disagreeing with those choices, or shooting subjects which subvert them (such as early spring brambles, which at their peak have both the standard colours of LoCa in combinations which get ruined by automatic eliminators).
I'd be curious about your impressions. It's new to me; I just started playing with Nikon's raw processor. From the way it works I believe it's a kind of deconvolution algorhithm ... in other words, it doesn't make assumptions about the detail in the image, but rather about the nature of the degradation (which it then attempts to reverse).
In the couple of images I've played with, it's worked like magic. Specific kinds of fringes disappear, and there's no evidence of any processing in the places they were.
The lateral chromatic aberration tool works by a different method. In the Nikon version there's no adjustment. you just click it on, and the software analyzes misalignment of the color channels and works its magic. I'll have more to say about it after I've played more.
I've read that the DXO software handles lens aberrations even more magically, but have yet to get my hands on it.
I don't know for sure, but it's starting to seem like this kind of software is influencing choices made by lens designers. If they don't have to worry about simple distortions and lateral color anymore, they can concentrate on other qualities that are more crucial to get right before processing.
Re: I FINALLY Understand... Bokeh & Aperture Roundness
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Originally Posted by
paulr
I don't know for sure, but it's starting to seem like this kind of software is influencing choices made by lens designers. If they don't have to worry about simple distortions and lateral color anymore, they can concentrate on other qualities that are more crucial to get right before processing.
This is exactly right. Designers of lenses for some high-end small-sensor compacts (e.g., Panasonic LX5) and mirrorless cameras (many Four Thirds lenses) are candid about the fact that they are intentionally leaving in some attributes traditionally considered image defects - notably very substantial linear distortion - and then correcting for them in the manufacturer-supplied raw converter. The corrections are increasingly being picked up by the mainstream converters like ACR as well.
I don't yet know of any cases where this has been done deliberately with an SLR lens. But there's still a cost tradeoff, and I think part of what you pay so much extra for with the latest M-Leica lenses is the attempt to suppress certain aberrations as far as possible within the lens design.