Re: Problem with tilt and swing
Hmm. I just read this discussion from the beginning, noticed that no one has suggested that the OP buy and read a book on, um, view camera technique. OP, the two books most commonly suggested to beginners here are Steve Simmons' Understanding the View Camera and Leslie Strobel's View Camera Technique. Both are offered at reasonable prices by sellers on, in alphabetical order, abebooks.com, alibris.com, amazon.com, ... People rarely mention it here but Berenice Abbott's chapter in the first edition of Graphic Graflex Photography is clear and helpful.
Re: Problem with tilt and swing
There are lots of great resources on the web, also.
I assumed that the OP had already sought advice from published sources & needed a different point of view to clarify.
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Re: Problem with tilt and swing
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mdarnton
No one has commented on this yet, so obvious to us, but maybe not to the OP, so I will. You do not swing the front to more or less parallel to the subject. The swing you will need is considerably less than this. The direction is *towards* parallel, but only a couple of degrees.
This begs the question... does moving the rear standard react differently than moving the front? Would there be a parallel relationship there?
My problem with using a swing to completely solve this situation is that you will throw the foreground on the one side even more out of focus & risk making the photo look uneven to the viewer.
I would urge the OP to consider camera repositioning & use of depth of field to minimize the degree of swing. Unless it works toward the effect you're seeking to emphasize. Just something to consider.
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loonatic45414
This begs the question... does moving the rear standard react differently than moving the front? Would there be a parallel relationship there?
My problem with using a swing to completely solve this situation is that you will throw the foreground on the one side even more out of focus & risk making the photo look uneven to the viewer.
I would urge the OP to consider camera repositioning & use of depth of field to minimize the degree of swing. Unless it works toward the effect you're seeking to emphasize. Just something to consider.
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No, both the front and the rear do the same thing. But when you do the movements on the back it changes the image shape. When you do them on the front it does not change the shape. By them I mean tilts and swings, not parallel shifts.
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Something else to add here is to learn to understand the physics of optical focusing...
If one focuses a (normally longer) lens on a camera, telescope etc, true focus will be a fairly thin flat plane with the lens wide open... Tilts & swings will tilt that flat plane, but that plane will still be quite thin... But by stopping down, that flat plane of focus starts turning into a wedge shape with the apex end closer to the camera, and the higher part of the wedge expanding further away from the lens, and that expands the smaller the f stop... So your mission is to have a working understanding of how to form these wedges, and deal with the curious phenomena that what is inside that wedge will be in better focus, and if anything sticks out of that area, the focus will fall off quickly...
I have suggested to beginners that that an axis tilt monorail is a good starter camera, because you can directly view the effects of movements on the GG without major refocusing every time, but later graduate to a technical or field camera once one thoroughly understands what the movements are doing, as the movements are possible with those cameras, but one has to basically set the camera movements from memory, and fine tune later, so a considerable amount of practice is required...
A few afternoons in a backyard or doing tabletop sets just practicing focusing will bring someone a long way towards understanding what works (and how) during focusing...
Steve K
Re: Problem with tilt and swing
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ndwgolf
Fantastic......I will try that today thanks
Cool. Let us know how it works out.
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loonatic45414
If the simple act of focusing a camera still eludes you, get a digital camera & save yourself the trouble of trying to learn photography.
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Focusing doesn't elude me: understanding your contradictory statements does.
Your snide, unearned erodite attitude does you no favours....
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Here I thought it was earned. Sorry old chap. Now how about a spot of tea & we can discuss this apparatus of curious origin over crumpets & maybe a serving of spotted dick? Please send the queen my best wishes.
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You began the snide remarks, so own it.
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Actually, I didn't. I didn't begin it, I didn't engage in it. My posts have my real name on them and they are in chronological order. I question why insulting somebody asking for basic help is necessary.
Re: Problem with tilt and swing
When others here talk about "it only takes a little: ..." In a photo like this, I'm guessing that I would swing the front maybe 1/8 of an inch (I think that's 3 mm?), no more, maybe less. If I was tilting on my old Toyo, it's about the smallest I can tilt without using both hands (swing is easy).