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Mistake: new rule about FS comments
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I think this is a mistake. Is this no longer a community? Doesn't it mean something to be in a community? Is commerce so sacred here that we dare not say anything on a for sale thread lest our post get deleted for being "negative"?
To my mind commerce is not the central, near holy objective of this board. It should not receive such special protection.
Imagine the strange social structure this requires. A few people are walking through the market. They share a common interest in photography--in fact that is what brings them together. One sees an item that interests him. He's new at photography and doesn't realize that $500 is too much for a Calumet C400. But no one says a word lest they "interfere with the sale." Is "the sale" that sacred?
I welcome comments on my for sale threads. i want all of my buyers to know they are getting what they need, and getting a fair deal. No "buyer beware" on my threads. If someone makes an unfair comment about one of my items I will--gasp!--counter their argument with evidence to support my side. Or realize I made a mistake. That's how adults play. Except on all those other sites that suck.
--Darin
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Prohibiting only negative comments is counter-productive.
It implies a positive endorsement of the sale which is not valid by allowing only positive comments.
If they choose to prohibit comments, they should prohibit all, whether positive, negative, or neutral.
- Leigh
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I'm kind of with Darin on this one. I have posted things for sale recently that I thought I had a handle on price, condition and even exactly what the item/s were. I have been nudged to adjust prices here and there due to folks chiming in and explaining what their rationale was. I am OK with that, and so far it has been productive for all parties.
I have not been forced to sell items at prices lower than I thought were acceptable, in fact one camera is still for sale b/c I feel the value in the package is higher than what others have indicated. Am I right? Maybe...maybe not. Time and a potential buyer (or lack thereof) will tell.
I say leave it well-enough alone.
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I have been screwed in a small way more than once on the FS section. The question is do the moderators decide what goes or the local thugs. I think the moderators are the best bet, they tend to not be heavy handed. It gives them the power to remove objectionable posts if required to maintain a fair exchange and should not stop people pointing out fair and reasonable deficiencies in descriptions and pricing, after all, worst that can happen is your post will be deleted. They should not police the FS section, only the fairness of the discourse and then only as a last resort. Fact is it is available for anyone, to be used but not abused. One hopes that people value a reputation for fairness and honesty more than money, but people will push the limits, one hopes that it can still be dealt with openly.
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I have had to restrain my fingers many times..LOL! And sometimes the item does sell, much to my surprise (and showing how much I actually know about pricing!)
I suppose, Darin, you can add "All comments welcome" to any of your sale posts. But in the end, the lack of anyone buying an item will tell the seller more than our words will. And one can always send a friendly PM if one can not keep one's beak out of a sale...it does not have to be public whipping even on a public forum...
Vaughn
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Darin i agree with you... and i have sold some of my stuff here. I did not visit here to sell; i know i am under the scrutiny of many savy photographers. I would not get more than its worth or take advantage of any person i sell to. Keeping in mind; "the least i will take and most you will give is the worth of any product or service". If for any reason any person who has bought from me are not satisfied with what they got from me, i want to here about it. You dont have to be rude or obnoxious but opinion is why we are here ( photo opinions ) i mean. If i was advertising something that another member did not agree on the price i would like to hear about it. I can justify (KEH or Ebay) the prices i ask for any given product i sell. The one thing that would be hard to tolerate would be a member cutting in with a person on a sale or a buyer. example (i have that lens for sale for 50 bucks cheaper)... now that would be rude to post. I am not here on the board to sell stuff i do this on Ebay and the local flea market... besides my photos make me more money than sellin stuff here. I sell stuff here that would be of interest to the group community. Makes me feel like i am contributing to profession and to the group here. I really dont mind someones opinion on price or product while here. As long as a esprit decorum is maintained. < look it up if you have to...... I consider everyone on this board as a friend and if they want to say something...
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Then again we are in someone else's sand box
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In Ken's announcement of this new rule, he has made it a closed post so no responses seem possible. I have sent him a direct personal message with my feelings against this decision and I suggest that others who agree, do the same, as well as responding in this open forum. As a frequent seller who firmly welcomes all comments either negative or positive, I feel that this is a serious breach in our ability to add to the discussion about items being offered. Yes there may be some members who might abuse the privilege with bitchiness rather than constructive criticism (I too have been victimized in that way), but I have a thick enough skin to weather that storm with ease and to be VERY welcoming of someone who might point out an error in my information (which has also certainly happened a time or two). Just because a handful of commentors may have been raised without the benefits or learning courtesy, it is dead wrong to eliminate all of the helpful critics who may offer a legitimate assist by pointing out errors. Ken, please seriously reconsider this poor call. This is a poor place to let political correctness rear its ugly and misplaced head!
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But it is not a Mistake - it's a good idea!
Ken is right, people should not post negatives in the For Sale section as a rule because you can not enforce who is going to make an intelligent, worthwhile comment and who is going to say something stupid.
Like the guy trying to sell the 8x10 Gowlandflex for $8K a couple of weeks ago - we all could have told him he was nuts but it's not our business. Obviously if it's an ad for Nigerian time shares then it's fun to pile on, but say you were trying to sell a Sinar and some bozo comes on talking about how heavy they are or something negative like that? Their flip remark ruins your sale - that's not fair at all.
It's a lot better to promote the good sales with, "Hey this would make a great beginner's outfit" or "Good Luck" and be quiet about the bad deals. If you see a friend about to make a mistake just send them a private message.
I know you guys have good intent but if they allow negative comments there will still have to be moderator involvement and attention - this would only open up a subjective, arbitrary quagmire for the moderators.
People here are adults, they agree that these sales are at their own risk and they need to do their homework. I've gotten screwed a few times too but overall it works very well as it is. Besides I haven't seen that many really awful deals, just people who price stuff too high. Their lack of sales is all the feedback they need.
Really how many $500 Calumet Coathangers have been sold here so far? Who has overpaid for anything lately? It's more likely the other problem, really nice cameras lingering even at modest prices.
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I don't agree with the rule. Either make it to where you cannot put any reply on the for sale post or allow any comment whatsoever. Who are we trying to protect exactly with this new rule?
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If you want it, buy it. If you don't want it, then mind your own business; it's nothing to do with you.
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I agree wholeheartedly with Darin, for exactly the reasons he gives.
We are supposedly all adults, and I can see the value of the "quit whining and do your homework" attitude, but this is where I come to do that very homework, precisely because a community consensus is allowed to emerge. A blanket 'no-criticism' rule just lets the hit-n-run scammers dominate things. Sometimes, childish wags are our best defense.
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I Think I'm for the free speech crowd. I tend to be a buyer, not a seller, and if someone wants to trash something I'm thinking of buying, I'd like to hear their opinion. I do my own research as well, and anyone who has been around a while knows whose opinion is worth something, and whose not.
Frank's comments are funny. Either ironic or facetious, as he ruined many a sellers chances the other day with his flippant "20% off for this and 50% off for that" post. I enjoyed it though, and will use it in my arguments to beat down sellers. "Frank said its only worth...
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I'm with the free speech crowd too. Or possibly no comments allowed whatsoever only PMs. Anything in between isn't going to work. Positive comments only can also be abused and then we can't correct a false positive comment 'cause that would be negative ...
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Rules are for breaking, that's why we have them in life. Perhaps the wording of this one is quite subtle as it says "refrain" rather than that negative comments are disallowed.
Ian
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Leigh
If they choose to prohibit comments, they should prohibit all, whether positive, negative, or neutral.
Well, if it is a community, comments should be allowed, regardless of general tendency. Cases where some commenter is stalking a seller for personal reasons or similar abuse is taking place tend to be pretty obvious, and can be dealt with by moderator intervention - there isn't really a need to restrict commenting just for that.
Banning comments works out to the advantage of experienced high price sellers and to the disadvantage of beginners, as it effectively prohibits community price building. This is common and perhaps inevitable on sites that operate their classifieds section for profit, but as far as known we are none of them. And even though the long time participants will mostly have grown somewhat into bargain hunters and profitable sellers, it should not really be the objective of our community to be partial in favour of them - in the long term we'll be harming large format photography if we benefit old collectors more than young photographers!
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So when someone wants to sell their $2000 Master Technika and somebody comes along and posts that it is only worth $1500 to them and that one sold on eBay last week for $1475, etc. but the seller still wants $2000 for their camera, and can wait a few weeks until the right buyer comes along, these negative comments would make it much more difficult for them to maintain their price. At least in an auction the buyer sets the price - in your proposed Utopian community the uninvolved (but benevolent and wise!) mob set the prices for you.
Of course the community must know better than you do... ?
What's to stop people from beating sellers into lower prices as a matter of course? After a learning period, won't it be human nature to post a few "the price should be lower" comments and then swoop in?
And aren't you guys complaining about a non-issue? I haven't seen anyone overpay here in years, can you point to a single example of a sale where you think some poor newbie got taken advantage of?
Sorry for venturing into politics but this is the essence of self-determination. I really don't think the mob or a committee or any group of photographers knows what is best for me. And it sounds like a lot of you have a higher opinion of how humans behave, especially in groups.
I wouldn't sell under those conditions, an eBay auction would be fairer. I don't have much to swap anyway so it's a non-issue personally but I think allowing negative comments is going to put a damper on what has been a pretty successful status-quo where there has been very little, if any, abuse.
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This forum is my most treasured source of online photographic information. Just as freedom of the press is the foundation of democracy, the freedom to post inteliigent, constructive, but occasionally negative comments make the site strong. Not all comments have been nice, but even the quibbling occasionally has value. The few who abuse this will soon be hoist with their own petard.
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Sorry, Ken, for sending my comment via PM when I could have posted here instead. I sent the PM before seeing this thread.
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Lachlan 717
If you want it, buy it. If you don't want it, then mind your own business; it's nothing to do with you.
This is basically my belief too! And that goes for "constructive comments" on FS postings also. People should start their own thread if they want to chat about a particular type of camera. What frosts my b@ll$ are the "bump for a nice seller" types of postings. WTF?
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Generally speaking, we don't like "rules". Thus, if a rule exists, it's a good indicator that there have been too many cases of individuals going overboard with something. But, to keep moderation fair and even-handed, we also use the Guidelines as the basis for moderation. It gives us something to point to when individual behavior goes astray. This avoids the "But, where does it say I can't do that?" problem. We also try to be fairly precise in how we word items in the Guidelines, so our intent is properly reflected, while retaining an appropriate amount of "wiggle room" for rational moderation.
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I've had sales fouled by negative comments. I had one lens listed, the lens happened to have a tiny pin-sized coating mark (which was clearly disclosed in the ad). Some busy-body made some comment like "you want that much for a lens with a coating mark?". He basically made my ad useless so I deleted it and sold the lens on ebay for more than I was asking here!
But on the other hand, there are some ads where the seller isn't sure what he or she has (and since prices are mandatory, who wouldn't aim high?). Some may even be misleading due to a wrong model number, etc. So when, for example, someone chimes in to say something isn't what it's being presented as, that can be helpful, especially to less-experienced buyers. I do think that simple "your price is too high" comments are useless and rude.
In some cases there may be a fine line between helpful informational posts and less helpful judgements on pricing. So even though I've been burned by these types of comments, I think that it is a mistake to limit them.
Considering that I've had worse experiences buying stuff here than on ebay, I'll probably stop using the B&S forum anyway. But I think this rule goes too far.
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Why not use PM for comments... for both positive and negative, then let the seller decide how to adapt his sales and marketing effort? Seems both simple and polite.
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The only time I respond to for-sale ads is to explain something the seller has not explained, that might be misleading to the newer members of the forum. A recent example was explaining that a Sinaron-S, which included APO in the title, is an APO-Sironar-N, not the APO-Sironar-S hinted by a mis-typed dimension in the title (which the moderators corrected after it came out). A Sironar-N is a superb lens, but the S has more coverage and attracts a higher price, so a mistake there is mislead, certainly not intentionally so by the seller. I did mention that the distinction should affect the price, though I didn't say how much--let the seller figure that out based on market response. There is no shortage of pricing information on the internet and people who buy common items in ignorance get what they get with no sympathy from me.
I will also describe items that are not that common but where I have specific knowledge the seller doesn't, in order to help build the market. This happens mostly with the ex-Communist stuff that I have studied for a number of years. There are lots of things out there that people come by and want to sell that have special qualities unknown to them but that might be also unknown to someone who might prize that particular quality.
And there have been times when I chuckled to myself. But if the product was fairly represented, then buyers can do their own research.
I think my approach is consistent with the new rule. But if I run astray and a post gets deleted, then I'll adjust to the new boundary.
Rick "who has paid high prices at times for something valuable to me beyond what it might be to others" Denney
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What a great price. If I did not already have five of these I would be all over this.
I can't believe this hasn't sold yet.
This is a steal.
"Anonamus" is a friend and I highly recommend you buy from him.
These sorts of gratuitous meaningless positive comments drive me crazy.
If you are going to ban one kind of comment you should ban both.
To allow only positive comments is to favour the selling member who has the best spin with the buying member having no spin.
Puts me in mind of the thread in which Fluidrive sold his 14 inch Pinkham
One post creating mild suspicion: another with mild personal support; neither really pertinent.
The recent post for a home made camera demonstrated poor judgement with a inapropriate negative comment which was quickly corrected by other members followed by a reconciliation.
I think the new policy is an over reaction to this recent thread.
But there has been value in the past to negative comments which have driven VERY poor sellers away or readjusted new sellers to the true value of some item (say for example an enlarger).
It is never a good idea to adjust policy to try to avoid the extreme outliers as society's past adoption of zero tolerance policies have demonstrated
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Sorry to have offended you with positive comments. When I do leave them I mean them as genuine and am trying to be helpful. Seems better than "bump" every hour as some people do.
What's on General Hospital today? I have to go to the doctor and then visit the priest later. Then go get my hair dyed blue. Obviously we're a bunch of old ladies here.
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Frank Petronio
So when someone wants to sell their $2000 Master Technika and somebody comes along and posts that it is only worth $1500 to them and that one sold on eBay last week for $1475, etc. but the seller still wants $2000 for their camera, and can wait a few weeks until the right buyer comes along, these negative comments would make it much more difficult for them to maintain their price.
Why would it? The fact that there are competing auctions starting at $1 and fixed price sellers selling at $1500 won't make your $2000 offer on ebay impossible to maintain either - and these are firm material competition rather than a mere third party opinion backed up by no offer.
Besides, I don't think I've ever come across anybody using the comment function to talk down a realistically priced camera or lens below market value - so the above isn't really a issue.
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What about if we get ripped off as I recently did on a lens purchase? May I respond in a public post after the sale or would that be considered 'rude'?
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OK Sevo, say you're trying to sell your Schneider lens for 300x, which is what you have invested in it and is a reasonable price.
Some random person comments that they just bought the same lens for 150x. They don't have to substantiate their statement, it may have been an anomalous price, it could be your ex-wife's boyfriend, who knows?
Do you really expect someone to come along afterwards and offer you 300x?
Negative comments depress prices. That may be nice for buyers, but what about photographers who need to sell an item to pay for their next camera? And if prices on this forum become artificially depressed, how long before predatory speculators descend?
I think it's like a lot of legislation - good intentions but unintended consequences. But I guess I am talking to the wall here. Slam away!!!
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Noah A
What about if we get ripped off as I recently did on a lens purchase? May I respond in a public post after the sale or would that be considered 'rude'?
That is a separate matter. Loosely coupled, but separate. Did any of the moderators intrude in that thread ?
The spirit of this rule is fairly obvious and straightforward. As always, 99.9% of forum members will use good judgement and rarely create any turbulence. For the few with poor social skills, we have rules.
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Frank Petronio
So when someone wants to sell their $2000 Master Technika and somebody comes along and posts that it is only worth $1500 to them and that one sold on eBay last week for $1475, etc. but the seller still wants $2000 for their camera, and can wait a few weeks until the right buyer comes along, these negative comments would make it much more difficult for them to maintain their price. At least in an auction the buyer sets the price - in your proposed Utopian community the uninvolved (but benevolent and wise!) mob set the prices for you.
But what happens when that so-called Master Technika is really a modified Tech IV? Would pointing out that it's not a Master be considered a "negative" post and therefore be banned? I agree with you that it's annoying when people second-guess your price. But if a post actually adds valuable information that was missing (or wrong) in the ad, then it may be a service to the community.
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For whatever it's worth, I agree with the OP. The community tends to be self-regulating. I find FS comment posts enlightening for the most part (except for the "bump" posts)... either by clarifying equipment identification and features, or by identifying people I can ignore later. Either way, I win.
This new rule changes that.
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No one can deny the education we all received when a certain lens that had been cracked all the way through on the front element was sold here recently. For some it was very enlightening, for others it was a blood-bath. For the OP it was great publicity and he ended up selling his lens. I look at that as a win-win-win. All parties got something out of it.
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Ken Lee
That is a separate matter. Loosely coupled, but separate. Did any of the moderators intrude in that thread ?
The spirit of this rule is fairly obvious and straightforward. As always, 99.9% of forum members will use good judgement and rarely create any turbulence. For the few with poor social skills, we have rules.
I haven't made any such post yet but it was a sincere question as I may want to make a public post on the sale thread once the paypal claim is resolved.
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Noah A
But what happens when that so-called Master Technika is really a modified Tech IV? Would pointing out that it's not a Master be considered a "negative" post and therefore be banned? I agree with you that it's annoying when people second-guess your price. But if a post actually adds valuable information that was missing (or wrong) in the ad, then it may be a service to the community.
I'm not a moderator but that seems a place for them to make a logical call. There is a difference between stating a fact (That is a jerk trying to sell a Tech IV for a lot of money, like that red one a while ago) and stating an opinion.
Obviously you have to call out the Nigerian Oil Schemes and cell phone sales.
I got hosed on another forum's for sale and called the guy out. He defended himself with lies, which confused the issue but at least his future buyers will be more careful. Perhaps a feedback system is in order?
But, overall, I bet this Buy and Sell Section works better than most others and I don't see how "adding" negatives would be positive.
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While we're at it, could we ban "PM sent"? That's like a dog pissing on a rock.
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Almost all of us know - without instruction - when a comment crosses the line.
When that happens, there is now a guideline which can be cited.
Moderators remove only a small fraction of postings, and we can all expect that pattern to continue.
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Frank Petronio
I'm not a moderator but that seems a place for them to make a logical call. There is a difference between stating a fact (That is a jerk trying to sell a Tech IV for a lot of money, like that red one a while ago) and stating an opinion.
I doubt that the moderators would like to assume any responsibility for the accurate description of the merchandise peddled in the FS section.
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Sevo
I doubt that the moderators would like to assume any responsibility for the accurate description of the merchandise peddled in the FS section.
And we'd be better served by self-proclaimed experts stating their opinions as facts?
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Frank Petronio
Sorry to have offended you with positive comments. When I do leave them I mean them as genuine and am trying to be helpful. Seems better than "bump" every hour as some people do.
What's on General Hospital today? I have to go to the doctor and then visit the priest later. Then go get my hair dyed blue. Obviously we're a bunch of old ladies here.
Actually your posts are usually helpful with real pertinent information, however positioning the opposing point of view as old and female does not make you young and virile.
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I don't agree. When someone is selling a lens for $800 that normally sells online for $300...prospective buyers should be informed of such. That's not rude....it's saving someone from making a mistake.
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Seems to me that since this is a private forum, the moderators can make any rule they please. Having a heated argument about the intelligence of one of their decisions could possibly have an effect none of us would like. Does anyone want the FS section removed completely? I do not.
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Michael Graves
I do not.
I do not either. I've bought some cool stuff from forum members, and hope to sell a few of my cool things in the near future. I might start a "What price should I put on these items" thread and see how that goes. :D
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Frank Petronio
And we'd be better served by self-proclaimed experts stating their opinions as facts?
Where did I demand a panel of self-proclaimed experts? So far, open discussions among our generally knowledgeable and benevolent lot did fare pretty well at arriving at something at least very close to the facts. The smaller pool of moderators probably won't do much better on average, and would indeed be more likely to trip up on items that need highly specialized knowledge (e.g. of 19th century European gear of local distribution - have we even a single European moderator?).
In any case, and all personal preferences aside, the moderators should proceed very carefully (and perhaps even ask for legal advice in the state the site nominally operates from) regarding moderated marketplaces - these things can be set up safe for the mods, but you can also trip up and make them personally responsible for the trades. The past, unmoderated state at any rate kept them out of all obligations.
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cowanw
Actually your posts are usually helpful with real pertinent information, however positioning the opposing point of view as old and female does not make you young and virile.
Sorry, point taken. My virility is but a hazy memory anyway.
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I think it would be wiser to PM someone if they are mistaken in their pricing or description than to put a public post telling them how wrong they are about what they have.
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David Luttmann
I don't agree. When someone is selling a lens for $800 that normally sells online for $300...prospective buyers should be informed of such. That's not rude....it's saving someone from making a mistake.
The temptation is believing that we each have a responsibility to save prospective buyers from making mistakes, and that is, I think, the source of a lot of the issues that emerge.
In fact, I do not believe that we have such an obligation. And often, the people doing so are as likely to be mistaken as the seller about the value of something. The price of something can vary quite a bit based on all manner of conditions that may or may not make the "comparables" comparable. Price is not some immutable law, but a simple agreement between an uncoerced buyer and seller.
Supposing the price of large-format stuff starts to rise? Is it our job to inhibit that? Do we even want to? (Most of us own more than we are likely to want to buy already.) Somebody in a hurry should expect to pay more than a person who is patiently waiting for the correct price. And the seller may not need to sell something quickly. The market--and this market is quite open--should take care of that. The person who offers a $300 lens for $800 probably will have a lack of response as the statement on the price. It would have to be a willfully ignorant buyer to overspend that much if the price is really out of line. "Wilful ignorance" is the inability to perform a simple search of the for-sale ads here, at KEH, and on eBay, to determine what is a ball-park for similar items.
Sometimes, a willfully ignorant seller provides me a good deal. That happens quite often though I'm not usually the beneficiary. Many quite experienced sellers on this forum have offered stuff that sold within minutes--a sure sign that their price was too low. Occasionally, I've been the willfully ignorant buyer, but maybe I was in a real hurry in those cases. I'm glad in both cases someone didn't feel it was their obligation to impede the deal.
If someone starts a thread on the equipment forum that asks what the going rate ought to be for a given lens, then we can provide an abundance of opinions. And if someone is misrepresenting a product, providing the correct description is a service, as long as it is done so correctly. Often as not, though, even that starts an argument among experts as to what something really is.
Rick "who would never post an item for sale after cocktail hour, heh" Denney
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I believe it is appropriate. I don't think its called the Whats your opinion of what I'm selling category.
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Jim Jones
This forum is my most treasured source of online photographic information. Just as freedom of the press is the foundation of democracy, the freedom to post inteliigent, constructive, but occasionally negative comments make the site strong. Not all comments have been nice, but even the quibbling occasionally has value. The few who abuse this will soon be hoist with their own petard.
What we really need is respect and consideration for the others that would be reading or posting. Sorry jim There is not even close to freedom of democracy here. This a private board and we are invited guests. But it would behove the owners of this board to give a wide latitude in the conversation here. That is what makes this board interesting. If we do not limit our conversation to respectful comments on photo issues, I guarantee chaos would ensue.
"Opinions are like assh**les ..everybody has one and everybody believes that everyone has a right to ("their") opinions". < worded very carefully
Where else could a conservative person exchange ideas with anarchist about photography.