Lens advise for Grand Circle Tour

[goodfood]

Will stay 8 days at Vegas, Zion Canyon, Bryce Canyon, Canyonlands, Arches, Monument Vally, Horseshoe Band, Lake Powell, Antelope, Grand Canyon. Will bring light weight 4X5 woodfield. I have 65, 75, 90, 135, 150, 180, 210, etc. I don't want to bring too much lens and want limited to two, max three lenses. I never go there before and hope to get advise for those been there. I also bring alone with Olympus E-1 digital system.
Thanks, Kan

[evan clarke]

90, 150, 210

[Vaughn]

Perhaps 90-180-240, just for the wider vistas of the SW?

[rdenney]

I'm a wide freak, especially when I can get close to formations to exaggerate perspective. I would bring a 65, a 90, and my longest lens.

But working fast from the car and not so close, I would bring a 90, a 120/121, and my longest lens. The 135 in your list would work for that middle size.

My longest lens for 4x5 is 12", so at twice normal it's not really all that long. But bring something like that--you'll use it.

Rick "who has spent happy weeks in these areas on foot with a 35mm camera and an 18-28 zoom, or a 24 prime, or a 45 prime on 6x6 format" Denney

[Peter York]

Bring the 65 or 75 in addition to a "normal" 3 lens kit.

[Heroique]

I’m going to [t, u, v, w, x, y, and z] for 8 days – which 2 or 3 lenses [I have a, b, c, d, e, f, g] should I bring?

My apologies, but I just have to add a little more sarcasm in the interest of good, clean fun :D, so here’s more specific advice: Antelope Canyon has no shots for a 150 or 210, but any of your other lenses – in that particular canyon, mind you – will work. Also, be aware that Lake Powell (and Bryce) work w/ no lenses except the 75 and 90, so be sure to bring them if those two places are among your favorite destinations. Finally, I don’t see any place you’ve listed that will work very well w/ the 135 (and probably not the 65 either), so you can feel safe about eliminating those lenses from your consideration altogether. (However, if you can squeeze Grand Gulch into your itinerary, the 135 would become a “must have” lens.)

Final note: Can you rent a 300? That’s really the only vital lens to have for Horseshoe Bend.

Now, on to film choices, and let’s not forget the correct tripod...

[Vaughn]

IDK -- I found one spot down in Bryce Canyon that a 135mm may work.

But at least I know why my photos in Antelope Canyon back in 1985 did not work -- I was using my 150mm on the 4x5...what an idiot I am! :)

[goodfood]

Thanks all for the warm reply. When I buy my 65mm SA, I want to use for the Horseshoe Band, but I don't have center filter. For my 75mm Nikon, I can use without center filter. I'm a wide angle person, so I hope to bring 75mm and 90mm SA. The last one still not make yet. My 210mm f/5.6 is quite heavy, the 150mm and 180mm are lighter, 65mm may be too wide. I still have a few boxes of Fuji RVP 50 quickload to use. Sure I will bring lupe,tripod and dark cloth Too.

[Boinzo]

I'm at the Grand Canyon and off into Vegas tomorrow to complete the Grand Circle. In Australia where I am from I shoot mostly very wide..58 and 75. I bought my 58, 75, 150 and 300 on this trip. Of the 160 frames I shot only about 3 were the 58, all in Zion. The 75 got a good look in. The 150 (which I never use at home and nearly didn't bring) has had the most use followed not far behind by the 300 I bought specially for the trip. I missed my 90.
I disagree with the advise on the 150 for Antelope Canyon. I was there yesterday. It was a zoo. Easily the most intense photographic experience I have ever had. My photo guide was amazing holding back about 200 people at a time while Velvia reciprocity smashed me to a 2 minute exposure! :) I shot the 150 a lot because it let me isolate some detail and keep the tourists out of frame. It's very weird throwing away the idea of a level camera and going off reservation. I started on the 75 but it was just too wide to deal with it. In an empty canyon wide would be great. But that is never gonna happen.
The 150 has been the real workhorse here. At Bryce I found the 75 too wide and the 150 to long. I wished I'd had my 90 but my backpack is already 15kg!
The 75 and 58 were fantastic at Zion in the narrows.
I didn't shoot much at Arches - the sky was overcast and the place is a zoo. So much traffic and everything had people all over it. I did hike up nearby Negro Bill Canyon and shoot the 75 in there.
Also Fisher Towers with the 150/300 was great for sunset if you can't face 1000 people at Delicate Arch.

[goodfood]

Boinzo, thanks for your advise, and enjoy your trip. I will start my journey on 09 Oct, next Tuesday. Hope to have good weather :)

[mike rosenlof]

I naturally gravitate toward longer lenses, so keep that in mind. It's just the way I see things.

I have backpacked into the grand canyon a couple of times. Last time I carried a TLR (mamiya), tripod, and a couple of lenses. I used the 135mm the most. I guess translating to 4x5, that would be about like a 210, more or less.

Get below the rim at the Canyon, if you can. Even if you just take the Bright Angel trail to the 1.5 mile rest house, or the South Kaibab trail to its first really big viewpoint, "Ohh Ahh Point", or some similar name. I have found the GC hard to photograph well, and have seen few truly compelling photos of the canyon. The grandness of it is difficult to capture. It tends to be hazy there. As usual, sunrise and sunset have interesting happenings with the light.

[jeroldharter]

90, 150, 210

ditto. but it would by nice to sneak a 300mm Nikkor in there...

[Boinzo]

I just hiked South Kailaib down to Cedar Ridge past Ooh Ahh Point this afternoon. I didn't take the 4x5 as I had nothing but clear skies and didn't relish the climb back up with 16kg of LF on my back! It was hard enough with 2 litres of water and a Leica! I really think the Grand Canyon was the least impressive landscape (photographically) that I have visited.
Zion is a must. I want to be back there now. Arches is great but logistically difficult. It's an hour drive to get one end of the park and back again. But its an extraordinary landscape. I'd really encourage you to explore some of the other stuff close by as well. I loved the stuff out along SB 128 and the La Sal Mtn Loop road. Also drive the SB 12 and 24 from Bryce (if you go there!) towards Moab. Stay at Boulder and take a look out the Burr Trail. Finding those little back roads is where the gems are...
Monument Valley is great but photographically lousy with out clouds. So it is hit and miss on what it's like when you are there. You won't be able to take your RV on the scenic drive there either. And guides are patchy.
The best advice I got was to look at Laurent Martres books Photographing the South West. They are fantastic and have been an absolutely invaluable resource all through my trip. So thanks to who ever suggested that!
Get the books. You still have 8 days to plan! :)
Sorry if this is a bit disjointed....it's all just tumbling out from my memory over the past few weeks!

[rdenney]

IDK -- I found one spot down in Bryce Canyon that a 135mm may work.

But at least I know why my photos in Antelope Canyon back in 1985 did not work -- I was using my 150mm on the 4x5...what an idiot I am! :)

They didn't stop you at the gate? They inspected my camera bag last time I was at Bryce. I figured they had to be looking for unsuitable lenses.

Rick "who had to smuggle in the 14mm lens for the Canon" Denney

[rdenney]

It's an hour drive to get one end of the park and back again. But its an extraordinary landscape.

Good thing you didn't want to photograph the Chocolate Drops, or Lizard Rock, or Chesler Park, all in Canyonlands, and all as spectacular as anything in Arches. The key to getting away from people is to seek out the places that are hard to get to. The Chocolate Drops can be easily photographed from the Maze Overlook. I don't know the condition of the road now, but when I was there last it required eight hours of determined driving from the park boundary, after 90 minutes from that row of Tuff-Sheds that passed for a motel in Hanksville. No people. But the film was fogged by some other unexplained problem, so I'm gonna have to go back someday while I'm still determined enough to take on that jeep trail.

Rick "who will now be outdone by those whose favorite spots are two days of backcountry hiking from the nearest jeep trail" Denney

[dperez]

I was up at Horseshoe Bend a couple months ago. I brought a 90 and it was cutting it very close. I think a 75 would be a little better fit for that location. It's best at sunrise.

-DP

[AFSmithphoto]

ditto. but it would by nice to sneak a 300mm Nikkor in there...

I'm gonna third that, off the lenses you listed, those are the three I would bring. I was in many of the places you're going this year, and my kit was a 90, 180, and 270 and it served me well. Do you have a roll film back? If you're trying to keep the weight/size of what you're bringing down, it can be a space saver. You're going to want to shoot a TON of film. Believe me.

It also adds versatility by making allowing all of your lenses to double as longer lenses on the smaller format. Just a suggestion.

Congrats on this trip in any case. You'll being seeing some of the most beautiful and unique places the planet has to offer. Enjoy!

[Roger Thoms]

They didn't stop you at the gate? They inspected my camera bag last time I was at Bryce. I figured they had to be looking for unsuitable lenses.

Rick "who had to smuggle in the 14mm lens for the Canon" Denney

Yes, the NPS is trying to maintain a certain aesthetic in the photographs taken in the parks. Best to go online and get the list of approved focal lengths for the particular park and format you will be shooting. Although it's not an issue for large format photographers there is talk of banning zoom lens altogether. :)

Roger

[Vaughn]

They didn't stop you at the gate? They inspected my camera bag last time I was at Bryce. I figured they had to be looking for unsuitable lenses.

Rick "who had to smuggle in the 14mm lens for the Canon" Denney

They just made me promise to come back with an 8x10...and a more acceptable range of lenses. (I now have for the 8x10: 210/250/300/480/600, and a 159 if I really have to.) I hope they will let me slide for not having a 360.

[goodfood]

Thanks all again. I have two roll film back. One is the all metal like film holder and weight a lot. One is international back but can't fit on my woodfield. I have 8X10 with 180, 210, 240, 300, 360 and 420. Too heavy to carry for this trip that need to hike. Found a lighter weight Rodenstock 210mm f/6.8 in hand, may be fit to my need on light weight. My freezer still have six boxes of quickload, hope enough.

[Boinzo]

Rick. I don't have a problem with a long drive to get somewhere great. Except when I get there and the something great is covered in tourists and I have to drive to back again!
I went through Hanksville... It was so windy the door nearly came off the car and I had to keep my eyes shut while putting gas in the car. What a place! :)