Show your Beautiful Volute Shutters

[goamules]

I love Bausch & Lomb's early Volute shutters! Do you? Post your pics of them, if you like.
Clockwise from front, Protar V 5", No. 2 Goerz Double Anastigmat 7", No. 1 Goerz Double Anastigmat 6", No. 7 Goerz Dagor 14".

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7002/6808247365_7ab38fe831_b.jpg

[Steve Hamley]

Me too. Clockwise from upper left: Conley Series V f:6.8 8x10, Baush and Lomb Zeiss Protar, Series VIIa, 5" Goerz Double Anastigmat Series III, 6-1/2" Goerz Double Anastigmat Series III.

Cheers, Seve

[goamules]

Looks good, thanks Steve. How large is your Volute on the upper right? I'm trying to figure out the sizes. Most catalogs only list 3 sizes. So I assume the biggest is a No. 3. But I've seen a few references to a No. 5, mostly on forums. Here's a little clearer shot of the above, I used a tiny petzval for the first shot for "effect!"

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7003/6808247885_13937007e4_b.jpg

[TheDeardorffGuy]

Heres a Tessar in Volute on the 13th Deardorff made.

[E. von Hoegh]

Goa, your lenses marked "Double Anastigmat" are pre 1904, the year they went to the Dagor acronym. The Volute shutter was introduced in 1902. The two most attractive shutters made, IMO, are the Volute and the Koilos. That's a nice set of glass you have :)


http://www.nwmangum.com/Kodak/Rochester.html

[Jason Greenberg Motamedi]

I never appreciated these shutters until I saw one in person and held it in my hand. They are truly beautiful pieces of machinery.

[goamules]

Thanks. I like the Prosch shutters too, but don't want to digress. Here's a picture of my Protar in a Volute.

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4036/4579540808_f62867af04_z.jpg

[Jim Galli]

I like their old timey ad where the Volute is on the front of a steam engine where the 2 cylinders correspond to the steam chest on a locy. Anyone got a copy?


http://tonopahpictures.0catch.com/Antiquelenses240G.JPGcouple of the little beasty's in here

[TheDeardorffGuy]

1ST Baby Deardorff w Volute. I shot this years ago and the Volute is packed away. But its a WA Dagor. Marked WA DAGOR. I played with it to get it close in its speed range. It takes really nice pics. The neatest thing about them is the simplicity of the design. The acid etched face is so pretty. I have a fairly large collection of them being a repair person. I only saw one in a large size. A 5 that was gold. Anyothers ever see unusual Volutes?

[Steve Hamley]

The Conley and Protar are in the same size Volute, it's the largest one. I think maybe #5?

BTW, some people give them a bad rap, but I love mine. They all work perfectly, and a 1, 2, and 3 second time is truly nice.

Cheers, Steve

[goamules]

Got another one this weekend, what a beaut!

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7292/16349622968_6ea1864c6c_b.jpg

[Steven Tribe]

Very nice!

But do they all still work!?

[goamules]

Some of them do; at least THEY SOUND ACCURATE! Oh, sorry....sarcasm from another thread!

Volutes are funny, they often don't work well, but work a little. For example, the 3 second setting? Why bother, I can remove a lenscap or open and close on T for 3 seconds counting in my head (wetplate experience). So when you try the 1-3 second settings, they often will be slow. They work on pneumatic plungers, and you can clean those out. But they also have to open then close the isis just to the F-stop setting you chose. I.E., if you set at F8, when you trip the shutter it opens partially, to the F-8 amount of hole, then closes. There is just one set of leaves. Those leaves have to run very clean, but are often dusty or whatever. I've had some luck cleaning them externally, but have been reluctant to open a Volute up to see how to clean the inside. If I did that, I'm sure they would run fine, as my good ones do. Like any shutter, they sometimes need cleaning, but I don't think the parts break - just get dirty. They are well over 100 years old now, and are precision instruments.

[goamules]

Got another one with a nice Cooke lens. Come on, show yours if you have them!

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7770/17657470473_c18dba4432_z.jpg

[Tin Can]

I have one, it is magnificent. Works perfectly at all speeds including 3 seconds.

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[goamules]

I saw a good working one over at Mark's the other day, so I figured some of them should! This new one seems too also. Close enough for Government work, eh?

[Tin Can]

That's all I do.

I have that Cooke 8" not in Volute.

[Two23]

From c.1910, with a dandy Velostigmat lens!


Kent in SD

[Jim C.]

Here's my stash, the top row middle one is a donor, they all work, the big "Galute" with the tessar
is a little sticky on T and B need to go in and see what's going on.
One of these days I'll find a mid sized one.

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[carbo73]

My first Volute shutter, quite cheap, considering it's usual prices on eBay. And it came with a perfectly working Rochester Premo B 4x5 camera. A bit of research seems to show that no Volute shutters were factory mounted one Rochester cameras, and in fact Rochester was bought by Kodak in 1903, just a year after the first Volutes, I think. So probably the original owner of this camera bought it in 1901-1902 (equiped probably with a Victor shutter, as most of them), and then upgraded it with a Volute some years later, maybe in 1908-1910. I reached this aprox. production date with it's lens, a Bausch & Lomb Zeiss Tessar IIb, serial nr. 977xxx, after reading in this forum that "The VM reports two B&L serial numbers 1,8xx,xxx from 1914, so pre-1914. The VM also remarks "by 1903, production was about 500,000."".

https://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=186891&d=1548547149

[Tin Can]

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4890/39922891883_d2a828e9dc_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/23PRfS8)VOLUTE 1075235 f6.3 5X7 B&L Zeiss Tessar Convt (https://flic.kr/p/23PRfS8) by TIN CAN COLLEGE (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tincancollege/), on Flickr

[carbo73]

Wow, your Volute & BL Zeiss Tessar combination is very close in time and serial numbers to my own!! The only major difference is size, since yours it's clearly marked 5x7, and mine is equally marked 4x5. Why there's a double aperture scale?

[Tin Can]

I assume it is convertible to one lens cell.

The shutter works perfectly, but I have never used it.

http://camerapedia.wikia.com/wiki/Tessar


Wow, your Volute & BL Zeiss Tessar combination is very close in time and serial numbers to my own!! The only major difference is size, since yours it's clearly marked 5x7, and mine is equally marked 4x5. Why there's a double aperture scale?