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David Kanefsky
27-Jan-2012, 15:24
I have been given this lens a a basket case.. Somebody has totally dismantled the shutter..the lens front and back elements look ok.
If I get a Copal 0 will the lens elements fit to it, and will they focus.
I have seen Supermatic shutters on ebay, but they always seem to be faulty in some way.

Dan Fromm
27-Jan-2012, 15:32
The cells won't fit. Kodak's shutter standard doesn't match the Compur/Copal/Prontor/Seiko standard.

David Kanefsky
28-Jan-2012, 02:08
Thanks Dan. Thats a pity, I have been told that the 101mm Ektar is a nice lens. I guess I will have to find a Kodak shutter..

IanG
28-Jan-2012, 02:41
There's a couple of reasonable Supermatics on Ebay at the moment, not sure if they are the right size though.

The larger No 2 Supermatic used with the 203mm f7.7 Ektar is interchangeable with a Compur/Copal/Prontor/Epsilon 0#. Kodak used an Epsilon or Compur in the UK with the lens and a Supermatic in the US.

Ian

Steven Tribe
28-Jan-2012, 05:10
You realise this is not a large format size?
The 101mm is designed for 3x2" (+ a bit) and was used on the dwarf graflex, I think.

David Kanefsky
28-Jan-2012, 06:02
I have a Graflex Century Graphic 2x3 camera. I am currently using a Symmar S 5.6/100...but it would be nice to get the Ektar up and running, as I have a spare lens panel
Both the Supermatic's on Ebay have faulty low speeds..

IanG
28-Jan-2012, 06:11
The 101mm Ektar was also fitted in a Kodak Synchro-Rapid 800 shutter, this has no preview or T setting.

Ian

David Kanefsky
28-Jan-2012, 08:50
Thanks for the info Ian... but that doesn't sound a very suitable set up for a View camera

IanG
28-Jan-2012, 09:11
Thanks for the info Ian... but that doesn't sound a very suitable set up for a View camera

Actually it was the shutter used on the 101mm Ektars sold with Century Graphics.

There's a 101mm f4.5 Ektar for sale in the UK in a Compur 0 :D So I've just tried switching my 203mm f7.7 Ektar cells and they do fit the 101mm Ektar's Supermatic (as well as a Copal 0) and vice versa so they conform to the modern standard :)

Ian

Dan Fromm
28-Jan-2012, 09:29
There's a couple of reasonable Supermatics on Ebay at the moment, not sure if they are the right size though.

The larger No 2 Supermatic used with the 203mm f7.7 Ektar is interchangeable with a Compur/Copal/Prontor/Epsilon 0#. Kodak used an Epsilon or Compur in the UK with the lens and a Supermatic in the US.

Ian
I'm not sure that's right, Ian.

I have 127/4.7 Ektars in, respectively, Rapax and Compur #1. The cells don't interchange between the shutters. I believe y'r UK 203/7.7 would be in a Compur #1, like one of my 127s.

Dan Fromm
28-Jan-2012, 09:31
Actually it was the shutter used on the 101mm Ektars sold with Century Graphics.

IanSometimes. That shutter was an extra-cost option. Most of the 101 Ektars I've seen were in little Supermatics with top speed of 1/400.

David Kanefsky
28-Jan-2012, 10:03
Mine has a top speed of 1/400.. I'm pretty sure that makes it a Supermatic 1

IanG
28-Jan-2012, 10:11
Dan I've just taken the cells from the 101mm Ektar and put them in my Epsilon which came with the 203mm Ektar it's size 0 - the shutter's marked Kodak Epsilon, then I tried them in the Copal 0 of my 150mm f5.6 Xenar just to be 100% sure, all identical threads.

The 203mm f7.7 Ektar is a surprisingly small lens because of it's aperture. I was surprised to see the 101mm Ektar in a Zeiss Ikon Compur Rapid for sale on MWClassic's website which is why I tried it for myself.

It may be that some lenses they were going to sell in the UK/Europe were in compatible shutters.

Ian

David Kanefsky
28-Jan-2012, 10:33
I guess I will have to borrow a Copal 0 and try it for myself..

IanG
28-Jan-2012, 10:37
Sometimes. That shutter was an extra-cost option. Most of the 101 Ektars I've seen were in little Supermatics with top speed of 1/400.

Other way around that shutter was one of the budget options on the Century Graphic it's more typical use is on roll film cameras which have no focus screen. It has the same speeds 1 - 1/400 and B but no T or preview.

The 101mm f4.5 Ektar is more common in the Flash Spermatic as you say. My Kodak Referance Handbook shows the 101mm f4.5 Ektar needing a 35mm 1.25" mounting hole and the 127mm f4.5 Etart a 38mm 1.5" hole - so different shutter sizes.

Ian

Dan Fromm
28-Jan-2012, 11:23
I guess I will have to borrow a Copal 0 and try it for myself..
Don't bother, I just tried the experiment.

The 101 Ektar front cell will screw into the front of a Copal 0. The lens' rear cell is much smaller than the shutter's rear, can be inserted loosely but that's all.

David Kanefsky
28-Jan-2012, 11:53
Thanks for trying Dan,much appreciated

Chauncey Walden
28-Jan-2012, 15:33
Wasn't the 203mm Ektar sold in the UK in the mount size marked "320" which was a standard one? Not so for US models.