View Full Version : Safari & Chrome Browsers not fully supported
Keith Pitman
17-Oct-2011, 05:33
Neither "New Posts" nor "Unified View" seem to work with the new software release for IPad.
Will Whitaker
17-Oct-2011, 08:48
I posted a thread to the lounge concerning this very thing. This is a more appropriate forum. I was beginning to think that I was the only one having this problem.
With the new software I cannot get New Posts or Unified View to work, either. The only solution is to read forum by forum else go to settings and wipe clear all web data (including cookies and passwords). The previous software also had issues with New Posts that could be remedied by clearing the cache. The new release, however, does not have that option. I thought it was a memory issue with the the iPad at first. But after this new iteration, I'm really beginning to believe that there is some conflict between the forum software, Safari and the iPad OS. I don't experience any issues with other web sites.
My personal experience is that it is not possible to get the LF Info unified view on the current version of iPad software. As Will says, there may be a workaround, but it is more trouble than it is worth.
Something similar is happening with Apple Lion on my MacBook Air. Initially, unified view will work, but eventually it will stop working and can be reinstituted only after cache is emptied. This is a nuisance.
evan clarke
18-Oct-2011, 04:32
Imthought that it was a Safari issue, having success with a coiple of different browsers under ios 5. The other browsers have started to fail...EC
Will Whitaker
18-Oct-2011, 08:15
Something similar is happening with Apple Lion on my MacBook Air. Initially, unified view will work, but eventually it will stop working and can be reinstituted only after cache is emptied. This is a nuisance.
This is exactly what happened with my iPad and version 5. Unified View worked at first, then completely ceased working unless all the web data is dumped in Settings. Then it's good for exactly once. After that it becomes useless again. Dumping web data loses everything. I have to go through all the challenges to get into my online banking. And I have to sign in again to anything that uses a password - like this forum.
It seems we're regressing.
Ralph Barker
18-Oct-2011, 09:17
It is unfortunate that Apple decided not to ensure that the iPad software would be compatible with existing Web standards.
I believe that Tom is working on upgrading our vBulletin software in the near future. Whether that will resolve the IE9 and iPad problems is yet to be determined, as far as I know.
Keith Pitman
18-Oct-2011, 18:46
It is unfortunate that Apple decided not to ensure that the iPad software would be compatible with existing Web standards.
I'm no tech expert, but I read several other forums that appear to use the same software package and that don't have problems with either the latest Ipad or IE releases. Perhaps the software vendor has a fix for these issues that the LFF needs to implement.
I'm no tech expert, but I read several other forums that appear to use the same software package and that don't have problems with either the latest Ipad or IE releases. Perhaps the software vendor has a fix for these issues that the LFF needs to implement.
Nah, they should just phone Tim Cook and tell him to change Apple's operating system to suit LF Info.
Looks like Tom has fixed this. Unified view now working on iPad. Cheers.
Light Guru
22-Oct-2011, 21:27
The "New Posts" in the menu bar now works but "Sort by Last Reply" under "Quicklinks" still does not work in iOS 5.
And unfortunately, now unified posts has failed on my iPad, same as it oes eventually on my Mac.
Will Whitaker
23-Oct-2011, 10:25
Well, it was OK for a few hours, but now neither New Posts nor Unified View works. Same as before.
jeroldharter
23-Oct-2011, 16:28
Well, it was OK for a few hours, but now neither New Posts nor Unified View works. Same as before.
Me too. I had a brief window in which New Posts and the rest worked well and then no more.
By the way, the New York Times today gave a pretty good review to Walter Isaacson's biography of Steve Jobs: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/22/books/steve-jobs-by-walter-isaacson-review.html?pagewanted=all
Keith Pitman
26-Oct-2011, 10:31
Seems to be working today. Thanks Tom.
SW Rick
26-Oct-2011, 10:37
New Posts not working for me, but Unified View works.
John NYC
26-Oct-2011, 13:26
It doesn't seem to work consistently, but I have also changed by adding in another "I" device to make matters more confusing.
As I stated in another thread, if this forum would put in TapaTalk support, all iPad and iPhone users would greatly benefit from that. Much better way to read forums online with those devices.
Light Guru
26-Oct-2011, 22:36
As I stated in another thread, if this forum would put in TapaTalk support, all iPad and iPhone users would greatly benefit from that. Much better way to read forums online with those devices.
AMEN I would LOVE to have TapaTalk support.
As of today, unified view is not working on iPad beyond a few iterations.
SW Rick
27-Oct-2011, 08:25
Neither working now
Keith Pitman
27-Oct-2011, 09:10
Both working for me this morning.
Bob McCarthy
27-Oct-2011, 12:08
uuugggg
now neither new or unified are working.
bob
Keith Pitman
27-Oct-2011, 16:48
Not working now. :-( I retract my thank you to Tom. :-)
Ken Lee
28-Oct-2011, 07:53
I have asked the other moderators - no reaction. I use an iPhone and it doesn't work. The problem is inherent with any Webkit browser: Safari, Chrome.
Bob McCarthy
28-Oct-2011, 20:08
Really this is becoming a pain. I'm at a loss to visit the site and review any new activity.
Help!!!
Bob
Bob McCarthy
28-Oct-2011, 20:24
Just downloaded "Opera" and so far it appears to work.
Bob
It is unfortunate that Apple decided not to ensure that the iPad software would be compatible with existing Web standards.
I believe that Tom is working on upgrading our vBulletin software in the near future. Whether that will resolve the IE9 and iPad problems is yet to be determined, as far as I know.
Ralph, here's the bottom line.
Some of the site's basic functions work with neither iOS5 nor Lion. Based on your own comment, the site also apparently doesn't work properly with IE9. Also based on your comment, it isn't clear whether it will work with any of these operating systems anytime soon.
Meanwhile, you are blaming this on Apple. And, given that you say that there are also IE9 problems, you are also blaming it on Microsoft.
So the result is, you are saying that the site doesn't work properly with any of the major operating systems, you are blaming them for that and you don't know when, if ever, the site will work with them.
Meanwhile, the site uses vBulletin, which is pretty basic/standard forum software.
Huh?
Ralph Barker
28-Oct-2011, 22:59
r.e., although I can't speak to the operating systems running on the Apple devices (iPad, iPhone), the problem appears to be within the browsers, not the underlying OS. Earlier Mac browsers had similar problems, but Firefox on either platform works OK, as did earlier versions of Microsoft Internet Explorer on various versions of Windows. Thus, it would appear that the new products from both companies have standards compliance issues. Whether the latest version of vBulletin includes work-arounds for these issues, I simply don't know. Tom is looking into the upgrade, as I understand, but that is also a fair amount of time-consuming work. He needs to make sure that the add-in software we use will also work with the later version.
John NYC
29-Oct-2011, 12:45
Tapatalk apparently is compatible with vBulletin...
http://tapatalk.com/faq.php
Can we just get into the second decade of the 21st century and go that route?
;-)
Ken Lee
29-Oct-2011, 15:25
Is Opera free?
John NYC
29-Oct-2011, 15:39
You will lose something with Opera that I don't want to lose... I have my bookmarks sync'ed via the iCloud between Safari on my Mac, iPad and iPhone. I add or delete a bookmark on any of those devices and within a second or so, it is updated on all the other ones.
Ken Lee
29-Oct-2011, 16:10
I'm using Opera. What a relief!
If you're worried about bookmarks, just use Opera for this forum
John NYC
29-Oct-2011, 18:16
I'm using Opera. What a relief!
If you're worried about bookmarks, just use Opera for this forum
That's a good interim idea.
If you used TapaTalk for other forums, you'd not want to go back to browsing this on on an iPhone, especially, with a browser.
Mark Barendt
29-Oct-2011, 20:08
Opera is free.
It does seem to work better than Safari on at least a few things here but it doesn't work well other paces, crashed my iPad once already at the second site I visited.
r.e., although I can't speak to the operating systems running on the Apple devices (iPad, iPhone), the problem appears to be within the browsers, not the underlying OS. Earlier Mac browsers had similar problems, but Firefox on either platform works OK, as did earlier versions of Microsoft Internet Explorer on various versions of Windows. Thus, it would appear that the new products from both companies have standards compliance issues. Whether the latest version of vBulletin includes work-arounds for these issues, I simply don't know. Tom is looking into the upgrade, as I understand, but that is also a fair amount of time-consuming work. He needs to make sure that the add-in software we use will also work with the later version.
Much obliged that you took the time to explain the situation further. Best of luck in sorting this out.
Ken Lee
31-Oct-2011, 14:35
Opera is free.
It does seem to work better than Safari on at least a few things here but it doesn't work well other paces, crashed my iPad once already at the second site I visited.
Yes - it doesn't work well here. :confused:
Mark Barendt
31-Oct-2011, 15:28
Yes - it doesn't work well here. :confused:
Some things work better here, like marking things read.
I gave up on Opera quickly though because the next site I tried to go to crashed it.
I'm using Opera. What a relief!
If you're worried about bookmarks, just use Opera for this forum
I don't think opera works on the iPhone or iPad.
So , this site has been broken since I updated to IOS5- as far as I know, it's the only site I visit that's broken-
No unified view, and I can access Today's Posts only when I'm not logged in- and the site has logged me out 4 times in the course of posting this from my phone.
Also, the only formatting options I have are the addition of smilies, which I never use- although I'm quite tempted to use a handful now.
The site works fine on Safari on my mac, so I don't need opera there-
evan clarke
31-Oct-2011, 17:04
Is Opera free?
Might be free but Safari is what iUsers use..
Ken Lee
31-Oct-2011, 17:49
It works- just intermittently. You can't beat the price. :)
It has an option where you can see no images - only text. That makes things much faster which ca be critical when the connection is poor.
Bob McCarthy
31-Oct-2011, 18:52
Not sure why, but Opera works just fine here on an ipad. I use safari for everything else.
Bob
Has anyone tried any of the other browsers? For example, the Mercury browser?
Will Whitaker
1-Nov-2011, 17:31
No, I simply gave up trying to use the iPad for this forum.
John NYC
1-Nov-2011, 19:23
I really don't get why the moderators don't just add support for TapaTalk. It is free to forum operators. It provides a much better experience for mobile devices.
Here is some info...
Tapatalk is a forum app on the iPhone (http://tapatalk.com/mobile.php#iphone), Android (http://tapatalk.com/mobile.php#android), webOS (http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.newnessdevelopments.forums), Windows Phone 7 (http://www.board-express.com) and BlackBerry (http://tapatalk.com/mobile.php#blackberry). Tapatalk Forum App provides super fast on-the-go forum access to majority of the discussion forums that has activated the Tapatalk plugin.
Showing New and Unread Thread with Avatar and Number of reply:
http://tapatalk.com/mu/77ec8c55-d161-2949.jpg
Images in the thread are converted to thumbnail and allow full-screen viewing
http://tapatalk.com/mu/77ec8c55-d19e-1d77.jpg
Ability to see Who's Online and what they are doing:
http://tapatalk.com/mu/77ec8c55-d1b3-cbe1.jpg
Ability to search by topics and posts:
http://tapatalk.com/mu/77ec8c55-d1cd-05b1.jpg
Check out http://www.tapatalk.com for more information!
John NYC
1-Nov-2011, 19:24
Ability to upload images directly from Android and iPhone!:
http://tapatalk.com/mu/77ec8c55-d44e-0fbc.jpg
Forum Moderation support:
http://tapatalk.com/mu/77ec8c55-d44e-0fbb.jpg
John NYC
1-Nov-2011, 19:26
Note that I have no affiliation to Tapatalk other than being a user of it.
Keith Pitman
2-Nov-2011, 21:12
Thanks to Bob's tip, I am writing from Opera. it's a free app. First time I've been able to read the forum in weeks since I use IE and IPad.
Bob McCarthy
14-Nov-2011, 04:33
This is the only site I'm having problems using safari.
Is it going to be fixed anytime soon?
Bob
This site doesn't work on my iPhone anymore.
Ken Lee
14-Nov-2011, 11:22
Use Opera Browser. Free.
Bob McCarthy
14-Nov-2011, 12:54
I am Ken (using Opera), if you'll recall I suggested everybody do the same many posts ago. To me Opera is a bandaid. I had a choice, I would stay in safari, only browser that accepts profiles so I see stuff correctly, rather than approximately.
I'm also holding off ungrading my Mac OS, just for this wonderful site.
Not being sarcastic, i do enjoy the site, but if other sites using this software are not having problems, its a switch thrown wrong somewhere.
bob
Ken Lee
14-Nov-2011, 13:01
The current theory is that there is an incompatibility between our version of the forum software, and the webkit engine that is used by Safari and Chrome.
Because we are staffed by volunteers, and Tom Westbrook is the real expert here, we have been reluctant to upgrade unless something becomes a real "show-stopper". So far (apparently) this issue has not been seen as a show-stopper.
Our site has a number of customizations, which makes us hesitant to upgrade because of the uncertainty and effort involved.
Ken Lee
14-Nov-2011, 13:40
Yes, you can find Opera Browser as a free app. (It runs on many platforms, but I only use it for this forum, and only when on my iPhone).
John NYC
14-Nov-2011, 16:14
Our site has a number of customizations, which makes us hesitant to upgrade because of the uncertainty and effort involved.
That uncertainty and effort involved will only get worse as technology continues to march on.
You might want to consider losing the customizations and migrating to the latest (stock) version of the forum software.
What I did to resolve the issue on my iPhone was to restore it in iTunes. All my apps and data are there and the speed is much better plus I'm able to use new posts on this site again. The new software from apple wasn't very good, an understatement.
Light Guru
14-Nov-2011, 16:53
I have even had some issues with the site using opera on my iPad. However this may be an issue with the opera browser as it also acted jenky on other sites. In my opinion the opera browser is not good at all.
Ken Lee
14-Nov-2011, 18:06
Yes, Opera often requires several clicks to load a page - but as they say, you can't beat the price :rolleyes: which is true about this forum too.
The bottom line is that this site is run by volunteers so there's nothing to be done except wait for a fix. That said, if it was a commercial site, the explanations and proposed fixes have thus far been ridiculous. The fact is, there is a very large number of vBulletin sites, and this is not happening generally. It would be best if the volunteers stopped blaming Apple and Microsoft and various browsers, and stopped telling people to download, install and use some other browser (which in the case of an obscure device known as the iPad is not even a possibility), and simply said that there is a problem and that they will fix it whenever they get around to it.
SW Rick
14-Nov-2011, 19:49
Unified View and New Posts both now working! Hope it stays up this time.
Unified View and New Posts both now working! Hope it stays up this time.
Sorry, but not working on my iPad.
I thought it was...., but it ain't. This sucks.
If I log off snd then back on will that empty the cache?
Ken Lee
15-Nov-2011, 03:40
On Safari and Chrome browsers the New Posts and Unified View features do not work after you use them the first (or first few) times. If you clear the browser cache, they work briefly, but fail again soon thereafter. Safari and Chrome are based on the same underlying engine, Webkit.
This is true on Mac or Windows or iPhone or iPad - and possibly other browsers/platforms.
Until the forum software is upgraded, the problem will persist. Because this site is free and staffed by a small number of volunteers, we cannot promise a date by which the forum software will be upgraded.
On Windows and Mac, Firefox works nicely, and is a free workaround.
On iPhone/iPad, Opera Browser is a free workaround: not perfect, but workable.
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