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Bunch of LFer want to form a group for NJ - PM me if interested for info/directions. :)
Fotoguy20d
21-Sep-2011, 10:26
I'm interested
Dan
Bill Kelleher
22-Sep-2011, 12:25
I am interested!:)
mitch.goddard
24-Sep-2011, 13:32
I'm on Staten Island but may be interested
Don Ciccone
24-Sep-2011, 16:26
I know a few folks who might be interested as well. Suggest you organize/announce
a field trip in October (while the weather is still good).
Don
Lets set a tenative meet up date then in October.
Fotoguy20d
26-Sep-2011, 10:49
How about the 23rd or the 30th?
Dan
This weekend I'll set up an online discussion forum for our group where we can "meet" and arrange for a real meet.
rguinter
28-Sep-2011, 05:43
I work in Bayonne just down the road from you.
The heat of this summer put all thoughts of photography out of my mind.
But I'd be interested in a possible meet for October.
Bob G.
Don Ciccone
3-Oct-2011, 17:07
I suggest we post a few possible dates and locations and take an informal "vote".
Someone previously suggested Sunday Oct 23 or 30th. Personally I'd prefer Sat. Oct 22nd or the following Sat Oct 29th (traveling thru Holland tunnel or over GW is difficult on Sunday afternoon/evening). Obviously not a problem for those residing in NJ.
Possible local places to meet/shoot include: Hoboken Train Station (near to restaurants), Port of Elizabeth, Sandy Hook, Passaic Falls, Ringwood Manor to name a few. Other suggestions?
Don
Fotoguy20d
3-Oct-2011, 17:28
I was thinking about Sandy Hook as a possible destination. The Falls are good too - I've wanted to do some architectural shooting of the buildings in the historic district.
Princeton, Lambertville, Hiking at the Gap, VanSlyke Castle in Ramapo to name a few more
Dan
You can't take photos at the PATH station in Hoboken - PATH requires licenses for photography which is why I am in the process of filing a law suit against them.
Fotoguy20d
10-Oct-2011, 08:00
Anything going on with our meetup?
Dan
OldCrow
14-Oct-2011, 13:30
i have to ask... why the law suit?
Because the PATH rules about licensing photography are RIDICULOUSLY unconstitutional (aside from the fact that they don't actually issue any licenses and deliberately make it practically impossible (http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=456041)to apply for or obtain one)
OldCrow
14-Oct-2011, 15:48
Because the PATH rules about licensing photography are RIDICULOUSLY unconstitutional (aside from the fact that they don't actually issue any licenses and deliberately make it practically impossible (http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=456041)to apply for or obtain one)
You would not think this is because of the Events of Sept 11th and the now in place controls over travel infrastructures. There is a clear and present reason why they do not allow photography on and around path stations. These are in place to control the possible planning of terrorist attacks.
Yes I am aware that you are going to state that you think this is absurd, and that it is taking away your creative rights. Yet tell me what it is that you wish to photograph that can not be created somewhere else? The safety and securities acts that are currently in place apply to all bridges, tunnels, and public travel hubs.
You are aware that the path system is not officially a public property? That it is indeed a private property that you are permitted to use under very strict and direct laws in exchange for your fare? You are aware of this, correct? Therefore they do not have to permit you to be able to shoot there at all. A lawsuit is just a waste of time and energy. It is not like you are fighting for the right to shoot in a park or another public common use area. If they said you could not photograph the statue of liberty or something of the sort, then yes you are being impinged upon and I would say fight the good fight.
I am curious to see where your lawsuit goes and how quick the judge tosses it out. You are simply going to waste time and money trying to fight against the patriot act bs that we are all living with now.
Also that thread you linked is simply the same five people replying and ranting to each other about how its so wrong to take away their freedoms. If it is so wrong then simply do it and stand up for what you feel is your legal right. If you are correct then your arrest will be justified and you will set precedence in the courts and then no one would ever have to get a permit again. You would be the person to set the wheels in motion. So instead of being a name on a list in a thread of people bitching about something and doing nothing, you would be the stone rolling down the hill building the momentum!
Don Ciccone
14-Oct-2011, 17:28
Rather than discuss pros and cons of the Patriot Act, I think the point of this thread was to plan a LF shoot in NJ. Toward that end, can we set a time/date? I previously suggested Sat. Oct 22nd or 29th. Does anyone have a preferred destination?
Don
You would not think this is because of the Events of Sept 11th and the now in place controls over travel infrastructures. There is a clear and present reason why they do not allow photography on and around path stations. These are in place to control the possible planning of terrorist attacks.
Yes I am aware that you are going to state that you think this is absurd, and that it is taking away your creative rights. Yet tell me what it is that you wish to photograph that can not be created somewhere else? The safety and securities acts that are currently in place apply to all bridges, tunnels, and public travel hubs.
You are aware that the path system is not officially a public property?
I appreciated you sharing your rather uninformed opinion with me but if you don't mind, I will let the courts decide. BUT fyi the Port Authority is indeed public property
"The PATH is a subdivision of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. Whatever restrictions may flow from the status of property denoted as "private," are here wholly irrelevant. The terminal is a building, constructed, owned, operated and maintained by a public authority. It is open to the public, and it is in fact used by thousands of citizens each day as they travel to and from work. THe Court of Appeals of the Second Circuit has held under identical circumstances , that a New York bus terminus of the same Port Authority is a public forum..."
(etc etc mentionin public forum status of Journal Square and Jersey City)
- Moskowitz v Cullman, 432 FSupp 1263 (1977)
Furthermore, the rules in question predate 9/11. In fact the PATH is the only mass public transportation system in the US that prohibits casual public photography - not the MTA subways, not NJT, etc. Incidentally, the only time "terrorists" photographed their target was the Liberty City 7 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/16/AR2008041603607.html) case, that was basically laughed out of court (a government informant instigated the hapless "terrorists," including by buying them the camera they couldn't otherwise afford.) Incidentally, there has been a net decrease (http://www.amazon.com/Missing-Martyrs-There-Muslim-Terrorists/dp/0199766878/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1318462751&sr=1-1) in instances of terrorism on US soil compared to the 1970s. It isn't my creative rights being taken away - it is all our Constitutional rights. And this is hardly the first time that we're told that various "threats" require us to give up rights - 200 years ago, Benjamin Franklin said that people who give up a little bit of rights for a little bit of security will have neither. And 2000 years ago, Plato said beware of the tyrant for when he first appears, he comes as a protector.
As for when we'll meet - I'm open!
OldCrow
15-Oct-2011, 15:54
I appreciated you sharing your rather uninformed opinion with me but if you don't mind, I will let the courts decide. BUT fyi the Port Authority is indeed public property
"The PATH is a subdivision of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. Whatever restrictions may flow from the status of property denoted as "private," are here wholly irrelevant. The terminal is a building, constructed, owned, operated and maintained by a public authority. It is open to the public, and it is in fact used by thousands of citizens each day as they travel to and from work. THe Court of Appeals of the Second Circuit has held under identical circumstances , that a New York bus terminus of the same Port Authority is a public forum..."
(etc etc mentionin public forum status of Journal Square and Jersey City)
- Moskowitz v Cullman, 432 FSupp 1263 (1977)
Furthermore, the rules in question predate 9/11. In fact the PATH is the only mass public transportation system in the US that prohibits casual public photography - not the MTA subways, not NJT, etc. Incidentally, the only time "terrorists" photographed their target was the Liberty City 7 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/16/AR2008041603607.html) case, that was basically laughed out of court (a government informant instigated the hapless "terrorists," including by buying them the camera they couldn't otherwise afford.) Incidentally, there has been a net decrease (http://www.amazon.com/Missing-Martyrs-There-Muslim-Terrorists/dp/0199766878/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1318462751&sr=1-1) in instances of terrorism on US soil compared to the 1970s. It isn't my creative rights being taken away - it is all our Constitutional rights. And this is hardly the first time that we're told that various "threats" require us to give up rights - 200 years ago, Benjamin Franklin said that people who give up a little bit of rights for a little bit of security will have neither. And 2000 years ago, Plato said beware of the tyrant for when he first appears, he comes as a protector.
As for when we'll meet - I'm open!
Really, so you think quoting some outdated left wing bs is going to back your bullshit claims? You can convince yourself all you want that it is public property, but the PATH is not public. You pay a fare to ride it and that fare gives you the ability to gain access to the area that they own. If you do not pay the fare you can not be there.
Also your quoting the forefathers is far off the mark, if you are going quote their words use them in the correct context. I am well aware that you have not had to deal with any real "threats" and that you are griping over a imagined idea of freedom that you feel is being stepped on. You never answered the question of what is it that you are looking to shoot there that is exact to that area.
I love how you add these links to other websites that hold no ground to the claims you make. You live in jersey city in a loft and have no clue what it is like in the middle east and yet you want to spout about the terror that does not exist. Yet you want to file a bs lawsuit stating that you are being wronged by not being allowed to shoot some pictures in a private domain. Also the Marta and the Bart does not allow casual photography, so check your facts. You really are clueless when it comes to your fact checking on this.
The port authority is not a public domain, they have their own governing system and police force, which makes it a private entity. I think you need to do a bit more fact checking and not rely on wiki for your facts. You are barking up the wrong tree and you are going to be another one of those laughed out of courts cases. So go on with your flag waving and help raise the price of fares. You wont get anywhere and you wont change anything.
So show me where this was enacted prior to 9/11 and I will pay your court costs. Since all the ranting and raving you referenced was to some clown that had no information on his request for a permit that was well after 9/11.
I know this may hard for you to believe, but no public transit system is public. If you look up the meaning of public domain it clearly states. "Free to the public for entry." Now where on the path is it free? Just because it is called public transit, does not mean it is free. I am going to guess on this, but you are some 20 something year old "photographer" that has it out against the Path for stunting your creative side.
Oh and if you also learn how to speak latin you would know what Plato actually said.
So what do you need to shoot there that you can not shoot somewhere else? If you feel so right about your choice and view, then why not do it and see what happens? If you get arrested and go to court, then if you are right the judge will see that you are and you will change the tide of time for everyone else. But then again you can be a voiceless rant on the internet and file a lame lawsuit against them and not try to change anything. So how much are you trying to get out of them anyway? You are the problem with this country... "I dont like it so I am going to file a lawsuit".
Make a movement, make a change. Grow some balls and gain a voice. Stand up for what you think is right. Put it into practice, and do something. Letter writing and internet bitching is a waste of time. You wont win in court. Win on the streets and the stations of the Path. Get people behind you, fight it the way it needs to be fought. Take it to the concrete. Photographers swarm the trains and shoot...
think about it. build the wave.
OldCrow
15-Oct-2011, 18:21
I personally get a laugh out of you using a case from 1977 as your big letter of commitment. Thats 34 years ago.
Come on, we are aware you are good at google search for your weak information, but please can it be from at least the lat 3 years. Nothing from over three decades ago would hold ground in court. What are you going to cite next, Rowe vrs Wade?
You are on every board about photography and on all of them you have something to say about anything and everything and you say nothing at all in everything you say. I do not have personal grudge against you in anyway, but honestly you are just talking out your ass most of the time.
I hope you are aware that there are people that are far more informed on the inner workings of governmental dealings then you are. Why file a lawsuit when you are well aware you are going to lose? Its like fighting an uphill battle in the snow against a grizzly bear.
Like I said before, do something! Stop talking and bitching and do something. Fight the good fight. Shoot the photos, make them stop you.
When you do I will raise my hand and support you, until then you are just another voiceless imp crying and complaining into a paper sack. Lawsuits and letter writing will get you no where. Its time to make a difference is it matters. Start a post and make it happen. Get the other shutter monkeys in on it and start something.
Ps Plato was dead long before 2000 years ago... He died in 347 bc... do your research better!
so when is the meet? best pick a day sooooon.
OldCrow
16-Oct-2011, 05:28
Youre a weirdo.
Right. Great response. I see you have your lawsuit well thought out.
Old crow i happen to be a law school graduate working at a top law firm in NYC so go take your meds.
Yes because I studied law and work in a big law firm. :)
so when is the meet? best pick a day sooooon.
Fotoguy20d
17-Oct-2011, 04:39
so when is the meet? best pick a day sooooon.
what he said...
Flauvius
17-Oct-2011, 05:51
So be it, we will meet on Saturday, October 22, 2011.
The only question I have is, where and at what time are we meeting?
Robert
By command of Flauvius, Saturday Oct 22 it is then!
Really, honestly, what's in JC worth photographing? I only come here because its where my studio is located. Oh, and some good Indian food.
Songyun
17-Oct-2011, 08:45
I might stop by.
Fotoguy20d
17-Oct-2011, 12:16
I couldn't do it on the 22nd but anyone interested in going out to Steamtown?
Dan
OldCrow
20-Oct-2011, 16:59
Clearly I was wrong to ask you for an educated answer to the questions I asked. I am also sorry for those who had to read this. I moved it to a private message.
Meds!!! Did someone say MEds?? What do you have? Are you sharing? I ran out of pills down at the gun range, and I have been struggling to see clear enough to hold the steering wheel and focus on the mouth of the bottle at the same time. I keep spilling shit all over my Obama shirt!!!
Old crow i happen to be a law school graduate working at a top law firm in NYC so go take your meds.
Flauvius
20-Oct-2011, 18:39
If anyone is interested, I propose the following meeting and shooting locations:
1. We could meet in the Coach House Dinner parking lot, and after socializing and lunch - drive to the pallisades in Guttenberg and shoot the skyline of Manhattan. With the sun at our backs, late afternoon shooting should be excellant.
The Coach House Dinner is - I believe is located at 47th & Kennedy Blvd. in Jersey City. Google it to be sure of the address. FWIW, the food is excellent and quite reasonably priced.
2. We could meet in the parking lot of the Dinner on the first little street before Kennedy Blvd. - if you are traveling North on Kennedy Blvd. - makes the turn into Journal Square. From there we could photograph - if we shoot early in the morning - to the west and the areas of the Turnpike Bridge and Bayoone Bay.
3. We could meet at any of the suggested dinners and shoot - in the afternoon - the old piers of the New Jersey Central Rail Road Statation in Hoboken. This location has been the site of many famous images of the New York skyline, Elis Island and immigrant history.
In this regard, the train station was restored when I was last there, and it is impressive. However, being Saturday there may be a lot of "tourists" to contend with.
3. Jersey City has a numbr of very churchs that are now just shells. However, these area is a high crime areas.
4. Lowes Theater in Journal Square would be very nice to shoot early in the day. But you have to be very quick because of the location and people.
Unless several folks confirm that they will come, I will not persue a meeting this Saturday, October 22nd.
Flauvius
Don Ciccone
21-Oct-2011, 09:20
So, the meeting is at the "Coach House Dinner parking lot" in Jersey City at Noon? Does the individual who is organizing this know how many folks are planning to show up?
Don
Flauvius
21-Oct-2011, 15:22
Don:
You are the only person to respond to my suggestion. As such, am not going to persue my suggestion.
Robert
Did this meetup ever pan out?
If not is anyone still interested.
I really liked your suggestions Robert.
Sorry not enough people responded.
Flauvius
4-Nov-2011, 14:57
For the North Jersey folks,
The South Jersey large format photographers will met on November the 16th from 9:00 A.M. to 4:00 P.M. shooting in the Burlington County Historic Jail and its yard. This building in Mount Holly coincides with the building of the Eastern State Prison in Philadelphia.
John Finks, a large format newbie and member of this group, made the arrangements for this shoot, and he certainly deserves all our thanks.
Having previously shot in this historic jail, I can assure everyone that although it is not as large or dilapidated as Eastern State Prison, the opportunity to shoot in the Burlington County Historic Jail is worth the trip to Mount Holly.
Separately, Burlington - a very small and nearby city in Burlington County - was a way station during the Civil War on the underground railroad. There are a few old buildings, that with the right light, that could be interesting to photograph.
Flauvius,
Flauvius
arthur berger
6-Nov-2011, 12:32
So, all one has to do is show up? Sounds like it could be a lot of fun; and i believe it is a day when the prison isnt regularly open to visitors. I will try to be there; spent lots of time at Eastern state.
Flauvius
6-Nov-2011, 17:34
It would be a good idea if ever one knows who is bringing lights, electrical extension cables, stools, etc. The Parisian's interior has very high lighting ratios and there are few electrical outlets.
Also, if anyone open to working with models - privacy is not an issue. Short or wide angle lenses are advisable for all the tight spaces and hallways.
Flauvius /
Robert J. Triffin
Edmond3
19-Sep-2012, 00:22
I know this is old news, but in case anybody is listening, I have set up a tripod and shot in the Hoboken train station property a few times, and in the view of the Police, right out in the Bus area. I love the iron columns!
mervynyan
20-Nov-2012, 22:13
shall setup a meet, nyc, li & nj, etc...
i also meet once a month with leica folks in mahattan, mostly chatting and beering, since small format is easy to walk around, i guess we decided not to go shoot on the street as a group.
anyhow, lf shooting time is more valuable, find a great viewpoint, we can meet up...
cheers,
mervyn
PJ Roos
27-May-2015, 09:52
Did this group ever form-up? Would be interested in joining up
Peter Lewin
6-Jun-2015, 04:59
It looks from previous posts that there were never enough interested photographers, but perhaps a couple of years later our numbers have grown? The one group meeting I attend monthly is interesting from a photographic standpoint, but while most of the work is of a high standard, it is primarily digital/Photoshop: http://www.njphotoforum.com. Anyway, it would be fun to get together with more LF participants!
Roboflick
28-Jul-2015, 15:12
yes i would be interested in meeting up in NYC as well. Ive shot in Brooklyn bridge park but would be interested in discovering other locations
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