IT8 Target description file (where the heck is it)

[akfreak]

Ok for those that dont know I bought a NIB Agfa Duoscan HID film scanner. In the box came a wonderful box called ColorTune 3.0.2 in that lovely box lives to IT8 targets and a disk. The 2 IT8 targets are standard 4x5 (trans. IT8.7/1) and 5x7 the (reflective AGFACOLR IT8.7/2) there are batch numbers taped to each target like a Serial number, I think it may be the reference number for the individually measured descriptor files. Or just Batch numbers.

Like I said They came in a ColorTune software package with a AGFAScan HID that I just bought new in the box. I have searched everywhere for the Descriptor files. I cant find them anywhere. they are not on the disk. I looked for a .txt, .it8, .q60 I cant find anything

I am trying to color profile my scanner using Vuescan, I know how to do it, I just need the descriptor files. Agfa is out of the game and there is no link to any thing I can find. With the price of these targets, I hate to throw them away because I cant find a simple .txt file.


I know I need to get targets for various emulsions I will be scanning, like the Velvia 50 RVP is not the same as the AGFAChrome RSX100 so the colors may have a cast to them. However I have learned a few tricks, I just need some known variables and the Agfa IT8 descriptor files are my ticket.

I am sure there are many ways to skin a cat. I just want these files to start off with. So any of you ex or current Agfa scanner or Agfa IT8 target users, can you help me out, Thanks AKf

[Sevo]

You've already searched http://www.targets.coloraid.de/ for your charge no.?

[akfreak]

"I am afraid I do not have the Agfa reference files for your targets
nor do I know were to get them." With kind regards

Wolf Faust

Well I guess they are worthless. I dont understand where the files could be. One would think they are on the disk of the ColorTune package containing the IT8 targets.

So strange, I have this awesome box, New, Sealed containing mint targets, a sealed cdrom. I installed ColorTune looked thru every file it created. I looked on the disk as a view files and folders, there are no reference files.

When I installed ColorTune, it asked me for my name and serial number off of the packaging, everything installed correctly. I cant find the stupid ref files anywhere. Agfa has been contacted, and I expect to hear no news from them as this is a discontinued product.

So I am going to drop more money on new targets to get calibrated, that seems so wasteful. It is what it is, AKf

[Jon Shiu]

When I had Linocolor of the same era, the target data files were on a 3.5" floppy, apart from the CD.

Jon

[akfreak]

The targets came with a CDROM all in a ColorTune Sealed package. It is very bizarre that I cannot locate the reference files. It is impossible to use these targets without the reference files.

[Peter J. De Smidt]

I may, repeat may, have these somewhere. I had an Agfa 2500 for awhile. I ended up throwing it out, but I may have the software discs...somewhere... Otherwise getting new ones from Mr. Faust isn't too expensive.

[akfreak]

I hope you can find the disk. Man I hate flushing 100 bucks down the toliet

[Henry Ambrose]

The files were made for each target individually. They came on a floppy with the targets. I may have a set of targets with matching files.

[pherold]

Another alternative for the reflective target would be to scan your own reference file. You, or someone you know who has a spectrophotometer (like an i1Pro - or we use a SpectroScan table for this), can measure the patches on a 5 x 7 reflective target and make you a customized reference file. This would probably also be more accurate since it's giving you a current description of your target rather than what you'd get with an older reference. (Dyes in the emulsion of the target can subtly change over time.)

Probably not going to work with the transmissive target though.

[akfreak]

@pherold is that an offer? I see in your sig you do all thngs color.

[akfreak]

The files were made for each target individually. They came on a floppy with the targets. I may have a set of targets with matching files.

Do you use them Henry? IF no what is the chance to use them for set up, or are they for sale?

[D. Bryant]

I hope you can find the disk. Man I hate flushing 100 bucks down the toliet

Not having the profiles doesn't make your scanner useless. It's better to have them for transparency scanning but totally unnecessary for B&W or color negative scanning.

The profile data disk is matched to a specific transparency so you will need both, the data file and the matching transparency target.

Good luck ~

[pherold]

https://www2.chromix.com/colorgear/shop/productdetail.cxsa?toolid=434

[Peter J. De Smidt]

While I found the box with negative carriers from my old scanner, I haven't been able to find the software disks. In any case, your targets and mine would have to be from the same batch to be of any use, which is quite unlikely.

In any event, slides will fade, and so for the most critical work it would be best to get new targets anyway.

[akfreak]

Not having the profiles doesn't make your scanner useless. It's better to have them for transparency scanning but totally unnecessary for B&W or color negative scanning.

The profile data disk is matched to a specific transparency so you will need both, the data file and the matching transparency target.

Good luck ~

Doing slide film that is why I am going thru this effort. My digital workflow is 100% color managed. Well except for scanning slide film (doh). I did go ahead and do part of the job, I just pushed the saturation in lightroom to match what I was seeing in a loupe on a light table. I was trying to see if being color calibrated would make a huge difference.

I know for example if I set up a profile for agfachrome rsx100 and scan velvia 50 there will be a megenta color cast. Most of the rest will be ok so I will only have to play with one or 2 sliders. In theroy any way, I know I need specfic targets for each film and thart is exspensive. I dont plan on shootinug too much chrome, but this job is for a client. Possibly a big account if I can nail this job.

He shoots lots of 6x17 slide film and I am local so he gets faster service. I also know each film emultion has or had it's own set of matched targets and supporting color data.

Thanks for the input however. Seems just wanting to test my theroy has become such a PITA all for a little file that NO ONE seems to have.

[akfreak]

Short version I found the target files, You must run Color Tune and they appear in a drop down menu.

Long version!

Ok Well I feel pretty stupid at this point. This is what you do, you run colortune after you scanned your target at 150 dpi (recommended size) for the 4x5 transparent target.

Next you open a dialog box called Input Profile menu and locate the tiff scan of the IT8 target (scan it and save it first). Next you align the 22x12 selection markers so they are on top of each of the color swatches.

Then the Ahh ha, moment. There is then a drop down box called Color reference. The drop down revealed 2 choices a 4x5 transparency with the same sticker number as my 4x5 target and the same for the 5x7 reflective target. I selected the 4x5 one with my sticker number and clicked read, and It worked. I got to proceed, Yes!!!

Then a box pops up with all the color swatches and a box that you check for color abnormalities, checking it and seeing none, I moved on . Next you will input the device information, Camera, scanner, monitor, printer ect.. and save the ICC profile. Now I have a proper color calibrated ICC profile for Vuescan for slide film.

A 200 page PDF buried in a folder explained how to do this. I was looking for the actual target files. Well they are in a drop down menu in color tune. That seems like the long way around. But I guess you have to clearly define each patch and color tune's way is to use the interface to do so.

Vuescan does this different. It allows you to align the color patches but asked you to link the target file via the @(browse) folder option. I dont know where they live but the colortune software has them stored somewhere, Now I will try and locate the actual target files hiding place.


I am so glad the targets aren't a waste.