New Post Search fails in IE9

[roteague]

For some reason, everytime I do a "New Posts" search in IE9 I get the same result "No new items". To test this, I opened Opera, ran the same query and got more than 10 pages of results.

And no, I don't intend to use any browser other than IE9 on a regular basis.

[Leigh]

I didn't think anybody was still using IE.

Search works fine with Firefox.

- Leigh

[Scott Knowles]

Gee, I thought IE9 was supposed to be the most Web standard compliant browser in Microsoft history. I guess not? Any bets there will be a few patches in the immediate future? But then I have a MS-free Mac so it's just a, "Gee, that's nice." for me.

[Mark Stahlke]

And no, I don't intend to use any browser other than IE9 on a regular basis.Seems like an odd choice to use a browser that's broken.

[Leigh]

I thought IE9 was supposed to be the most Web standard compliant browser in Microsoft history.
If it was standards compliant at all, it would be the first version of IE that was.

- Leigh

[Frank Petronio]

I'm sure there is a good reason to use IE9. I'd love to hear it.

[Jan Pedersen]

I am sure i must have missed a lot since i never use anything but IE.
At least i don't know what i missed so life is good!

[Eric Woodbury]

This happens intermittently with Safari for me.

[Eric Rose]

If IE was standards compliant it would be called Firefox.

[Roger Cole]

This happens intermittently with Safari for me.

Likewise on Safari on my iPhone. (I HATE using the iPhone with Safari for this site or any vBulletin site but my suggestion to add Tapatalk support seemed to garner a lot of odd complaints by other people who don't want to view the site on their phone and think I'm weird because I do - fair enough, but it wouldn't impact their use and I don't care if they think I'm weird.) I use Tapatalk for APUG, FADU, and one of my pilot boards.

To the point, I've no idea why one would use IE either unless it were forced on them by an employer and they're viewing from work.

[David Luttmann]

They still make IE? No problems in Firefox.

[bobwysiwyg]

Well, I guess mine is a contrary view. I used Safari for sometime rather than earlier versions of IE. I'm running Win7 on anything but a state of the art system, security S/W up the wazoo, a backup running in the background and IE9 is much faster than Safari. What can I say?

[Kirk Gittings]

Try GoogleChrome-at least on my Mac it smokes Safari. It is easy to install and will import your bookmarks from most other browsers.

[roteague]

Try GoogleChrome-at least on my Mac it smokes Safari. It is easy to install and will import your bookmarks from most other browsers.

IE9 smokes Chrome. It does it by rendering the page in the graphics hardware, rather than software that other browsers use. I would imagine the next version of Chrome will also feature hardware acceleration. I just don't like the look and feel of Chrome.

[roteague]

Gee, I thought IE9 was supposed to be the most Web standard compliant browser in Microsoft history. I guess not? Any bets there will be a few patches in the immediate future? But then I have a MS-free Mac so it's just a, "Gee, that's nice." for me.

Funny, I have an Apple free Windows machine ... I guess that makes us even.

[roteague]

Just curious if this was an issue with the vBulletin software or not. I'll keep searching. Thanks.

[Kirk Gittings]

IE9 smokes Chrome.

Not on a Mac. Chrome smokes it like it was standing still. ;)

(IE9 won't run on Apple OS.)

[Brian C. Miller]

OK, everybody, we all realize that there are preferences. Now let's get down to troubleshooting and helping a member find a solution, OK?


For some reason, everytime I do a "New Posts" search in IE9 I get the same result "No new items". To test this, I opened Opera, ran the same query and got more than 10 pages of results.

Check your security and cookie settings. The "New Posts" button is simply a link: http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/search.php?do=getnew

So the problem isn't in the forum software, but is most likely in a user-adjustable browser setting. Therefore some cookie is not being set or read by the forum software. Take a look at your settings, or put the forum into a different security category.

[engl]

This happens to me as well running Google Chrome, it is not an IE9 issue.

As for "my browser can beat up your browser", none of the big browsers are bad, and they really aren't that different.

[Sevo]

IE9 smokes Chrome. It does it by rendering the page in the graphics hardware, rather than software that other browsers use.

No - every multitasking OS must intercept attempts to directly access the hardware. The times when you needed graphics cards drivers for each application and created a mess if a TSR drew to the screen in parallel to the main application ended with DOS...

[engl]

No - every multitasking OS must intercept attempts to directly access the hardware. The times when you needed graphics cards drivers for each application and created a mess if a TSR drew to the screen in parallel to the main application ended with DOS...

Everything is accessed though the OS, though the appropriate hardware layers. Chrome 10 and Firefox 4 also use assistance from the GPU. There are many ways to use a GPU, for example letting it do compositing (graphical) or computations through OpenCL/CUDA/DirectCompute etc.

IE9 just happened to be first to have it in a final version of their browser, the others are working on it as well. GPU assistance is being used in lots of computing intense software.

The impact will vary with the specifics of how it is implemented, it can make all the difference, or none at all. Whether or not a browser is GPU accelerated is insignificant in itself, it is the overall browser speed in actual use that matters.

[Scott Knowles]

I would have to ask what version of Safari ya'll run, but it really doesn't matter what browser and flavor you're running because much of the so-called speed are test results and the only real speed that matters is the real world and that depends on your computer, network connection, the network to any Website and the Web pages you're accessing. Put all of them in line and they're all within the speed of humans and the differences are lost or meaningless. What people think is speed, or not, is often the coding, apps and scripts in the Web pages and many Web pages using different or non-standards methods which causes browsers to perform and render pages differently. Often the more compliant the browser the less robust it is for bad Web pages.

[Ken Lee]

Be sure to flush your browser cache.

[roteague]

Not on a Mac. Chrome smokes it like it was standing still. ;)

I'll have to take your word on that. I quit using Mac's about 5 years ago.

[roteague]

Check your security and cookie settings. The "New Posts" button is simply a link: http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/search.php?do=getnew

So the problem isn't in the forum software, but is most likely in a user-adjustable browser setting. Therefore some cookie is not being set or read by the forum software. Take a look at your settings, or put the forum into a different security category.

It fails on my work computer, but I just tried another and it worked. I'll try flushing my cache and try again.

Thanks for the info,

[roteague]

Ok, deleting cookies and history seemed to work. I'll try it on my laptop when I get home. It may have something to do with upgrading from IE8 to IE9 Beta, then IE9 RC, then IE9 Release.

[roteague]

Unfortunately, the problem returned the very next time I started IE.

FWIW, IE9 has been released, and will be offered to all Windows users next week, via Windows Update. I'd be curious to know if other IE9 users here are having the same issue.

[Eric Biggerstaff]

I just got a new desktop with IE9 and am having issues. I can use any single forum but when I click on Unified View I get an error stating that "Sorry - No Matches Found." I have cleared the cache, closed and started again, cleared the browser, you name it, I still get the error when I try to open Unified View. As I said, I can open any single forum, the sales and Lounge but not Unified. Very strange.

[Marko]

I just got a new desktop with IE9 and am having issues. I can use any single forum but when I click on Unified View I get an error stating that "Sorry - No Matches Found." I have cleared the cache, closed and started again, cleared the browser, you name it, I still get the error when I try to open Unified View. As I said, I can open any single forum, the sales and Lounge but not Unified. Very strange.

I don't think that's an IE9 problem - it's been happening to me lately as well, Safari on a Mac.

When that happens, I copy the Unified View link and paste it manually in the address bar. That works just fine.

Oh, and it's not caching issue either.

[Eric Biggerstaff]

Thanks Marko, I will try that.

[R-H-]

I just got a new desktop with IE9 and am having issues. I can use any single forum but when I click on Unified View I get an error stating that "Sorry - No Matches Found." I have cleared the cache, closed and started again, cleared the browser, you name it, I still get the error when I try to open Unified View. As I said, I can open any single forum, the sales and Lounge but not Unified. Very strange.

If you are using IE9, try turning off "Enable Protected Mode" under the Security tab in Internet Options.

[Jack Dahlgren]

IE9 has a number of compatibility problems even with MS software. I'd hold off on installing it until the first service pack.

[Eric Biggerstaff]

RH!

That did it!

Thanks!

Eric

[R-H-]

Eric,
That fix worked only 1 day for me. Today, it seems like the problem returned. I think it is an issue with IE9. I agree with others that using another browser is probably what will be needed.

[Eric Biggerstaff]

Yes, you are correct, I just had the same deal. Worked one time and not again! Dang, what a mess! I might go back to IE8!

[Ken Lee]

It's not uncommon for a vendor to release software prematurely - to align with marketing schedules or some other competitive consideration. The final stage of quality assurance is done by the general public. But it's a free product - as long as you buy their Operating System that is.

[Marko]

It's not uncommon for a vendor to release software prematurely - to align with marketing schedules or some other competitive consideration. The final stage of quality assurance is done by the general public. But it's a free product - as long as you buy their Operating System that is.

So is are Chrome, Firefox and Safari. They are also platform independent, standards-aware and (mostly) bug-free. Not to mention faster and more reliable.

I am equally disgusted at the whole IE mess as user and as a web developer, but at the same time I feel that my mid-term job security has just received a significant boost. ;)

[engl]

So what is the problem with IE9?

There are several in this thread reporting the same problem with "New Posts search" using Chrome and Safari...

[roteague]

So what is the problem with IE9?

There are several in this thread reporting the same problem with "New Posts search" using Chrome and Safari...

It could be that because they are all newer and more standards compliant browsers, they are having trouble with the vBulletin javascript.

[domaz]

IE9 has several well-known issues with Javascript. IE9 interprets Javascript completely differently than earlier versions. You can force IE9 to act as IE 8 if this server side header is added:
X-UA-Compatible: IE=8

It's a good idea to add this to any websites with complex Javascript unti the fixes start rolling out.

[Kirk Gittings]

So what is the problem with IE9?

There are several in this thread reporting the same problem with "New Posts search" using Chrome and Safari...


I have not seen this in Chrome on this website, either with W7 or Mac OX10. I have seen it on LuLa since their software change.

[Leigh]

If you are using IE9, try turning off "Enable Protected Mode" under the Security tab in Internet Options.
Isn't that kinda like walking through a bad section of Detroit with $100 bills hanging out of your pockets?

IE is enough of a malware magnet with protected mode turned on.

- Leigh

[roteague]

IE9 has several well-known issues with Javascript. IE9 interprets Javascript completely differently than earlier versions. You can force IE9 to act as IE 8 if this server side header is added:
X-UA-Compatible: IE=8

It's a good idea to add this to any websites with complex Javascript unti the fixes start rolling out.

I don't think that the solution either. You can force a site to run in compatibility mode, by clicking the compatability icon on the Superbar ... it still fails. I also tried the 64bit version of IE (which uses the old javascript engine) and it also fails. I'm more convinced it's a vBulletin issue.

[Leigh]

I'm more convinced it's a vBulletin issue.
I'm active on a number of sites that use vBulletin.

I've never experienced a problem with any of them using Firefox or Safari.

So please explain how it could be a vBulletin issue???

- Leigh

[roteague]

I'm active on a number of sites that use vBulletin.

I've never experienced a problem with any of them using Firefox or Safari.

So please explain how it could be a vBulletin issue???

- Leigh

I'm inclined to believe it's a vBulletin issue because of the Firefox and Safari people who are also complaining. But, that's still a guess.

Fortunately, I also have Opera installed, otherwise the site would be unusable for me.

[Leigh]

Fortunately, I also have Opera installed, otherwise the site would be unusable for me.
So I reiterate... How could it be a vBulletin issue if Opera works?

μ$oft has a long history of distributing software that does not conform to industry standards.

- Leigh

[roteague]

So I reiterate... How could it be a vBulletin issue if Opera works?

μ$oft has a long history of distributing software that does not conform to industry standards.

- Leigh

I have no way of knowing how vBulletin is reading or interpreting the browsers headers, nor do I know how the software is configured. If the issue exists on Firefox and Safari, the obviously it's not just an IE9 issue.

[Leigh]

I have no way of knowing how vBulletin is reading or interpreting the browsers headers....
That's rather obvious.

vBulletin does not "read the browsers headers" in any sense of the word. That's not the way http works.

The browser reads the vBulletin content and interprets it... correctly or incorrectly.

- Leigh

[Mark Stahlke]

Leigh, it's not quite that simple. Web sites can and do send different code depending on the browser's user agent string. There was an amusing case a few years ago when Opera discovered MSN would send a broken style sheet to Opera users. They retaliated by releasing a special edition of Opera, The Bork Edition, that would run MSN through an encheferizer (http://www.tuco.de/home/jschef.htm). Ya gotta love a software company with a sense of humor.

Back to the issue at hand.
Roteague, can you post the full text of your user agent string? Visit http://whatsmyuseragent.com/ to find your user agent string. Mine is
Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Firefox/3.6.15 I have a user agent switcher installed in Firefox. I'll be happy to try Firefox with your user agent string. That might give us some insight into the issue.

[Eric Biggerstaff]

Mark,

Mine is

Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 9.0; Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; Trident/5.0; QwestIE8x64

I still cannot use the "Unified" forum, but I still can visit each individual forum and post. I prefer the unified version but am just not having any luck getting it to work.

Any ideas you might have would be very welcome!

Eric

[engl]

That's rather obvious.

vBulletin does not "read the browsers headers" in any sense of the word. That's not the way http works.

The browser reads the vBulletin content and interprets it... correctly or incorrectly.

- Leigh

So are you suggesting that Chrome, Safari and IE9 all fail to interpret vBulletin correctly?

That is of course not totally impossible, but I'd consider a lot more likely that there is a bug with vBulletin code not being fully standards compliant. It is a pretty common issue, code being written so that it works with flawed or too tolerant implementations of standards.

[Mark Stahlke]

Using Firefox with this user agent string:
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 9.0; Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; Trident/5.0; QwestIE8x64 Both the "Unified View" and "New Posts" links seem to work just fine.

I do notice that the "Wrap [QUOTE] tags around selected text" button in the reply editor doesn't work with the IE9 user agent string. When I changed back to my native user agent that button works.

I'm inclined to think it's something in the vBulletin software but I'm not a web developer.

[Leigh]

So are you suggesting that Chrome, Safari and IE9 all fail to interpret vBulletin correctly?
Not at all.

Safari works just fine. This reply was posted from Safari, with this agent string:
Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10_6_5; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.20.25 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.4 Safari/533.20.27

I can't comment on Chrome or IE9 since I don't use either.

I am aware that some pages serve differently to different browsers. It's an artifact of μ$oft's attempt to corner the browser market by distributing non-standard programs and forcing web developers to kludge their software to work with same. With the proliferation of browsers and μ$oft's loss of market share this is becoming much less common.

I've been writing html since it became popular. I don't consider myself a website developer since I don't spend much of my time doing such, but I do have three websites online that are completely hand-written, so I'm somewhat familiar with how they work.

- Leigh

[Leigh]

Still in Safari...

I just checked the New Posts and Unified View buttons, and they both work as expected.

- Leigh

[R-H-]

I guess 64 bit IE9 is too ahead of its time...

[Leigh]

I guess 64 bit IE9 is too ahead of its time...
Probably true.

Safari is a 64-bit app.

- Leigh

[Mike Anderson]

FWIW I use Chrome on Mac (latest, I believe 10.0.648.151) and haven't experienced any of the problems mentioned.

...Mike

[Eric Biggerstaff]

Thanks Mark, looks like I will just need to go with what I have.

[roteague]

That is of course not totally impossible, but I'd consider a lot more likely that there is a bug with vBulletin code not being fully standards compliant. It is a pretty common issue, code being written so that it works with flawed or too tolerant implementations of standards.

The site is running a pretty old version of vBulletin.

[roteague]

I guess 64 bit IE9 is too ahead of its time...

64bit IE9 uses the javascript and rendering engine. Microsoft seems to feel that because of the lack of 64bit plugins for IE, that no one would be using it. That's why the default is the 32bit version.

[Mike Anderson]

FWIW I use Chrome on Mac (latest, I believe 10.0.648.151) and haven't experienced any of the problems mentioned.

...Mike

Doh! It happened to me on Chrome on Mac - "New Posts" resulted in "Sorry no matches". I clicked again and it worked correctly.

...Mike

[Leigh]

Doh! It happened to me on Chrome on Mac - "New Posts" resulted in "Sorry no matches". I clicked again and it worked correctly.
Most likely an operator malfunction. :p

That will happen with any browser if you try to continue a previous search after the timeout period expires.

I don't know what the timeout period is, but it appears to be on the order of 10 to 15 minutes.

If you start a new search it works fine, as it did in your case.

- Leigh

[Brian C. Miller]

I was just forced by IT policy to upgrade to IE9, and now "Unified View" and "New Posts" are both messed up.

[Ralph Barker]

I was just forced by IT policy to upgrade to IE9, and now "Unified View" and "New Posts" are both messed up.

Tch, tch, tch, Brian. Reading forums at work? ;)

[Brian C. Miller]

A compile run takes a while, and it's not long enough to jump over to another coding project.

[roteague]

A compile run takes a while, and it's not long enough to jump over to another coding project.

I do the same, although I spend most of my downtime on Twitter.

[Eric Biggerstaff]

All of a sudden everything is working! Not sure what happened but I no longer have issues (with the LF Forum site that is!).

[Eric Biggerstaff]

Well, all good things must come to an end. Once again today, New Posts and Unified View are not working. Dang!

[falth j]

Regarding Vista-64 and ie-9, since running both of these programs, I've had dozens and dozens of compatibility issues depending on the site I've visited.

I often get messages saying I need updated java and adobe programs, and when I download and run the 'newer' versions of those programs, they won't run or install correctly in vista-64.

I've used almost every version of ms windows since day-one.

Everytime I've downloaded patches and fixes, it usually means the system over time is overwhelmed and operates slower and slower and ..... s l o w e r

Mess after mess after mess...

so what's that spiel about 'new and improved'?

'Improved' for what?

Remember the days when machine code ran blindingly fast on really simple, slow processors?

[Roger Cole]

Vista is a complete POS. M$ realized this and got Win7 out pronto. I've had no real problems (aside from some old programs that won't run) with Win 7 since starting to run it in November.

I hate the new start menu so I replaced it with this:

http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/

I still have some annoyance factor with "Microsoft had to fix what wasn't broken and move this function to some odd place over there, for no apparent reason other than that could" but it's functioned well and been stable.

[Kirk Gittings]

Vista was the worst-much worse than XP. I was sorry I upgraded. W7 works pretty damn good. I hated the new start menu for W7 too but got used to it pretty quick.

[roteague]

Vista is a complete POS.

I ran Vista from the day it was released until Windows 7 came out. I had no problems at all. I found Vista's problems to be over blown, media hype.

[Roger Cole]

I ran Vista from the day it was released until Windows 7 came out. I had no problems at all. I found Vista's problems to be over blown, media hype.

Are you sure?

Are you sure you're sure?

Do you really want to say that?

Are you sure you're sure you really want to say that?

;)

[Eric James]

Recently, one of the War and Peace monkeys made it as far as Book 12 Chapter 5 but typed: "Well then, remember, this is not a leifhsa7..."

[roteague]

Are you sure?

Are you sure you're sure?

Do you really want to say that?

Are you sure you're sure you really want to say that?

;)

Not only will I say it, I was using a laptop with non-standard hardware - one with a full multi-touch screen. Never had any problems with it. I've since upgraded it to Windows 7.

[Roger Cole]

Not only will I say it, I was using a laptop with non-standard hardware - one with a full multi-touch screen. Never had any problems with it. I've since upgraded it to Windows 7.

Cool, glad to know it worked for someone. I wasn't actually questioning your experience just making a play on the way Vista has an absolutely annoying (to many people) way of almost insisting at times that you really don't want it to do what you just told it to do. Much of that can be hacked out but you shouldn't have to do so.

[Bill Burk]

I want to add to this thread: I saw where turning off the checkmark "Enable Protected Mode" solves the problem. But I don't want my kids to get any more fake alerts, the kind that gets past the best virus scanning software.

So I thought it through.

What sites are the ones where my kids are getting hit by fake alerts - that's right - sites with so many ads that even a responsible organization would have trouble vetting them all.

What does this website not have in common with those sites. Trick question. That's right - no ads.

I added this website to my trusted sites list, and kept the protected mode enabled.

So far seems to have solved the issue.

[Bill Burk]

Well, it didn't hold.

[Bill Burk]

Found out I have to delete temporary files to make this work.

So I've found an Internet Options setting for IE9 that I think is promising.

Browsing History, Settings
Delete...
Select checkmark in front of "Temporary Internet Files" and leave the others blank.
Click "Delete" and allow to finish.

Then select the checkmark under Browsing history:
Delete browsing history on exit.

I'll try that for a while and let you know, but I think that is the solution

[Jim Michael]

History works fine on vBulletin 3.8.5 with IE 9 (e.g. DVInfo.net), and this site appears to be running 3.6.4, so could be there is code (css, js, whatever) being used that IE 9 can't handle correctly.

[lbenac]

Does anybody has found a solution to IE9 not working with "New Posts"/VBulletin or vice-versa?

Cheers,

Luc

[Bill Burk]

My posts #77 and #79 solve the problem for a while.

Then when the browser stops finding results, I close it and reopen it and I am back in business.

So it's a workaround that gets me by.

[lbenac]

My posts #77 and #79 solve the problem for a while.

Then when the browser stops finding results, I close it and reopen it and I am back in business.

So it's a workaround that gets me by.

I had missed post #77, it seems to work for me. #79 did not.

Thanks a lot.

Luc

[Bill Burk]

The key to making #79 work is "Delete browsing history on exit.''

Then every time the search returns empty, I exit.

[lbenac]

The key to making #79 work is "Delete browsing history on exit.''

Then every time the search returns empty, I exit.

Very strange, yesterday this was working but this morning out of a fresh reboot, it does not work anymore. Go figure...

[bobwysiwyg]

I've been following this thread, have the same problem. However, if I exit IE9 and restart it, it's fine. However, why is this necessary? This is the only site where this is a problem. :confused: :confused:

[lbenac]

Still not working even when applying #77 and #79. I have restarted IE9 more times than I can think about.

[Eric Biggerstaff]

Mine still does not work and I too have found it only occurs with this site.

[Brian Ellis]

No problems using Firefox.

[lbenac]

With Firefox 4.01, the new posts work but the Quick Links does not....go figure.

[jon.oman]

I just got a new computer with Windows 7 Pro 64 bit. It came with IE9. The first time into the site, New Posts did not work, but Unified View did. Any more thoughts on how to fix this?

[Ralph Barker]

As mentioned in other threads discussing this issue, we'll be upgrading to the current version of vBulletin in the next few weeks. In the interim, the current version of Firefox (9.0.1) works fine.

[jon.oman]

As mentioned in other threads discussing this issue, we'll be upgrading to the current version of vBulletin in the next few weeks. In the interim, the current version of Firefox (9.0.1) works fine.

Thanks for the response! I'll wait until the new version is out. I can use my old computer with IE8 to view this site in the meantime.