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Emil Schildt
2-Feb-2010, 03:46
Pictures, that is..
I have several heliar lenses, and there is a lot of talk about these lenses and how great they are..

On occasion we see an image made with a heliar, but I miss a thread, where all the images submitted are done with a heliar lens.

I would like to have a place, where I could go to see - wonder - and show students and others what the fuss is all about..

So show your Heliar images here.
(Heliar/Dynar/universal heliar)


I look foreward to see some amazing stuff.

eddie
2-Feb-2010, 04:44
Pictures, that is..
I have several heliar lenses, and there is a lot of talk about these lenses and how great they are..

On occasion we see an image made with a heliar, but I miss a thread, where all the images submitted are done with a heliar lens.

I would like to have a place, where I could go to see - wonder - and show students and others what the fuss is all about..

So show your Heliar images here.
(Heliar/Dynar/universal heliar)


I look forward to see some amazing stuff.

you forgot to post your image......

Emil Schildt
2-Feb-2010, 05:03
you forgot to post your image......

no I didn't...;)

As said, I have a bundle of these lenses, but actually not too many images (yet).

Ken Lee
2-Feb-2010, 08:44
Amazing stuff ? Probably not. But nice, perhaps.

Here are two portraits, at a size which at least shows the look. Both were made with a old single-coated 210mm Braunschweig Heliar, on 4x5 TMY.

One (http://www.kennethleegallery.com/html/tech/still3.html) Two (http://www.kennethleegallery.com/html/tech/still4.html)

Here are a few 4x5 flower shots. These were probably made with an uncoated 150mm Heliar, but I can't be sure because I don't take notes.

One (http://www.kennethleegallery.com/html/tech/still6.html) Two (http://www.kennethleegallery.com/html/tech/still7.html)

I have a few images made with a 300mm on 5x7 if you'd like. What I like about them is that they open to f/4.5, so are easy to focus, they are very sharp when desired, and have some slightly exaggerated aberrations when open past f/8. These shots were all made at f/8 or smaller. I don't care much for "portrait lenses" or the "wide open" look - but I do appreciate the more understated mixture of qualities, which these lenses give.

Emil Schildt
2-Feb-2010, 08:52
Amazing stuff ? Probably not. But nice, perhaps.

Here are two portraits at a size which at least shows the look. Both made with an old 210mm Braunschweig Heliar, on 4x5 TMY.

One (http://www.kenleegallery.com/html/tech/still3.html)

Two (http://www.kenleegallery.com/html/tech/still4.html)

Thanks Ken.

now - this is what I mean..

great images, to show why you love the heliar's.

Great images Ken. I like the rendering of the pictures.

Bill_1856
2-Feb-2010, 08:59
An interestng paradox: prints from a Heliar appear incredibly sharp, yet if the negative is examined under magnification it appears soft. I don't understand it at all.

Ken Lee
2-Feb-2010, 10:36
It was Jim Galli's work that piqued my interest.

See http://tonopahpictures.0catch.com/JustusPortraits/Justus.html (the third image in particular)...

...and the portraits of Aaron & Clair here: http://tonopahpictures.0catch.com/405Kodak18PlastigEtc042907/WeekendsWork.html

Those show the "classic" Heliar look, with sharp focus, and sharp drop-off. It's a gentle 3-dimensional rendering, without the exaggerated dreaminess of Pictorialism.

Hugo Zhang
2-Feb-2010, 11:13
Some pictures I made with a 36cm Heliar a few years ago.

http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1005&d=1162354094

http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3714&d=1179627899

http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1007&d=1162354273

http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1009&d=1162354404

Moetada
2-Feb-2010, 15:33
Some pictures I made with a 36cm Heliar a few years ago.

http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1005&d=1162354094


Nice capture, these lenses are great.

Dan Fromm
2-Feb-2010, 16:09
An interestng paradox: prints from a Heliar appear incredibly sharp, yet if the negative is examined under magnification it appears soft. I don't understand it at all.Bill, this is what people say about shots taken with the legendary 105/3.7 Ektar, a Heliar type. I've had two, of which I still have one, and I can't honestly say that I see the effect. They're just plain soft.

I also shoot Apo-Saphirs, which are (choose one) graphic arts Heliars or Apo-Skopars (same thing even though jes' plain Skopars are tessar types) and they're sharp as can be.

But then, I was born ignorant and am a birthright barbarian.

Cheers,

Dan

Harley Goldman
2-Feb-2010, 16:36
Here is one made with a 210mm Heliar.

http://www.harleygoldman.com/photo/freesia/

Emil Schildt
3-Feb-2010, 17:27
Ok - I just made a couple of portraits, using a Heliar 250mm F6.5

Pol 665 solarized (I don't know whether the characteristics of the Heliar shows...

http://www.phosee.dk/pictures/00000172/095-monika-01_800x600.jpg

and one not solarized

(both painted with light)

http://www.phosee.dk/pictures/00000172/096-monika-02_800x600.jpg

Bill_1856
3-Feb-2010, 17:32
Bill, this is what people say about shots taken with the legendary 105/3.7 Ektar, a Heliar type. I've had two, of which I still have one, and I can't honestly say that I see the effect. They're just plain soft.

I also shoot Apo-Saphirs, which are (choose one) graphic arts Heliars or Apo-Skopars (same thing even though jes' plain Skopars are tessar types) and they're sharp as can be.

But then, I was born ignorant and am a birthright barbarian.

Cheers,

Dan

Dan, my 105/3.7 Ektar makes prints so sharp that I'm afraid of cutting myself if I handle it, but the negative definitely looks mushy. Very strange. I don't know what it would look like if it were scanned.

Jim Galli
6-Feb-2010, 22:32
Ok - I just made a couple of portraits, using a Heliar 250mm F6.5

Pol 665 solarized (I don't know whether the characteristics of the Heliar shows...



and one not solarized

(both painted with light)



What a gorgeous girl. I doubt there's a lens on earth that could make her look bad. Wonderful work, and seriously the softness in the second one is just perfect for her.

Ken Lee
7-Feb-2010, 06:20
I think that the Heliar look is shown best when both sharp and blur are present in the same photo, preferably along an edge.

In Harley's photo (http://www.harleygoldman.com/photo/freesia/), (as in Jim's) it adds to the photo, but does not overwhelm or replace the original subject. Like a spice, a little goes a long way.

Here's one of mine, where the effect may have been taken too far (http://www.kenleegallery.com/images/flowers/83.jpg).

gbogatko
7-Feb-2010, 09:03
I have a 300mm Heliar, and am still exploring what it can do. Nothing comes close to what Ken Lee has done, but I'm trying.
Both are on xray film cut down to 4x5, for that old-time high contrast look.

http://www.inluxeditions.com/hidden/Heliar-1.jpg

and this one shows that magic 3D look that these things can produce.

http://www.inluxeditions.com/hidden/Heliar-2.jpg

George

Ken Lee
7-Feb-2010, 09:39
George -

These images are lovely, with real feeling. What size film are you shooting with the 300 ?

Compliments are certainly appreciated ! Truthfully, I have just been borrowing from others on this forum, using whatever seems to work. We can learn freely from one another in this environment, at a highly accelerated rate - and you can't beat the price either :)

In the first picture, I really like the rendition of the "blurry disks". Not only how uniform they are, and circular, but also how well they work within the image, taking it to another level so to speak.

When shooting this way, I check a variety of apertures - and almost never shoot wide open - to find just the right the degree of blur and depth of field, where the parts of the image begin to resonate with one another, rather then just sit there. I think the first image does that extremely well. For my 2 cents, it gets the "Bravo Maestro" award !

gbogatko
7-Feb-2010, 09:58
George -

These images are lovely, with real feeling. What size film are you shooting with the 300 ?
I'm using it on both 8x10 and 4x5. With closeups like these, the 8x10 has narrower DOF because you need to get closer to fill the frame. With 4x5, you can stand back a little more. So it depends mainly on what I feel like doing that day. I haven't even begun to plumb the depths of what this thing can do. It's truly a unique lens.


Compliments are certainly appreciated !
Well, I really mean them. I am constantly astonished by how controlled the tones are in your shots -- pure velvet.


For my 2 cents, it gets the "Bravo Maestro" award !
:):):)

George

Ken Lee
7-Feb-2010, 10:12
The nice tones are there because I keep learning, slowly over time, to just "forgettaboutit", unless nice tones are already in the subject.

I have mentioned this before, but my father's clarinet teacher emphasized the importance of tone over all other musical qualities, telling him that "people will like just about anything you play, as long as the tone is beautiful".

That's one of the advantages of working with film. While digital shooters can just spray and pray, the added time and effort of film processing makes us learn faster from our mistakes - they sting.

Stephane
7-Feb-2010, 13:14
After pretty girls and flowers, here's a portrait of Øystein Wolf, a Norwegian poet. Shot with a 300mm heliar from 1922 (I plan to go next June to take a portrait with that lens of my grandfather who was born that same year).

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2802/4096494684_4ac6e26581_o.jpg

Ramiro Elena
7-Feb-2010, 15:36
I saw these on your Flickr, Stephane. It's an amazing series of portraits, they've stuck in my head ever since I saw them. I thought they were Velostigmat though (from your tags I guess...)

Stephane
7-Feb-2010, 23:13
Not just one lens: only one photo with velostigmat (Kenton). only one with heliar (that one), the others with some petzval or other things. On the real print of this portrait, the zipper goes in and out of focus so nicely...

Stephane
8-Apr-2010, 12:31
There are few new threads dealing with the universal Heliar and it is difficult to find any picture taken with this lens. I just want to see the effects of diffusion. Is the price tag justified? Any one has any photo to share?

Stephane
22-Apr-2010, 00:23
As I see it, universal heliar are popular for the barrel guys who rave about silkiness or whatever legendary attributes to the produced images. However, these images are kept secret (maybe not to destroy the universal heliar myth) and no one wants to post one image, even if the heliar qualities are (too) much talked about. Well, guys, I just acquired one heavy-for-the-size 300mm universal heliar (it was thrown in a sinar kit for free with other 4 lenses, for very decent price). I promiss that you good people will see what an image taken with a universal heliar looks like with max-fuzz. And if this will destroy the myth, so be it.
By the way, I got a very nice Lynkeioskope Goerz 480mm (serie C) extra rapid (f/6.3) from 1897 which is supposed to be like a Euryscope for very nice price. I will mount it this evening! It has a beautiful yellowish barrel, similar to the shiny look of a cooke lens.

Miguel Coquis
22-Apr-2010, 00:47
......By the way, I got a very nice Lynkeioskope Goerz 480mm (serie C) extra rapid (f/6.3) from 1897 which is supposed to be like a Euryscope for very nice price. I will mount it this evening! It has a beautiful yellowish barrel, similar to the shiny look of a cooke lens.

Yes !
Would be interesting to see some work done with this "mysterious" (Lynkeioskope Goerz 480mm (serie C) extra rapid (f/6.3) from 1897 ) lens...
Must be heavy glass !
Thanks

Paul Fitzgerald
22-Apr-2010, 17:42
"By the way, I got a very nice Lynkeioskope Goerz 480mm (serie C) extra rapid (f/6.3) from 1897 which is supposed to be like a Euryscope for very nice price. I will mount it this evening! It has a beautiful yellowish barrel, similar to the shiny look of a cooke lens."

Stephane I have it's twin, it's sharper than the Euryscopes, ruthlessly sharp, nice contrast and well color corrected. :D

the Universal Heliar 300 is perfect on 5x7 and fun to play with, mine is a late model and coated. You should have all your questions answered with it, I don't think you'll sell it EVER. :eek:

Hope you like them.

Anders Korhonen
22-Apr-2010, 21:52
Easter witches, Technika-Heliar 21cm @4.5

dsphotog
23-Apr-2010, 00:24
Great stuff!
Tonal rendering is remarkable!
I'm wondering what is the look wide open vs stopping down. I would like to see a comparison, shot at different apertures.
Happy shooting!

Anders Korhonen
23-Apr-2010, 01:58
Easy, it gets even sharper =) Though mine is very sharp at 4.5 already, and it seems it only gets marginally better stopping down. I have some undeveloped flower shots shot between 4.5-7.1 apertures that I can post when I get to it, I'm interested in this also, as I've owned the lens only for some months now.

Anders

Stephane
2-May-2010, 00:30
Universal Heliar 300mm f/6.3, maxfuz, and max bellow stretch to fill the 8x10 gg (this heavy lens was in her face and had to wipe off the nose marks from the front cell).
right eye is sharp, left eye is nicely soft and detailed.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4045/4569849805_66b355cbbd_o.jpg

Songyun
2-May-2010, 08:35
Universal Heliar 300mm f/6.3, maxfuz, and max bellow stretch to fill the 8x10 gg (this heavy lens was in her face and had to wipe off the nose marks from the front cell).
right eye is sharp, left eye is nicely soft and detailed.



Oh, no...... now I have to get a UNIVERSAL heliar.

Ken Lee
2-May-2010, 09:17
It's hard to top Universal, but if we consider alternate dimensions, then there can be many universes, therefore many Universal Heliars.

Thus, the Extra-Universal Heliar. The blur they give, is... out of this world.

Perhaps Jim Galli can hook us up with a little green vendor :)

Tony Karnezis
2-May-2010, 09:39
I think that the Heliar look is shown best when both sharp and blur are present in the same photo, preferably along an edge.

In Harley's photo (http://www.harleygoldman.com/photo/freesia/), (as in Jim's) it adds to the photo, but does not overwhelm or replace the original subject. Like a spice, a little goes a long way.

Here's one of mine, where the effect may have been taken too far (http://www.kenleegallery.com/html/flowers/83.html).

I disagree Ken. I really like that image. I remember when you first posted it.

Armin Seeholzer
2-May-2010, 10:29
If you also an APUGer then you can see here my portrait of a young woman with my Universal Heliar 360mm.
http://www.apug.org/gallery1/showimage.php?i=19980&catid=member&orderby=dateline&direction=DESC&imageuser=189&cutoffdate=-1

Hugo Zhang
2-May-2010, 14:18
Armin,

Can you post that picture here? I have an Universal Heliar 360mm and I have not tried it yet.

Thanks,
Hugo

Emil Schildt
2-May-2010, 15:49
Armin,

Can you post that picture here? I have an Universal Heliar 360mm and I have not tried it yet.

Thanks,
Hugo

then sell it to me..:D

Armin Seeholzer
2-May-2010, 15:54
Okay this is the Universal Heliar pic at f 8 if I remember correctly!
SF was not in use.

Cheers Armin

Hugo Zhang
2-May-2010, 16:14
Armin,

Very nice! When SF is NOT in use, any difference with regular Heliar?

I know, I know, I could try to find the answer myself, I am just lazy. But your picture is wonderful indeed and thanks for posting it.

Hugo

Allen in Montreal
2-May-2010, 17:03
Okay this is the Universal Heliar pic at f 8 if I remember correctly!
SF was not in use.

Cheers Armin

Very nice. Soft, subtle, sexy.

Songyun
2-May-2010, 19:42
Armin,

Can you post that picture here? I have an Universal Heliar 360mm and I have not tried it yet.

Thanks,
Hugo

how many goodies do you have? hmmm...

Stephane
27-May-2010, 13:43
Anna Lena, my first model :)

universal heliar 300 f/4.5 maxfuz

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4067/4645863976_8a262c5733_o.jpg

Stephane
28-May-2010, 13:02
OK, another one of Anna Lena outside, not far from my apartment. Cant remember the aperture, even if it was 2 days ago...
Focus looks a bit off...
Universal Heliar 300mm maxfuz

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4015/4645249731_a244e97d5a_o.jpg

Stephane
15-Jun-2010, 12:55
Same settings: Universal Heliar 300 f/4.5 maxfuzz, overexposed 1.5 stops and souped in rodinal 1:100 for 12mn at 17degC constant agitation.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1281/4704259878_cb6114cfa9_b.jpg
Natasha

Jim Galli
7-Aug-2010, 19:57
http://tonopahpictures.0catch.com/1929_Phaeton/Glens1929/RoadsterandPumpHeliarS.jpg
model a roadster and gas pump

Done with 810 2D and 36cm Heliar. Just the look I was after. f22 - ish iirc

Eddie, this is the one I got from you. Not pretty, but I love looking through it.

Dave Wooten
7-Aug-2010, 20:15
Nice. I like the background rendition of the lens also.

ljsegil
8-Aug-2010, 11:02
A couple with the 210mm Heliar roaming the wilds. Shot at f/4.5 on Kodak E100VS with a 4x5 Linhof MT. I think some of the image is sharp, I know some of it isn't, I hope the manner of the transition may be pleasing.
Larry

jss
8-Aug-2010, 11:55
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3098/3174859077_ba03d2ea17.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/schlachet/3174859077/

400NC shot through a voigtlander heliar 210/4.5

Jim Galli
8-Aug-2010, 12:02
Wow, the color work is very beautiful, both.

ljsegil
15-Aug-2010, 15:28
A little more color from the 210 Heliar, f/16 of all the ridiculous apertures to use with this lens, but sometimes something sharp is nice too, Canham 5x7 with Provia.
Larry

Jim Galli
15-Aug-2010, 15:39
A little more color from the 210 Heliar, f/16 of all the ridiculous apertures to use with this lens, but sometimes something sharp is nice too, Canham 5x7 with Provia.
Larry

Very beautiful. F16 is perfect with the background so far removed as that.

Stephane
12-Sep-2010, 23:21
Heliar 300mm @ f/4.5
8x10 sinar norma - fomapan 200 (4 left now...)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4149/4975114874_b01cf8fdf7_b.jpg

Anders Korhonen
13-Sep-2010, 01:02
snapshot with cambo sc, tech-heliar 21cm wideopen or 5,6 and feeling brave with adox chs25, exposure 4-5 sec

Anders

eddie
13-Sep-2010, 03:00
some how i missed this thread last month!




Eddie, this is the one I got from you. Not pretty, but I love looking through it.

great shot jm. i knew you would get that baby shooting perfectly!


A couple with the 210mm Heliar roaming the wilds. Shot at f/4.5 on Kodak E100VS with a 4x5 Linhof MT. I think some of the image is sharp, I know some of it isn't, I hope the manner of the transition may be pleasing.
Larry

larry, the second is wonderful. makes me want to shoot some E6 before it is too late!

Jim Galli
13-Sep-2010, 09:55
http://tonopahpictures.0catch.com/1929_Phaeton/NuShus/BandWHeliarS.jpg
model a ford in it's natural environment

36CM Heliar on 6.5X8.5

John Jarosz
13-Sep-2010, 10:18
Sorry to break in with a dumb question, and I'm not rying to hijack, but:

Are the Heliars used in the images in this thread the same type of lens currently marketed by Voigtlander for 35mm? Or is it just a name that doesn't convey any characteristics? I realize that the heliars used with LF are much longer than the 35mm variety.

Thanks

John

Jim Galli
13-Sep-2010, 10:25
John, there is great consistency among the Heliars of old that cover 3/4 of a century for Large Format. Cosina obviously bought the name for it's recognition but I doubt these modern wide angles have anything at all in common with the old Standard.

feppe
13-Sep-2010, 11:34
Thanks for the color photos!

Another newbie question: there is a so-called "Color-Heliar" lens which I believe is for MF. Is there a reason why the non-color Heliars shouldn't/couldn't be used for slide color photography with 4x5?

Math
13-Sep-2010, 12:33
John, there is great consistency among the Heliars of old that cover 3/4 of a century for Large Format. Cosina obviously bought the name for it's recognition but I doubt these modern wide angles have anything at all in common with the old Standard.
Just like Tele-Tessars aren't true Tessars, Super-Wide Heliars aren't true heliars.
However, the 50mm Heliar and 75mm f2.5 Heliar are true heliars in formula.
The new 75mm f1.8 Heliar 'Classic' is a heliar with a modified center element, not truly the same formula as before.
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/745/2009931838201.jpg
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/8649/cosinavoigalenderheliar.jpg
Slighty off-topic yet on-topic: I have a lovely 18cm Heliar of which the front element has some fungus, yet when screwed off I can't get the rear part of the front element screwed off at all! :( Any idea?

Jay Decker
1-Jan-2011, 18:52
Enjoyed a little time playing around with "The Photographer" on the light table this afternoon and found how well some of my older lenses compare to modern lenses... the image on the left was taken with a Universal Heliar and the image on the right was taken with a G-Claron. The G-Claron image is sharper, but the Heliar holds it own - even close uip.


http://webpages.charter.net/monkeytumble/lensboards/Scan-110101-0001-Edit.jpg http://webpages.charter.net/monkeytumble/lensboards/Scan-110101-0003-Edit.jpg

William Whitaker
1-Jan-2011, 20:07
Interesting placement of the "photographer's" rather well-endowed lens...

mandoman7
1-Jan-2011, 20:56
http://images43.fotki.com/v504/photos/2/1219782/7565497/Robt_1-vi.jpg
Bob

http://images12.fotki.com/v254/photos/2/1219782/7565497/alan5x1a-vi.jpg
Alan

Here's a couple from a 11 3/4" Heliar (#5), taken over the holidays. The first, my brother Bob, was shot wide open with the 8x10 back on my 2D. Alan, my harmonica player, was shot at F:8 with a 5x7 back on the 2D. Trying to get comfortable with the outfit and make some choices for an upcoming project.

Paul Fitzgerald
1-Jan-2011, 21:32
Ken Lee :
"It's hard to top Universal, but if we consider alternate dimensions, then there can be many universes, therefore many Universal Heliars.

Thus, the Extra-Universal Heliar. The blur they give, is... out of this world. "

I have 240/4.5 Heliars in barrel and shutter. The spacing in the shutter is 10mm greater than the barrel. It is seriously softer in the shutter down to f/16 :eek:

Hope it's a help.

Jim Galli
1-Jan-2011, 23:00
Ken Lee :
"It's hard to top Universal, but if we consider alternate dimensions, then there can be many universes, therefore many Universal Heliars.

Thus, the Extra-Universal Heliar. The blur they give, is... out of this world. "

I have 240/4.5 Heliars in barrel and shutter. The spacing in the shutter is 10mm greater than the barrel. It is seriously softer in the shutter down to f/16 :eek:

Hope it's a help.

10mm??!! That ain't right. Something happened in it's long history if it's 10mm different than a lens in factory barrel.

Jim Galli
1-Jan-2011, 23:26
Alan

Here's a couple from a 11 3/4" Heliar (#5), taken over the holidays. The first, my brother Bob, was shot wide open with the 8x10 back on my 2D. Alan, my harmonica player, was shot at F:8 with a 5x7 back on the 2D. Trying to get comfortable with the outfit and make some choices for an upcoming project.

John, that image of your brother is just wonderful.

cjbroadbent
2-Jan-2011, 05:42
John, that portrait of your brother is wonderful. The delicacy of the lens and the light are an inspiration.

mandoman7
2-Jan-2011, 06:43
Thanks Jim & Christopher. Nice to get a nudge from 2 of my favorite shooters.
If you can handle my brother, and I knew that would be a challenge, perhaps one of my mom is postable. Like most of our shots here, its starts out with a desire to see how a lens handles certain gradations, and then other things occasionally happen.

http://images16.fotki.com/v3/photos/2/1219782/7565497/Mom1210-vi.jpg

Kodak 2D; tmx100/pmk: Heliar 11 3/4" at F:4.5

cjbroadbent
2-Jan-2011, 07:11
There's more to these shots than just a Heliar and pmk.

Jim Galli
2-Jan-2011, 13:13
There's more to these shots than just a Heliar and pmk.

+1 love the light. Beautifully done.

Hugo Zhang
2-Jan-2011, 20:55
Thanks Jim & Christopher. Nice to get a nudge from 2 of my favorite shooters.
If you can handle my brother, and I knew that would be a challenge, perhaps one of my mom is postable
Kodak 2D; tmx100/pmk: Heliar 11 3/4" at F:4.5

John,

I like this one a lot!!! My mom does not like my pictures of her, too many winkles. This one is a keeper.

hugo

Jan Pedersen
2-Jan-2011, 21:05
John, You take photos like you play guitar and that is quite good ;)

eddie
3-Jan-2011, 03:45
Kodak 2D; tmx100/pmk: Heliar 11 3/4" at F:4.5

very nice. what film size?

eddie

mandoman7
3-Jan-2011, 04:47
Thanks Eddie, Jan, Hugo, Chris, Jim.
I was struck during the visit by how much she was enjoying herself at 86. I think she's amused that she's still able to get around and do most of what she likes to do.
The Heliar is #64994, ca 1900(?), 8x10 format w/slight trim on the sides.

Emil Schildt
18-May-2011, 11:37
reviving an older thread.

A trusting member of this community was so kind to lend me his old Voigtlander Universal Heliar (30cm)..

I have been wanting one for a long while, so this was a fantastic opputunity to try this baby out...

Unfortunately the soft focus ring is very stiff, but I managed to move it to "5 (full soft).

I can't believe how difficult it was to focus on the screen!!

But I think I got it..

I am not intirely sure that the size I chose (18x24cm) was good... I think it would look better in 5x7 (13x18), so next time....

Gandolfi precision 18x24cm - universal Heliar at 5 - F4.5 - Paper negative.

the first is Virginia from Brazil:

http://www.apug.org/gallery1/files/4/8/8/7/virginia2a.jpg

the next is Betti from Hungary:

http://www.apug.org/gallery1/files/4/8/8/7/betti4a.jpg

BTW: it is my B'day today - this was my gift for my self....

Ole Tjugen
18-May-2011, 12:05
BTW: it is my B'day today - this was my gift for my self....

Happy birthday, Emil. And to your brother too, of course! Seems that you know what present to give yourself without our help!

Ramiro Elena
18-May-2011, 12:12
Happy birthday and... great portraits, Emil. Betti is such a good model. Love all the shots of her you made.

Scott Walker
18-May-2011, 12:36
Very nice Emil, and happy birthday

Steven Tribe
18-May-2011, 13:21
Well done Emil! I now have full instructions about how to clean the internal threads of the soft mechanism so it will be better for the next loan period!
And congrats with birthday.
Look forward to seing more!

Emil Schildt
19-May-2011, 11:37
one more of Virginia.

Again: Paper negative - Gandolfi precision 18x24 (cropped to 18x18) - Voigtlander Universal Heliar Full soft - full aperture...

http://www.apug.org/gallery1/files/4/8/8/7/virginia6.jpg

Joe Forks
19-May-2011, 13:29
Emil, this is great!

Steven Tribe
19-May-2011, 13:56
What do the girls think about the images.
Are they as pleased as we are?
Their comments would be fun and give some idea as to whether these objectives have a glowing future!
The two pictures of Virginia show very different facets of her personality (or whatever?).

Emil Schildt
25-Jul-2011, 14:03
I FINALLY got lucky!!

Even though I am so thankfull for Steven to loan me his Universal-heliar, I still wanted one for my self...
..and got it!

In almost mint condition.

Here are the two first tries.

Kristina was my pationt model.

First one with the soft focus turned on 4:

http://www.apug.org/gallery1/files/4/8/8/7/kristina-u-heliar---4.jpg

and here on full soft (5)

Both done on F 5.6 on 13x18cm film

http://www.apug.org/gallery1/files/4/8/8/7/kristina-u-heliar---5.jpg

I am going to use this lens a lot!!

Zaitz
25-Jul-2011, 19:08
Wow those are great, especially the first.

Asher Kelman
25-Jul-2011, 20:09
I also shoot Apo-Saphirs, which are (choose one) graphic arts Heliars or Apo-Skopars (same thing even though jes' plain Skopars are tessar types) and they're sharp as can be.

But then, I was born ignorant and am a birthright barbarian.

Cheers,

Dan

Dan,

For someone who was born ignorant, you managed to corner a lot of the Apo-Saphirs! hope you can post pictures!

Asher

russyoung
27-Jul-2011, 18:39
beautiful images, Emil. I was pretty unconvinced that a Universal was worth its weight in palladium but you have proven the point. thanks.

russ

Emil Schildt
28-Jul-2011, 04:29
beautiful images, Emil. I was pretty unconvinced that a Universal was worth its weight in palladium but you have proven the point. thanks.

russ

:p

I don' tknow th egoing rate for palladium these days... But this lens is a keeper for sure!
Not only is is in a beautiful state, with handles and everything - it looks also so nice in sharp mode...

If I only had to have one lens.... this would be a good choise..

Jay Decker
1-Aug-2011, 11:00
http://monkeytumble.com/tmp/Sharon.jpg

Sharon

8x10 Kodak 2D
36cm Heliar - Wide Open
8x10 Efke 25 in HC-110
Kennewick, WA

Alex Hollmann
5-Aug-2011, 00:31
Taken with 36cm Voigtländer Heliar on 8X10 of my son in his favourite costume. I don't remember the f stop, but probably f8 - f11. I love this lens, but it's hard to take pictures of a 5 yr old with it without any shutter.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/alexhollmann/5539467126/in/photostream

thrice
10-Aug-2011, 16:32
Is this deliberately stereoscopic Jay? If I go cross-eyed and sit far enough back it's quite 3D :)


Enjoyed a little time playing around with "The Photographer" on the light table this afternoon and found how well some of my older lenses compare to modern lenses... the image on the left was taken with a Universal Heliar and the image on the right was taken with a G-Claron. The G-Claron image is sharper, but the Heliar holds it own - even close uip.


http://webpages.charter.net/monkeytumble/lensboards/Scan-110101-0001-Edit.jpg http://webpages.charter.net/monkeytumble/lensboards/Scan-110101-0003-Edit.jpg

Jay Decker
10-Aug-2011, 17:55
Is this deliberately stereoscopic Jay? If I go cross-eyed and sit far enough back it's quite 3D :)

Nope. Just swapped lens on the old 8x10 Century Universal Camera...

Asher Kelman
10-Aug-2011, 21:40
Is this deliberately stereoscopic Jay? If I go cross-eyed and sit far enough back it's quite 3D :)

To judge this, it could be better to have the same background projected as that impacts our experience of depth.

Asher

Zaitz
18-Aug-2011, 23:00
I don't think this one lives up to the Heliar name but I wanted to try the Instant film.

Fuji Instant FP-100c45:
http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/371/img316copy.jpg
300mm f4.5 1/4sec

And so this thread is a decent catalog of Heliar images here is an older one:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2057/5823541268_62dc36b774_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/zboumeester/5823541268/in/set-72157626457305442)

Maris Rusis
19-Aug-2011, 17:51
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6075/6040303331_27ce1e8101_b.jpg
Melaleucas and Sedges

Gelatin-silver photograph on Agfa MCC 111 VC FB, image size 19.6cm X 24.5cm, from a 4x5 TriX Pan Professional negative exposed in a Tachihara 45GF field view camera fitted with a Voigtlander Heliar 21cm f4.5 lens.

bvaughn4
19-Aug-2011, 18:32
Zack, that second image is awesome! It really makes me want to keep looking at it!

Zaitz
19-Aug-2011, 20:00
Zack, that second image is awesome! It really makes me want to keep looking at it!

Thank you! I am hoping the drum scan looks great. I may decide to get a jumbo print for my dad.

Harley Goldman
19-Aug-2011, 20:37
I don't think this one lives up to the Heliar name but I wanted to try the Instant film.

Fuji Instant FP-100c45:
http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/371/img316copy.jpg
300mm f4.5 1/4sec

And so this thread is a decent catalog of Heliar images here is an older one:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2057/5823541268_62dc36b774_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/zboumeester/5823541268/in/set-72157626457305442)

I like the second dog image! Nice mood, nice smooth Heliar look in the OOF areas. Works well.

David Hedley
20-Aug-2011, 00:57
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6075/6040303331_27ce1e8101_b.jpg
Melaleucas and Sedges

Gelatin-silver photograph on Agfa MCC 111 VC FB, image size 19.6cm X 24.5cm, from a 4x5 TriX Pan Professional negative exposed in a Tachihara 45GF field view camera fitted with a Voigtlander Heliar 21cm f4.5 lens.

Beautiful, Maris. The high values are rendered so well - may I ask how you metered this, and how you controlled the wide contrast range?

mdm
20-Aug-2011, 07:39
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HGgOnh6fs-w/Tk_HKOOFQ4I/AAAAAAAAA0k/CdRXUZJjuA0/s1600/Scan-110821-0001.jpg

Maris Rusis
20-Aug-2011, 15:57
Beautiful, Maris. The high values are rendered so well - may I ask how you metered this, and how you controlled the wide contrast range?

The big tree just left of centre was placed on zone V and the rest fell where N development sent it. TXP film has a "long toe" and zones I, II, and III are pretty much dumped together but that doesn't matter because the photograph is about mid-tones and highlights.

Actually the extreme highlights aren't "controlled" but are totally blown to paper-base white. But each blown highlight is tiny and the eye does not expect, does not seek, detail in these glints. The photograph is a photometric fiction but carries a beguiling appearance of luminosity.

As for the Heliar lens it was shot at f32 and none of that famous Heliar "glow" appears; just biting sharpness.

mgeiss
19-Oct-2011, 15:21
30cm/4.5 wide open

Efke 25 8x10" in Pyrocat HD

http://www.mgeiss.de/bilder/samowar.jpg

Jim Galli
19-Oct-2011, 15:47
30cm/4.5 wide open

Efke 25 8x10" in Pyrocat HD



See, now I think that's splendid.

mgeiss
19-Oct-2011, 15:55
Thanks Jim,
this coming from you means a lot to me, as your pictures inspired me and raised my interest in the old lenses. :)

Harley Goldman
21-Oct-2011, 12:55
30cm/4.5 wide open

Efke 25 8x10" in Pyrocat HD



Nicely composed and the image does a fine job of showing of the lens bokeh. Well done.

Scott Davis
21-Oct-2011, 17:08
All done with a 240mm Heliar on 5x7 Portra 160NC, most exposures 8 seconds @ f8/f11-ish.


http://www.apug.org/gallery1/files/6/7/8/5/f-trolleynight.jpg

and

http://www.apug.org/gallery1/files/6/7/8/5/chinatownarch.jpg

and

http://www.apug.org/gallery1/files/6/7/8/5/twinpeaks.jpg

mdm
21-Oct-2011, 17:13
Inspirational.

Zaitz
21-Oct-2011, 22:22
My brothers dog Rodgy. He didn't pose well but I took 4 8x10s with the Heliar anyway. I can't believe the window isn't blown out. It was sunny outside.

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/9533/img333copy.jpg

Ken Lee
22-Oct-2011, 00:53
http://www.kennethleegallery.com/images/forum/s7.jpg
Pumpkins, 2009
Sinar P, 300mm Heliar
4x5 TMY, Pyrocat HD

massimobenenti
25-Oct-2011, 18:39
Stephane
this portrait is just great. Hat's off.

Zaitz
6-Nov-2011, 10:55
The 300mm Heliar did pretty well with 4x5 Provia!

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6216/6316775577_a76d25b31e_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/zboumeester/6316775577/in/photostream)

:D Not quite the blur that is associated with the lens though.

ghostcount
6-Nov-2011, 12:50
The 300mm Heliar did pretty well with 4x5 Provia!

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6216/6316775577_a76d25b31e_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/zboumeester/6316775577/in/photostream)

:D Not quite the blur that is associated with the lens though.

Yowza!!! Oh man this is a visual feast! :eek: Thank you for sharing.

Zaitz
7-Nov-2011, 19:03
Yowza!!! Oh man this is a visual feast! :eek: Thank you for sharing.

Thank you!

pierre506
22-Nov-2011, 04:46
Hi, guys.
Could you show me how could Heliar (360mm) connect to my Sinar gear 'though I have a Sinar auto shutter.
Thanks.

pierre506
22-Nov-2011, 05:22
The barrel only has 2 threads.
http://photo.163.com/pierre506/big/#aid=232032601&id=7357560931

Emil Schildt
28-Jul-2012, 13:42
When I first claimed I was going to love my Universal Heliar, I wasn't wrong...

Been using it a lot since.

This is Maj.

Universal Heliar 300mm F5.6 - soft on 3 (as I remember) 13x18 cm neg cropped to a square. Sinar Norma 13x18.

http://www.apug.org/gallery1/files/4/8/8/7/maj1a.jpg

mgeiss
6-Jan-2013, 04:23
30cm/4.5 @f/8
Efke 25 8x10" in Pyrocat HD

http://www.abload.de/img/tassekanneschaley2odo.jpg

eduardtoader
6-Jan-2013, 09:45
210mm f11 to f16, foma film. Not a drop of color edit.http://eduardtoader.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/tulips_dk_721.jpg

Jim Galli
6-Jan-2013, 10:06
210mm f11 to f16, foma film. Not a drop of color edit.http://eduardtoader.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/tulips_dk_721.jpg (http://eduardtoader.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/tulips_dk_721.jpg)

Beautiful Eduard. I add [IMG] tags.

eduardtoader
6-Jan-2013, 17:41
thank you Jim.

Jim Galli
7-Jan-2013, 01:18
http://tonopahpictures.0catch.com/31_Deluxe_Coupe/SteereingWheel_Heliar14s.jpg
steering wheel, 14" Heliar @ f14

Eastman 8X10

Ramiro Elena
7-Jan-2013, 02:59
210mm Heliar at ƒ4.5 doing trendy movements to isolate the cat who was kind to sit for a few seconds. The light and sky was amazing 5 minutes earlier.
Foma100 in Finol.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8466/8346122053_903a57d2d6_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rabato/8346122053/)at ƒ
gatito (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rabato/8346122053/) by rabato (http://www.flickr.com/people/rabato/), on Flickr

mandoman7
7-Jan-2013, 11:19
steering wheel, 14" Heliar @ f14

Wonderful image, Jim. X marks the spot!

Christo.Stankulov
20-Feb-2014, 03:19
EFKE 50@R09 1+40
Heliar 240/4.5
LMT 2000
110808

Ken Lee
20-Feb-2014, 10:16
Will someone please post large direct comparison photos of the exact same subject in the exact same lighting shot with both a Heliar and maybe a Tessar or Symmar or whatever at the exact same focal length and F-stops?

See this series of comparisons by Armin Seeholzer (https://plus.google.com/photos/108681026376295503228/albums/5704632272351387937?banner=pwa). It should keep you busy.

goamules
20-Feb-2014, 10:20
Will someone please post large direct comparison photos of the exact same subject in the exact same lighting shot with both a Heliar and maybe a Tessar or Symmar or whatever at the exact same focal length and F-stops?

And serve Hors d'oeuvres and maybe a nice wine....

bracan
24-Feb-2014, 15:50
EFKE 50@R09 1+40
Heliar 240/4.5
LMT 2000
110808

Excellent like always!

bracan
24-Feb-2014, 15:53
Fantastic Ramiro!!!

Alessandro Bocchi
2-Mar-2014, 12:17
Baone (PD) Italy - Portrait of a motorcyclist with his custom bike.

- Camera: Fatif Luxi Special Studio 13x18 (1959)
- Lens: Voigtlander Heliar 210 1:4.5 in Compound shutter
- Exposure: around 1/2 second and f 5.6
- Film: HARMAN FB Direct Positive Paper - 3 ASA - size 5x7"
- Developer: ILFORD PQ UNIVERSAL 1+15 - 4 minutes at 20° C
- Stop: ILFORD ILFO STOP
- Fixer: ILFORD RAPID FIXER
- Lightmeter: Gossen Lunasix 3 reading the incident light.
- Lightning: Ambient light only.

- Scanner: EPSON V700 and EPSON Scan 3.81
- Software: Adobe Photoshop CS4

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5474/11122476736_6c0fb873b7_b.jpg

Alessandro Bocchi
2-Mar-2014, 12:17
Baone (PD) Italy - Portrait of Federica Benfatto with a custom bike.

- Camera: Fatif Luxi Special Studio 13x18 (1959)
- Lens: Voigtlander Heliar 210 1:4.5 in Compound shutter
- Exposure: around 1/2 second and f 5.6
- Film: HARMAN FB Direct Positive Paper - 3 ASA - size 5x7"
- Developer: ILFORD PQ UNIVERSAL 1+15 - 4 minutes at 20° C
- Stop: ILFORD ILFO STOP
- Fixer: ILFORD RAPID FIXER
- Lightmeter: Gossen Lunasix 3 reading the incident light.
- Lightning: Ambient light only.

- Scanner: EPSON V700 and EPSON Scan 3.81
- Software: Adobe Photoshop CS4

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3818/11122019944_17620e9c1a_b.jpg

Christo.Stankulov
29-Apr-2014, 06:02
I submit this image with a question. I have trade my 240/4.5 Heliar for another one 210/4.5 Heliar Linhof selected...
The 210 has very small separation on the front. If there is a problem when taking a picture what it will be?
This is at f4.5 HP5+@200 in APH Adox 1+50 for 11 minutes
114541

Bigger here
http://cjoint.com/14av/DDDo5E9WZMh_scan0001.jpg

Ramiro Elena
29-Apr-2014, 12:56
Mine is a 210mm and also has a big deal of separation. I don't think one can ever see real problems in the images produced, unless you do a side by side test. Even then, I am not sure you could tell the difference.

Christo.Stankulov
29-Apr-2014, 13:47
Yes, Ramiro, I agree. And I am amazed with the sharpness at f 4,5 ...

Philippe Grunchec
29-Apr-2014, 14:35
:):):)

Christo.Stankulov
29-Apr-2014, 14:45
Аааhh Philippe tu es là :) L'objo est top j'adore! Je le garde. Tu veras que le 240 aussi bien, mais pour mes besoins c'est le 210

Alessandro Bocchi
25-Aug-2014, 14:09
Padua (PD) Italy - A series of portrait just to test the old camera before he performance at the Vintage Festival. This is Emil Cognonato and the cigar is a Cohiba Esplendido.

- Camera: LUPO Aldina II 13x18
- Lens: Voigtlander Heliar 210 1:4.5 in Compound shutter
- Exposure: 2 seconds at f 4.5
- Film: HARMAN FB Direct Positive Paper - 3 ASA - size 5x7"
- Developer: ILFORD PQ UNIVERSAL 1+9 - 2 minutes at 20° C
- Stop: ILFORD ILFO STOP
- Fixer: ILFORD RAPID FIXER
- Lightmeter: Gossen Lunasix 3 reading the incident light
- Lightning: One continuous Light

- Scanner: EPSON V700 and EPSON Scan 3.81
- Software: Adobe Photoshop CS4

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3906/14848683440_f1a36a71bc_b.jpg

Leicaf16
11-Dec-2020, 17:05
Playing with my 300 Universal on 4x5. “Softness” set at 2.5. 210490

Leicaf16
11-Dec-2020, 17:08
Again the 300 Universal on 4x5, testing a Packard shutter.
210491

Peter De Smidt
11-Dec-2020, 21:07
Those are lovely photos.

Tin Can
11-Dec-2020, 21:22
Like!


Playing with my 300 Universal on 4x5. “Softness” set at 2.5. 210490

Hugo Zhang
11-Dec-2020, 22:25
Playing with my 300 Universal on 4x5. “Softness” set at 2.5. 210490

So good!

Leicaf16
12-Dec-2020, 03:00
Those are lovely photos.

Thank you Peter. I’m very much inspired by the beautiful work I see on this site 🙏

Leicaf16
12-Dec-2020, 03:03
Like!
Thank you ��

Leicaf16
12-Dec-2020, 03:04
So good!


Thank you Hugo, I appreciate it ��

gimenosaiz
12-Dec-2020, 05:30
Playing with my 300 Universal on 4x5. “Softness” set at 2.5. 210490

Hi!!

So beautiful :-)

I love it!

Antonio

Leicaf16
12-Dec-2020, 17:57
Thank you Antonio, I really appreciate it. Steve:)

Hi!!

So beautiful :-)

I love it!

Antonio

diversey
12-Dec-2020, 19:02
Nice, very impressive!



Playing with my 300 Universal on 4x5. “Softness” set at 2.5. 210490

orgraph
20-Dec-2020, 23:54
Here is one made with a 210mm Heliar.

http://www.harleygoldman.com/photo/freesia/

Nice pictures, nice websight.
As I see now you sell aquipment :-(

arri
20-Nov-2021, 23:05
Taken with a Heliar 150mm f/3.5! @f/3.5
4x5", Fomapan 400 in Adox FX-39 II

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48804495327_cc4c664c0c_h.jpg

Pedro_fiz
21-Nov-2021, 02:23
Voigtlander Superb heliar 7.5cm f3.5https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211121/39469427f01404a384d82be39c5c2617.jpg

fatttts
11-Mar-2023, 14:15
236676

portrait taken with heliar 135mm, sinar norma

fatttts
11-Mar-2023, 14:17
236677

heliar 135mm, sinar norma

Tin Can
11-Mar-2023, 14:35
Like!

Most likely I will never have a Heliar Universal