post "doorways/entrances"

[eddie]

i seem to find myself shooting doors and entrances.

lets see what you shoot.

4x5 chamonix. near paris. the other in NY. i will let you guess which is which...:)

[Joanna Carter]

Men's 1st class entrance from the ticket office, Victoria Baths, South Manchester

http://grandes-images.com/en/Architecture_files/Media/Mens1stClassEntranceFromBookingOffice/Mens1stClassEntranceFromBookingOffice.jpg

[Louie Powell]

Shellfish Lab is on the Harwichport Town Pier on Cape Cod.

Chateau St. Jean is a winery in Sonoma, CA.

[vinny]

Somewhere in utah, I think. Summer 2008. 8x10 fp4

[Robert A. Zeichner]

Pyrgos, Thira, 2004.

[rcjtapio]

This will be a fun thread.

Rick Tapio

[Michael Gordon]

Since you didn't specify man-made...

http://www.michael-gordon.com/images/large/coyote_bridge.jpg

Coyote Natural Bridge, Utah.

[venchka]

Trois Estate B&B near Enchanted Rock. Texas.

http://gallery.leica-users.org/d/165949-2/Ench+Rck003-2.jpg

http://gallery.leica-users.org/d/165962-2/Ench+Rck005-4.jpg

http://gallery.leica-users.org/d/165965-2/Ench+Rck008-6.jpg

[Jim Galli]

Good one Eddie. This will be a good on-going thread.


http://tonopahpictures.0catch.com/BentonHotSprgEntanceZSerV222mm_1.jpg
benton hot springs, ca.

Done over labor day weekend with the 2D 8X10 and a B&L Zeiss Series V 10X12 lens.

[venchka]

Surprisngly generous DOF Jim. I like it.

I wish I could find doors that nice.

[Jim Galli]

Surprisngly generous DOF Jim. I like it.

I wish I could find doors that nice.

You guys thought I forgot how to do that didn't you. ;)

[Robert Hughes]

National Cathedral, Washington DC:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3122/3115841315_c5ab4c9ae3.jpg

[venchka]

Old habits are hard to forget. Time and place for everything. I figure old screen doors should be sharp enough to see the rust flakes and dead bugs on the screen.

[eddie]

This will be a fun thread.

Rick Tapio

awesome. glad people like it.


Since you didn't specify man-made...


Coyote Natural Bridge, Utah.

all is good. what ever your take on it is fine. great shot.


Good one Eddie. This will be a good on-going thread.




cool


You guys thought I forgot how to do that didn't you. ;)

har har har! yeah, we may have.

[Gary Beasley]

My favorite arches.

[h2oman]

Green's Store, Buffalo Creek, Colorado. Everyone uses the door on the other side, which is not quite as interesting. Unfortunately I don't have a shot of that one - serious oversight on my part!


http://www.greggwaterman.com/greens.jpg

[Steve Gledhill]

This is a rich subject area -surely there must be some more images awaiting exposure here ... ?

Here's one taken inside an ancient tythe or tithe barn. The light inside comes through another large pair of open barn doors behind me.


http://www.virtuallygrey.co.uk/files/9311/1515bredontythebarndoor.jpg


Barn Door - Bredon Tythe Barn

[Drew Bedo]

Mission Doors, San Antonio Texas.
Zone VI, 90mm Nikon SW, Tri-X.

[Joe O'Hara]

Some other kind of entrance...

[Joe O'Hara]

Pyrgos, Thira, 2004.

Nice one, Robert.

[Ed Richards]

Since this is not large format, I will only post a link:

French Quarter Doorways (http://www.sofobomo.org/2009/books/ed-richards/)

They were almost all shot with a 12mm on 35mm, so it might interest wide angle fans. I do not think there is an LF equivalent, at least in modern lenses.

[Hugo Zhang]

Chamonix WP camera with Rodenstock Weitwinkel Perigon 130mm f/12 lens.

[Joakim Ahnfelt]

This way to the underworld

[Chuck Pere]

Some other kind of entrance...

Great mystery. I like it a lot.

[Bill Kumpf]

From 2006

ZoneVI Nikkor 210W
P&S Copy of the print

[rdenney]

The South Redoubt, Fort Niagara, with the French Castle, September, 2009. The camera was in the position of the receiver of the cannonball fired from the cannon sitting between this doorway and the French Castle (which was the HQ building for this fort). That was the greeting for those who made it through the portcullis, which is behind the camera.

Sinar F, 65/5.6 Super Angulon, f/22, and dang it I forgot to note the shutter speed. 6x12 with Shen-Hao holder. The sunlit rock face of the redoubt read ev16, and the shadows inside the doorway were ev10--I'd forgotten how narrow Velvia really is.

http://www.rickdenney.com/images/south_redoubt_ft_niagra_scan0017lr.jpg

Rick "doorways are for shooting through" Denney

[archer]

This started as a still life of a door and surroundings. The oval light in the unreflected image is from the portlight in the door.

[victor larue]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2718/4132093230_51ed09cf19.jpg (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2718/4132093230_51ed09cf19_b.jpg)

MPP VIII - Symmar-S 150 mm - Fuji provia 100F

[monsta]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2759/4131454305_e630b8a943_o.jpg

a variation on a previously posted door. 150 nikkor, FP4+ in perceptol.

[Jim Galli]

a variation on a previously posted door. 150 nikkor, FP4+ in perceptol.

Endless possibilities for my fertile brain here. Everything from Alice to Hell beyond that door.

[Craig Moyer]

Indiana Army Ammunition Plant, Charlestown Indiana.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2697/4116050933_2a30b74db1.jpg

[gary mulder]

italy 2006

[D. Bryant]

My wife asked me why photographers like to photograph windows and doorways, insisting that the subject is cliched like water falls.

Anyone have an answer?

Don Bryant

[Jim Galli]

My wife asked me why photographers like to photograph windows and doorways, insisting that the subject is cliched like water falls.

Anyone have an answer?

Don Bryant

Tell her it's like a beautiful woman. Cliche maybe but we never get tired of looking.

[rdenney]

My wife asked me why photographers like to photograph windows and doorways, insisting that the subject is cliched like water falls.

Anyone have an answer?

Don Bryant

Buildings have roofs, walls, doors, windows, and they also have shape and enclose space. Those are the six features that can be photographed, plus, of course, whatever emotional connotations those might infer.

It seems to me that anyone desiring to photograph something with line and form has few enough choices with buildings that doors and windows are going to be in a lot of them.

So, saying photos of doors and windows are cliche is like saying that pictures of cliffs are cliche when photographing canyons. One might as well say that photographing buildings and canyons are cliche (and I know there are many who have said just that).

At an emotional level, doorways always provide a frame within a frame, and thus seem to me to be uniquely photographic subject, revealing and well as obscuring by what they do and don't reveal.

Rick "whose work is probably cliche from one end to the other" Denney

[bvstaples]

Windows and doors, I think we're attracted to them because we want to know what's on the other side. It's sort of like that windy dirt road that go off into forever, I always want to drive to the end of it (and many times I've driven for 25 miles only to find the road ending in a dull place, and having to drive back out!).

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3301/3233188186_632b345c54_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3011/2673781588_427b9cd937_o.jpg

[D. Bryant]

One might as well say that photographing buildings and canyons are cliche (and I know there are many who have said just that).



Count me as one of the many.

Don

[eddie]

aren't most all photos cliche?

anyway.

my 1st day lith printing.

great light on a shop window in utrecht , hoilland.

4x5 foma printed on foma 131 paper LD20 developer.

the 1st is slightly over exposed and underdeveloped....slightly

the second was over exposed a bit and a bit overdeveloped. then selenium toned.

man i like lith printing.

[Steve M Hostetter]

Indiana Army Ammunition Plant, Charlestown Indiana.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2697/4116050933_2a30b74db1.jpg

Dear Craig,,,

I love this,,, keep em coming please!

[ljsegil]

Is not a window an entrance of a sort, permitting entry of light rather than larger corpuscular and mobile creatures? I suppose a lens would then be an entrance as well, admitting massless corpuscles, they behaving mighty wave-like on their way through the lens, thence onward to a sheet of film, where they resume a bit more of their corpuscular behavior, the better to bang the silver, and all for our pleasure (hopefully).

Well, BS and weak physics aside, this image probably doesn't quite belong in this thread, but it's as close as I could come. Canham 5x7, Efke 25, 14" Red Dot Artar.

Larry

[Phil]

One room schoolhouse just down the road.

[Thad Gerheim]

The door is from a mine building that Henry Ford owned. They mined lead and silver.

[gevalia]

In a Kiva at Mesa Verde, CO.

http://ronmiller.smugmug.com/Landscapes/Black-and-White-Landscapes/img047fixedup/707237982_SmjUj-L.jpg

TMAX400 souped in Prescysol EF. I wish I had controlled the highlights,

[jim kitchen]

Great images everyone... :)

I captured this image earlier this year, while investigating several very old, and very abandoned farm buildings in Central Alberta.

jim k


Untitled, Aberdeen, Alberta, Canada, 2009

http://largeformatgroupimages.jimkitchen.ca/images/img034.jpg

[Miguel Coquis]

[QUOTE=jim kitchen;536977]Great images everyone... :)

I captured this image earlier this year, while investigating several very old, and very abandoned farm buildings in Central Alberta.

jim k



Very interesting shot Jim, nice contre-jour, like it !!!
Love this kind of buildings.

[jim kitchen]

Dear Miguel,

Merci...

I had to look that term up, since my parked French terms are a wee bit rusty... :)

I have a few more images from that exploratory session, but they are several weeks away from completion.

Again, thank you.

jim k

[Richard M. Coda]

Mary's Luncheonette, Bloomingdale, NJ, 1989
8x10 Tri-X

2320, Phoenix, AZ, 2007
4x5 Velvia 50

4008 (Barber Shop), Phoenix, AZ, 2007
8x10 T-Max 100

542, Phoenix, AZ, 2008
8x10 T-Max 100

[Donald Miller]

Italy 2009
5X7 Efke PL100

[jon.oman]

Italy 2009
5X7 Efke PL100

Nice!

[windpointphoto]

Chaco Canyon, NM

[bsimison]

Ocotillo Shadow on an Abandoned Cabin, Anza-Borrego Desert, CA.

Tachihara 4x5, Schneider 210mm Symmar-S, TMax 400 (TMY2)

http://www.brettsimison.com/portfolio/anza_borrego_desert/BJS-20080330_4x5_003.jpg

[Paul Metcalf]

Some are for entering/exiting, some are for using much later, I hope.

[jim kitchen]

Great images everyone... :)

An image from the past, captured at Hiram Walker's Estate Home.

jim k



Servant's Entrance, Hiram Walker Estate Home, Walkerville, Ontario, Canada, 2006

http://largeformatgroupimages.jimkitchen.ca/images/img036.jpg

[emo supremo]

First Comment
This post asks about the lenses used to photograph these pics. "Where's the beef?"
Perhaps it's silly question bec you've been doing it so long you look at these submissions and say, "Aha, that was a 150mm Superwhatever on 4x6 XYZ souped in pyrosplat" Some members took just a few minutes extra typing and I want to go on record: Thankyou. That was VERY helpful in developing my skills as a LF-wanabe.

Second comment
Here's a chestnut for you: Search, Advanced Search, type "doorways", {alternatively, do likewise for the words "entrances" "portals" you get the idea}, and select "Titles" and you'll get....nothing.
Now simply type "doorways" this is the first on the list. (?!)

(nb: repeated this twice to make sure I wasn't saying something that ain't so)
Eddie had a great idea for this thread, but why is it opaque to the advanced search enging? This issue is an important one for two reasons. First, it would be nice on this end because I'm planning a trip and on trips what do we photograph. Second and more important: is there something wrong with the engine? Perhaps there is an experienced person out there that knows what to do about this. As Eddie said, this will be a fun thread. I think it is one of those "root" themes and the thread should be marked with 'a bigger signal flag' or the 'exit ought to have a real sign' or some other silly analogy.
Thoughts on this? Does such a site exist? Please PM.

[Michael Nelson]

A 'former' gallery in Atlanta...

Toyo 45G Fujinon 90/5.6 SW

[adrian tyler]

Medieval Islamic architecture from the Alhambra, Granada, Spain.

[Ken Lee]

http://www.kenleegallery.com/images/forum/l37.jpg
Open Gate
Sinar P, 250mm Carl Zeiss Jena Tessar
4x5 TMY, Pyrocat HD

[jon.oman]

A 'former' gallery in Atlanta...

Toyo 45G Fujinon 90/5.6 SW

Very nice!

[venchka]

A 'former' gallery in Atlanta...

Toyo 45G Fujinon 90/5.6 SW

My first job post US Army was in a gallery on Royal Street opposite Gallery Simone Stern. What a long strange trip it's been.

Thanks for the memory.

[Michael Nelson]

Hey Venchka,

Look familiar???

Toyo 45G Fujinon 150mm or 210mm 5.6 W lens

[Thad Gerheim]

Nice, Paul. I have a friend, an old cowboy, Frank Hevron, resting there on the beautiful hillside. Thanks for posting those.
Thad Gerheim

[venchka]

Hey Venchka,

Look familiar???

Toyo 45G Fujinon 150mm or 210mm 5.6 W lens

I know it should, but I can't place it. Somewhere in New Orleans?

[Marv Thompson]

From the interior of a guard shack at the Savanna Arny Depot (decommissioned) north of Savanna IL.

[Michael Nelson]

Hey Venchka,

It's the building complex (on Peachtree St) that Galerie Simonne Stern was located. The office suite (with red walls) was the Gallery's office overlooking Peachtree St.

[Brian Ellis]

Abandoned RR Station, Venice, Florida (since converted into a boutique mall, ruining one of my favorite subjects)
8x10 Deardorff, 210mm Schneider G Claron lens (probably)

Myster Valley (Mystery Canyon? Can never remember the exact name of this area but it's Mystery something) Made while attending John Sexton/Ray McSavaney workshop
4x5 Linhof Master Technika, forget what lens was used

[Kirk Gittings]

Where is Mystery Canyon Brian?

[Jeffrey Sipress]

The Covarubius Adobe, Santa Barbara, CA, the oldest building in the city.

Ebony SV45U, Delta 100


http://machinearts.com/fredphotos/museumdoor2.jpg

[Steve Gledhill]

Where is Mystery Canyon Brian?

Kirk,
I know I'm not Brian! but I suspect I know this - Mystery Valley is part of Monument Valley and accessible only via a paid for guided tour. If I'm wrong I hope Brian will apply a correction ...

[Brian Ellis]

Kirk,
I know I'm not Brian! but I suspect I know this - Mystery Valley is part of Monument Valley and accessible only via a paid for guided tour. If I'm wrong I hope Brian will apply a correction ...

Thanks for responding Steve, I couldn't remember where it was and planned to do a little searching to answer Kirk's question. As I mentioned, I made the photograph while attending a workshop and we were being driven all over the place with guides and drivers and I had no idea where we were at any given time. But near Monument Valley sounds right.

[jim kitchen]

Gentlemen,

If you happen to have "Google Earth..." you will be able to locate that location quickly and due west of Monument Valley.

Google Earth is rather a great tool, especially cruising through the canyons, et al... :)

jim k

[jim kitchen]

Dear Jeffery,

Excellent image... :)

Nicely done.

jim k

[Alan Curtis]

34802
Archie Smith Fish House , Sebastian, FL

[Ralph Miyashiro]

San Diego State University 5x7 Korona 210 dagor Efke 50 rotary processed in D-76 clone. New to LF comments welcome.

[Dirk Rösler]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2528/4212445370_f00235abf5_o.jpg

One of my first LF images. Storage building of a Japanese temple. A strong almost symmetrical image with the door handle attracting the eye.

[jim kitchen]

Another old image... :)

jim k


Library of Parliament Entrance, Parliament Buildings, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, 1976

http://largeformatgroupimages.jimkitchen.ca/images/76062003.jpg

[jon.oman]

And another nice one!

Jon

[Gary Beasley]

Heres a different kind of entrance to think about. Bigmouth Cave next to Sequoyah Caverns near Valley Head, Alabama.

[Robert Oliver]

Mission San Juan Capistrano - Entrance to Friar's quarters.

[jp]

http://www.f64.nu/albums2007/album177/img147.jpg

A run down 200+ y.o. old cottage that came with my property.

[bobwysiwyg]

Brrr, nice realistic scene, snow flying and all. What did you shoot it with? Is the cottage your next fix'r up project? :)

[jp]

I had my speed graphic and it's 135mm lens, tiltall tripod, f16 for 1/30. Shot right in the middle of our 3-day snow storm this weekend. Nothing in the scene is level, so no sense in any camera movements.

tmy2 and xtol, scanned on my v700. It is reaaaallllly crisp like in the foreground plants; this resized scan doesn't do it justice.

I've leaving the cottage in place so I can rebuild in the same spot someday and have some rental income. I'll have someone else do the work, as my list of projects is already quite large.

[Allen in Montreal]

Nice series Jim,

I wonder if anyone would be allowed to shoot these today the way Parliament is locked down, and after the Green Peace stunt last month...:(




Another old image... :)

jim k


Library of Parliament Entrance, Parliament Buildings, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, 1976

http://largeformatgroupimages.jimkitchen.ca/images/76062003.jpg

[jim kitchen]

Dear Allen and Jon,

Merci... :)

I am having fun reviewing my recovered box of old negatives, that I thought were lost forever. That said, the recovered negatives happen to be present me with a very broad mix of exploratory images from my earlier photographic treks, and a few of them bring back a flood of memories, very good memories, where I remember the events that took place during the day, especially when I captured the image.

The Parliament Buildings were quite fabulous inside, and although the building was secure for this decade, I remember that I was continuously greeted by security personnel throughout every corridor, asking whether I had permission to be in the area, and whether I could take a moment to show them my view camera.

Again, thank you both.

jim k

[jim kitchen]

Again, a newer image I managed to capture, while scouring Alberta for old abandoned farmsteads... :)

jim k


Untitled, Aberdeen, Alberta, Canada, 2009

http://largeformatgroupimages.jimkitchen.ca/images/09060901.jpg

[Joe O'Hara]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2528/4212445370_f00235abf5_o.jpg

One of my first LF images. Storage building of a Japanese temple. A strong almost symmetrical image with the door handle attracting the eye.

I like it, Dirk. Where in Japan? It looks like it was in an interior location where light entered at some distance from the subject.

[Donald Miller]

Bergamo, Italy 5X7 Wisner/210 Symmar

[Dirk Rösler]

I like it, Dirk. Where in Japan? It looks like it was in an interior location where light entered at some distance from the subject.

Thank you Joe. It is a local temple, close to where I live in Chiba prefecture. The structure is outside, but indeed, as you say the light looks like it came though some giant softboxes in a studio. Very soft. I think it was an overcast winter or late autumn day. I just remember I was very cold!

[sly]

Hasn't been a post to this great thread for awhile. Let's see your portal!

Mine is the gateway at Lacock Abbey, once the home of Fox Talbot, to whom we owe so much.

Crown Graphic 4x5, Schneider 135, HP5+, Rodinal, neg scan

[Rhemz]

do garage doors count?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2699/4260441247_32ec431f80.jpg (http://bighugelabs.com/onblack.php?id=4260441247&size=large)

[sly]

Lovely garage! I'm so impressed by anyone doing colour LF! I've not ventured into colour myself, as I still have so much to learn in B&W.

Here's another of my shots from Laycock Abbey. A lith print this time.

[SamReeves]

do garage doors count?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2699/4260441247_32ec431f80.jpg (http://bighugelabs.com/onblack.php?id=4260441247&size=large)

That looks like a garage on Scenic Drive in Carmel!

[Stephane]

scan of a 8x10 contact print. shot with 140mm dallmeyer and sinar norma. This is on the terrasse of the riad I rented last xmas/new year vacation in Essaouira, Morocco (great place).

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4052/4316325139_43d57b8528_o.jpg

[Keith Pitman]

Abandoned Breadtruck/Camper, Oh My God Road, Colorado

[Jim collum]

Betterlight, 150mm schneider

http://www.jcollum.com/fm/2005_10_12_bl_angkor_011-cvt2_filtered.jpg

[Peter Mounier]

Nice shot Jim!
Have you posted this one before? This place just bowls me over! I'd love to go there someday.
How do you carry all of your gear when you go into the field with it?

Peter

[Moetada]

do garage doors count?



That is Garage, it is very nice and colourful.

[Moetada]

Betterlight, 150mm schneider



I took same photo, but I did not have reflection like your.

[srbphoto]

Manhattan

[Steve Nieslony]

"Manhattan"

Nevada that is... Almost the same photo:

http://nieslony.net/images/Images%20-%20West/West%20-%20Abandoned%20Bank%20Vault.htm

Mine was done with a Korona 7x11 in 2001... small world

[Jim collum]

I took same photo, but I did not have reflection like your.

you have a copy online? love images from angkor

[srbphoto]

Steve - don't give away the punchline ;)

I have met only one person who knew about that area. He was an archeologist and I was the first person he met who knew about it. I figured someone here would have been there.

BTW It is obvious you have excellent taste in images :D

[Jim collum]

Horseman SWDII, Aptus 75s
http://forum.getdpi.com/gallery/files/1/2/2008_05_18_pano1a.jpg

[IanG]

http://lostlabours.co.uk/Uploads/the_hyde1.jpg

and a few years later

http://lostlabours.co.uk/Uploads/hyde03_sm.jpg

Work-mans entrance to a 17th C ironworks.

Ian

[eddie]

Work-mans entrance to a 17th C ironworks.

Ian

what an awesome shot. love the second one.

[IanG]

Thanks Eddie, I really need to get printing again next time I'm back in the UK, I only have darkroom access for the few weeks a year I'm there at the moment .

Ian

[Jim collum]

what an awesome shot. love the second one.

I agree with eddie on that.. the second one is an image i'd be proud to hang on my wall

[Scott Walker]

T-Max 100 4x5 Printed on Galerie
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg90/Beecool/OldHouse.jpg

[Howard Tanger]

http://lostlabours.co.uk/Uploads/the_hyde1.jpg

and a few years later

http://lostlabours.co.uk/Uploads/hyde03_sm.jpg

Work-mans entrance to a 17th C ironworks.

Ian
Nice work but I prefer number one; number two is too busy. Howard Tanger

[h2oman]

4x5, fuji 240A, hp5+

[sly]

I like the patchwork corrugations h2oman.

Here's a portal I shot back in December.
The day after I'd been wandering around the bluffs a cougar that had been taking local livestock was tracked to a cave about 1/2 km from this spot.

[jon.oman]

My first LF images in about 35 years! I bought a Shen-Hao HZX 4x5-IIA about 18 months ago, and a 135mm F5.6 Nikkor about 8 months ago. But, life got in the way!

Not too bad for the lapse in time. The only thing I forgot to bring out with me was the dark cloth! Made it almost impossible to frame things correctly.

#1
http://www.jonomanphotos.com/Photography/Summerville-South-Carolina/img259shen-hoabarn01/825305622_8zVMc-L.jpg

#2
http://www.jonomanphotos.com/Photography/Summerville-South-Carolina/img261shen-hoabarn02/825317095_sEr3N-M.jpg

Jon

[Robert Vigurs]

Sometimes the facilities are lacking here in California. Symmar 210, Korona Gundlach 4x5

[Mark Stahlke]

Waitin' On A Train
Built in 1906, Denver's Moffat Station waits patiently for the next train.
Both images made with Shen Hao PTB 4x5, 80mm SSXL, Delta 100.
http://www.stahlke.us/images/Moffat_Station_001.jpg

http://www.stahlke.us/images/Moffat_Station_002.jpg

[Rory_5244]

Wow, what a great thread. Humble entranceway:

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss20/Snoflo/fence1.jpg

8x10 TXP

[Ed Richards]

Immaculate Conception Jesuit Church, New Orleans, early light.
http://www.epr-art.com/galleries/b4a-la-ca-churches/photos/1611.jpg

[Rory_5244]

^ sweet

[R Mann]

Doorway in a storage area of an old dairy barn - 5x7 on HP5

[sly]

Time to bring this thread back up the queue.

A caboose up on a flatcar waiting it's turn for restoration at Mclean Mill near Port Alberni.

[IanG]

Entrance to the Theatre, Patara :D

http://lostlabours.co.uk/images/patara.jpg

Apologies if you see it twice as I posted in the ruins thread as well.

Ian