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Donald Miller
7-Jul-2008, 14:39
How about another landscape thread. I will start this off with a recent Mon Valley image. 5X7 Wisner 305 G Claron.

Daniel_Buck
7-Jul-2008, 15:05
wonderful image Donald!

Maybe we should do like the portrait thread, and have it go monthly? :-)

timparkin
7-Jul-2008, 15:16
Here is a couple taken in the last year..

First taken at Easdale, Scotland. Ebony 45SU Schneider 80mm SSXL. 80s at f/16 on new Velvia 50

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z248/timparkin/2612444617_625e5babcf.jpg

This second one is taken at Rannoch Moor, Scotland. Schneider 110 SSXL. 25s at f/22 on new Velvia 50

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z248/timparkin/2613278416_a22e22ff6e.jpg

Finally, here is a close shot of some English Stonecrop at Strangles, Cornwall. Rodenstock 150 Sironar S. 1s at f/22 on new Velvia 50.

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z248/timparkin/2601481539_d749cb81a1.jpg

Donald Miller
7-Jul-2008, 15:31
Thanks Daniel, That would be a great idea.

Darren H
7-Jul-2008, 16:04
Here is one from Guadalupe Mountains National Park. This is El Capitan and Guadalupe Peak (highest point in Texas).

Image is with a Fujinon 125 f/5.6 lens on Velvia and an Arca-Swiss Discovery.

Donald Miller
7-Jul-2008, 16:18
Darren, Nice image. I was not aware that Texas had those rock formations.

Donald Miller
7-Jul-2008, 16:19
Tim, Really nice photographs. I am not normally a color person but these are great. My favorite is the second one.

sparq
7-Jul-2008, 17:54
You-know-what you-know-where ;)
4x5 Astia 100, Symmar-S 135/5.6

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3097/2580648635_a2752aa7fb.jpg

vinny
7-Jul-2008, 17:56
Donald, really nice shot.
I've gotten hooked on instant film.
fuji fp-100c45
210mm
pere marquette river, michigan

Colin Graham
7-Jul-2008, 18:22
You-know-what you-know-where ;)
4x5 Astia 100, Symmar-S 135/5.6


Wonderful! But where is it again? :)

Erik Larsen
7-Jul-2008, 19:00
Wonderful shots people. I enjoy seeing what others are up to and always go through threads with others work in them. Keep them coming imo. Here's a pic from colorado shot on tmax 4x5.
regards
Erik

sparq
7-Jul-2008, 19:29
Wonderful! But where is it again? :)

Thank you, Colin. It's the Badwater basin in Death Valley. :)

Donald Miller
7-Jul-2008, 19:37
Really great photographs everyone.

Darren H
7-Jul-2008, 19:51
Darren, Nice image. I was not aware that Texas had those rock formations.

Thanks, glad you liked. Nice stuff yourself too.

Yes, you can find some big rocks and mountains in Texas. Actually some 29 ranges with a few that get to the 8000-9000 ft range. Since they are mostly desert ranges and out in the western part of the state few people have heard of them- but that leaves alot of empty places to photograph :-)

Here are a couple more. Another from Guadalupe Mountains with the Fujinon 125mm lens. Great range and park, one of my favs.

The other is from the Grand Canyon. I was at the north rim in 2006 when the Warm Fire happened. We were locked into the park for two days and then led out through the remains of the fire in NFS convoys. This is one of the smoke filled afternoons when we were locked in. Ash was falling from the sky like snow. This is pretty much what the sky looked like for a few days. Taken with the 210mm Nikon on Velvia.

Preston
7-Jul-2008, 20:15
There sure is a talented group here! The images are wonderful!

Here's a shot from Lee Vining Canyon in the Sierra, from October of '07.

http://www.gildedmoon.com/images/LF_Forum/374-1_Web.jpg

-P

phaedrus
7-Jul-2008, 21:10
Well, here's my "latest and greatest", from a rock formation in the Harz mountains called the Devil's Wall:

http://web.mac.com/chammann/iWeb/Mostly%20Black%26White/Photoblog/0B9F22A6-9EE6-47B1-B10E-4F704B570862_files/C1165_060608_2_Pt_PKIS.jpg

Negative taken on Fujifilm Acros 8x10 with Schneider Super Angulon 165 mm at f/64.
Platinum print on heavy Kozo Japanese paper. I'm still working on spreading the emulsion, but I kind of like this ragged edge effect.

Christoph

Edwin Beckenbach
7-Jul-2008, 22:26
4th of July, Santa Monica State Beach
8x10 Velvia 100F, 480mm APO Ronar, f22 1/60th

Eric James
7-Jul-2008, 22:35
***

Merg Ross
7-Jul-2008, 22:46
Less is more. 8x10, 19" Artar barrel, Packard shutter.

John Kasaian
7-Jul-2008, 23:11
Beautiful photograph Merg! I love the mist on the water and the protusions in the water's surface. The skyline could just as easily have been a castle somewhere from history. It is like a dream.
Thanks!

shmoo
7-Jul-2008, 23:21
This one's a few years old...Macophot 820 IRc with an 87 filter, 4x5, taken in Camarillo, CA.

jim kitchen
8-Jul-2008, 08:18
Nicely done folks...

Here are a few of my latest. :)

jim k

David Hedley
8-Jul-2008, 08:37
Another one from a few years back;

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o205/Shiretoko/Fuji-san.jpg

Toyo 4x5 metal field / Fuji Neopan / Rodinal

Jeffrey Sipress
8-Jul-2008, 10:24
Central coast of California, near San Simeon. Ebony SV45U, Rodenstock 150mm, Velvia. Drum Scanned.

http://machinearts.com/fredphotos/sansimeonsunset1.jpg

Jeffrey Sipress
8-Jul-2008, 10:27
Preston, that's lovely!

poco
8-Jul-2008, 14:36
4th of July, Santa Monica State Beach
8x10 Velvia 100F, 480mm APO Ronar, f22 1/60th

Great shot. That reclining couple really anchors the bottom right corner in a way that stands out from the unstructured mass of the others. Good work.

Merg Ross
8-Jul-2008, 22:13
John, thanks for your comments, as always. You are one of the few persons familiar with my work, who visit the LF forum. Perhaps this image is a departure from my abstract work, perhaps not. But your response is an affirmation of my belief that what you see, is what you bring to the table. In the skyline a castle, no doubt.

Thanks again,
Merg

mergross.com

Marko Trebusak
8-Jul-2008, 23:27
Very impressive collection of landscape photos. I like the idea of month long thread of landscape photos, since those 398 pages long threads are kind of hard to work with.

Here are a couple of mine:

Cheers,
Marko

Frank Petronio
9-Jul-2008, 00:02
Snaps, the lobster isn't LF but it's cute

domenico Foschi
9-Jul-2008, 00:24
WHo new, Frank is a romantic...
Beautiful image.

Brian_A
9-Jul-2008, 04:11
You guys do some awesome work. I was going to post a few of my own images, but after viewing your images I don't need to be laughed at. All I can say is 99% of the images I saw were some of the best landscapes I've seen in a long long time.

-Brian

Frank Petronio
9-Jul-2008, 06:45
it's just a hobby ;-)

Kirk Gittings
9-Jul-2008, 07:41
Love that image of the viewer (is that what they are called?) Frank, keeping your mind open to unromantic, ironic landscapes. Love the awareness.

mrladewig
10-Jul-2008, 20:14
Reworked but also new Macey Lakes, Sangre de Cristo Wilderness

Astia, SA75/8, hard GND

http://www.ladewigs.com/Gallery/d/1209-1/Macey_45_RAP_20080708_01.jpg

Mel

Chuck Pere
11-Jul-2008, 05:29
This is from the local forest preserve.

jnanian
11-Jul-2008, 06:37
...

Jim Jirka
11-Jul-2008, 09:06
A couple from me. Both taken in the Hoh Rain Forest in Washington State.
The waterfall is Fuji 160C Negative Film, the forest scene Fuji Velvia 100F.

mrladewig
11-Jul-2008, 09:44
Jim,

The forest scene seems a bit heavy on the right, but the exposure is beautiful.

Jiri Vasina
12-Jul-2008, 23:39
A path in the forest...

My first presentable shot with Chamonix 5x8" camera, albeit in 13x18cm format (Fomapan 100), with Symmar 300mm convertible lens @ 500mm.

http://www.vasina.net/wp-content/gallery/jaro/p13x18-080_web.jpg

Preston
13-Jul-2008, 18:42
Jiri, this is beautiful and very thought provoking. Great work!

-PB

vinny
13-Jul-2008, 18:53
Jiri, awesome 2-tracks! Reminds me of deer hunting in northern michigan after the first snowfall.

Brian K
13-Jul-2008, 20:23
Here's one

Daniel_Buck
13-Jul-2008, 22:17
brian, that's a very interesting photograph, thanks for sharing!

Jiri Vasina
13-Jul-2008, 23:55
Thanks Preston and Vinny.

Here is another one from that trip:

http://www.vasina.net/wp-content/gallery/jaro/p13x18-082_web.jpg

David Hedley
14-Jul-2008, 00:41
Here's one

Brian - that is sublime - a modern depiction of Cavalry, no less.

Dany
14-Jul-2008, 04:13
A path in the forest...

My first presentable shot with Chamonix 5x8" camera, albeit in 13x18cm format (Fomapan 100), with Symmar 300mm convertible lens @ 500mm.



Nice, verry nice, specially composition. Congratz.

Frank Petronio
14-Jul-2008, 05:48
I've been enjoying Brian's photos, if not his statistics, for a long time now. They are truly modern, expert, and intelligent landscapes.

Worth copying, lol. Good inspirations for sure.

Brian K
14-Jul-2008, 05:56
Hey thanks for all the kind words.

Frank did you know that B&W photos have a 20 percent higher approval rating with people who drink decaffeinated coffee and that landscapes look like places that exist in nature nearly 100 percent of the time? However 90 percent of the men out there and about 10 percent of the women like to look at pictures of nubile naked women? ( charts to follow)

gevalia
14-Jul-2008, 10:03
Guys,

As a newbie that is constantly being amazed by what I see, can I ask that you add what film as well as developer that you are using?

Donald Miller
Erik Larsen
Jim Kitchen
Marko Trebusak
Brian Kosoff
Jiri Vasina

I look at the photos by these guys in just this thread alone and I am bowing in respect and awe.

Jiri Vasina
14-Jul-2008, 11:39
Gevalia, thanks for the kind words. But I'm almost a beginner compared with the others - I do my development just for 3-4 years, and work with large format for just 2-3 years. So I have a long way to go yet.

I use Fomapan 100 almost exclusively (for my landscape work) rated at EI 64 developed in R09 1:40 (if you're on the other side of the ocean, the film is available as Arista.EDU Ultra 100. R09 is a Rodinal derivative).

Sometimes I also use Efke 25 also developed in R09, but none of the photos are presentable yet.

For portrait work, apart from the Fomapan 100, I also use HP5+, Kodak TMax 400, developed in R09.

Daniel Grenier
14-Jul-2008, 12:29
Here's one

Brian. Simply put, I think you have the best eye around here (very closely followed by Donald Miller). Your work is stunning - both of you!

Turner Reich
14-Jul-2008, 18:15
Jiri Vasina, I was instantly reminded of the Robert Frost Poem, The Road Not Taken. Excellent work.

Donald, can you tell me about how far that spot is from the Four Corners Moab location? I would love to see Monument Valley and would like to plan a trip this year, Is there a best time of year, say in the Fall to go there.
Thank you

Turner Reich
14-Jul-2008, 18:18
The photograph by Donald Miller is what I believe photography should be, perfect in all regards, just beautiful.

Donald Miller
14-Jul-2008, 19:28
Thanks Daniel and Turner,

Turner, Monument Valley lies almost directly west of the Four Corners. (immediately north of the border of Arizona and Utah) I am guessing something around a 100 miles south of Moab. The autumn or spring would both be more comfortable than winter or summer. I hope that you are able to visit and enjoy it.

Brian K
14-Jul-2008, 19:53
Brian. Simply put, I think you have the best eye around here (very closely followed by Donald Miller). Your work is stunning - both of you!

Thanks Daniel, very kind of you, I see you've been talking to my mother.

Dany
14-Jul-2008, 23:15
http://www.temnakomora.cz/gallery/dany_20080715071335.jpg

Toyo View GX - Super Angulon 121@22 - Fomapan 100 - Amaloco 74 1+20 N+1

Jiri Vasina
14-Jul-2008, 23:21
Turner, thanks a lot.

I'll add another one that some of you may like. Again with Chamonix 5×8" and Xenar 210mm, Fomapan 100, R09.

http://www.vasina.net/wp-content/gallery/jaro/p13x18-083_web.jpg

Jiri Vasina
14-Jul-2008, 23:22
Dany, that is a nice one too...

Greg Lockrey
15-Jul-2008, 00:20
Hey thanks for all the kind words.

Frank did you know that B&W photos have a 20 percent higher approval rating with people who drink decaffeinated coffee and that landscapes look like places that exist in nature nearly 100 percent of the time? However 90 percent of the men out there and about 10 percent of the women like to look at pictures of nubile naked women? ( charts to follow)

:D :D :D

Greg Lockrey
15-Jul-2008, 00:26
Turner, thanks a lot.

I'll add another one that some of you may like. Again with Chamonix 58" and Xenar 210mm, Fomapan 100, R09.

http://www.vasina.net/wp-content/gallery/jaro/p13x18-083_web.jpg

I'm a big fan, Jiri. ;)

Dany
15-Jul-2008, 03:07
http://www.temnakomora.cz/gallery/dany_20080715070948.jpg

Toyo View GX - Nikkor 75@22 - Fomapan 100 - Amamloco 1+20 N-1

Brian K
15-Jul-2008, 05:04
Here's another new one

Colin Graham
15-Jul-2008, 12:28
Wow, nice one Brian.


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3049/2671286837_f5a587ed8d.jpg

From Crescent Bay a few mornings ago. Couldn't resist the tidal pool- looks like a hole in the floor of the world.

Jan Pedersen
15-Jul-2008, 12:44
Very nice everyone of you. I am envious and a fan of you all. ;)

jan

gari beet
15-Jul-2008, 13:06
I can't see the image Colin, don't know if the link is broke. Keen to see it as I am really digging your work having seen it on this forum.

Gari

gari beet
15-Jul-2008, 13:07
well bugger me it popped up when I submitted the last post!!
Awesome, Capital A

Gari

Shailendra
15-Jul-2008, 13:17
Here's another new one


Fantastic...what were the technical specs of this shot? Exposure time, aperture, film?etc...

Colin Graham
15-Jul-2008, 16:39
Thanks for the encouraging words Gari, very nice to hear.

BarryS
15-Jul-2008, 19:10
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/381/clopperlakeyr7.jpg

Seneca Creek State Park near my house. One of my first 8x10 shots with a Deardorff and a Symmar-S 240mm on TMAX 100 in Pyrocat HD.

Brian K
15-Jul-2008, 20:21
Fantastic...what were the technical specs of this shot? Exposure time, aperture, film?etc...

Thanks Shailendra. I always wonder why there's interest in the exposure? Anyway probably 22 at 2 minutes, T-max 100 a 6 or 10 stop ND, maybe a yellow or red filter.

Erik Larsen
15-Jul-2008, 20:28
Guys,

As a newbie that is constantly being amazed by what I see, can I ask that you add what film as well as developer that you are using?

Donald Miller
Erik Larsen
Jim Kitchen
Marko Trebusak
Brian Kosoff
Jiri Vasina

I look at the photos by these guys in just this thread alone and I am bowing in respect and awe.

Gevalia, very kind words. There are some wonderful artists frequenting this site who are willing to share their "secrets" without reservation. I have learned far more than I have contributed from the members here - it is a great resource. For my displayed shot it was taken with tmax 100 and developed in d76 1+1 if I'm not mistaken. There is nothing easier than shooting dunes with no sky involved imo to get an interesting if not cliche shot:)

Donald Miller
15-Jul-2008, 20:38
Guys,

As a newbie that is constantly being amazed by what I see, can I ask that you add what film as well as developer that you are using?

Donald Miller
Erik Larsen
Jim Kitchen
Marko Trebusak
Brian Kosoff
Jiri Vasina

I look at the photos by these guys in just this thread alone and I am bowing in respect and awe.

I use Efke PL 100 and Pyrocat HD. Paper is graded Adox developed in Amidol and toned in a proprietary toner.

D. Bryant
15-Jul-2008, 21:35
Here's one
Brian,

That's a very nice photo. Some might say that there is Christian religous symbolism in this shot, just a thought though.

Don Bryant

Jiri Vasina
15-Jul-2008, 23:37
Seneca Creek State Park near my house. One of my first 8x10 shots with a Deardorff and a Symmar-S 240mm on TMAX 100 in Pyrocat HD.

Barry, nice one. Very nice toning. At first I though it was a color shot, but then I looked properly. Very nice.

Jiri Vasina
15-Jul-2008, 23:41
I'll add yet another one of mine.

I think I see a project crystallizing here, I know what I want to show in them, I think I see what connects them. And I feel I know what pictures to add. For the very first time in my photography I have this feeling, this sense of "project" growing from casual shooting. I only hope it's not a fleeting early morning state of mind from which I'll wake up.

http://www.vasina.net/wp-content/gallery/jaro/p13x18-091c_web.jpg

Colin Graham
16-Jul-2008, 03:35
I think I see a project crystallizing here, I know what I want to show in them, I think I see what connects them. And I feel I know what pictures to add. For the very first time in my photography I have this feeling, this sense of "project" growing from casual shooting. I only hope it's not a fleeting early morning state of mind from which I'll wake up.



Never wake up! :) Great work Jiri. Such wonderful light.

Brian K
16-Jul-2008, 04:57
Brian,

That's a very nice photo. Some might say that there is Christian religous symbolism in this shot, just a thought though.

Don Bryant

Thanks Don. I find it strange sometimes that people see religious symbolism in my work given that I'm not at all religious. There's even some company out there who buys posters of one of my images, reframes them and places the word "worship" under them, and then sells them on eBay and other places. I've posted that image below, but I don't see the religious overtones in that one. However the telephone poles is very much like a classic crucifixion scene, it just lacks "INRI" on the first pole. I guess I've seen enough churches and museums in Europe, and art from the Renaissance to have been influenced.

BarryS
16-Jul-2008, 11:56
Barry, nice one. Very nice toning. At first I though it was a color shot, but then I looked properly. Very nice.

Thank you Jiri. Your work is gorgeous and it looks like you're getting some good use out of that Chamonix 5x8.

Jiri Vasina
17-Jul-2008, 00:05
I'll add this one to my series:

Chamonix 5×8", Fomapan 100 13×18cm, Repro-Claron 305mm.

http://www.vasina.net/wp-content/gallery/jaro/p13x18-092_web.jpg

David Hedley
17-Jul-2008, 00:56
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o205/Shiretoko/matsugawa.jpg

Japan northern alps - Toyo 4x5 metal field, Fujinon 90mm, TMax 100, Pyro.

Paul O
17-Jul-2008, 04:53
One of mine. Airfield, South Iceland. Ebony 45SU, Art Panorama 6x17 back, Nikon 90mm (f8), 1 sec at f22. Original shot on Fuji Astia 120, converted to greyscale in CS2.

ljb0904
17-Jul-2008, 11:18
Two of my latest:

Pontatoc Canyon in the Santa Catalinas (135mm, Provia)
http://homepage.mac.com/mrljb/newwork/lf2008_037_01p.jpg

and Tuolumne Meadows (240mm, Provia)
http://homepage.mac.com/mrljb/newwork/lf2008_041_01p.jpg

PViapiano
18-Jul-2008, 01:41
Laurent...

Nice images! Hey, my wife bought me one of your photos (Echoes of Silence) on a trip to Tucson a few months ago...said she had a chance to talk with you a bit. It's hanging right here in my office...very, very nice work!

Thanks!

vinny
18-Jul-2008, 19:46
Jiri, that last shot is really nice too!

Jiri Vasina
19-Jul-2008, 00:10
vinny, thanks.

I've made 3 exposures of that scene, one was technically faulty, the other two are very good (IMO). But unfortunately they are both so good that I don't know yet which one to choose for presentation. I have posted them both (on my website). I think I have to look at them for some days/weeks and let them settle which one to choose.

Here is the second one (I don't want to start a poll on which is better. I'll choose myself, but I have to look at them. And in the end my choice may be different from yours :) ).

http://www.vasina.net/wp-content/gallery/jaro/p13x18-0941_web.jpg

Mattg
19-Jul-2008, 00:30
I don't often post here because I'm afraid I'll be run out of town for using a 6x9cm camera. I guess it will be pretty obvious where this one is situated. It's fairly typical late afternoon light for Sydney, I'll be looking out for some interesting weather to try this one again.

jim kitchen
27-Jul-2008, 15:50
Bow Lake, Alberta...

jim k


http://largeformatgroupimages.jimkitchen.ca/images/07060807_letterbox.jpg

gbogatko
28-Jul-2008, 18:06
I'm in New Jersey, the east-coast rain-forest. It's a bugger of a challenge to take a landscape picture in a rain-forest, but here's two attempts.

George

Frank Petronio
28-Jul-2008, 18:41
Somewhere out in the 505 area code. Detail on the right. Isn't that Kirk's number?

Joe Smigiel
28-Jul-2008, 19:44
Nice work Jiri. Wonderful light.

Jim Cole
28-Jul-2008, 20:57
Thought I would make a first post of an image to this forum. This is Ponderosa Pines with the San Francisco Peaks in the background near Flagstaff, AZ. It was shot on Fuji Acros, developed in Rodinal 1+49, scanned on an Epson 4990 and converted using ColorNeg. The file was then manipulated with NIK Silver Efex.

Hope you like.

domenico Foschi
28-Jul-2008, 20:58
Lovely light rendition on the trunk, Jim.

Mark Whiting
28-Jul-2008, 21:05
Tuweap Valley, Az. Taken this spring.

Jim Cole
28-Jul-2008, 23:19
Thanks Domenico. I just spent about 20 minutes on your site. Wonderful, timeless photographs. I especially like the simplicity of your Leaves portfolio.

Jim

Jiri Vasina
28-Jul-2008, 23:51
Joe, thanks for your comment.

Jim, the tree trunks are very nice - it's kind of a detail in the foreground, and the whole in the background. Well done.

domenico Foschi
29-Jul-2008, 11:55
Thanks Domenico. I just spent about 20 minutes on your site. Wonderful, timeless photographs. I especially like the simplicity of your Leaves portfolio.

Jim

Jim, thank you for your words.

Jiri Vasina
29-Jul-2008, 23:14
Backcountry road.

http://www.vasina.net/wp-content/gallery/leto/p13x18-117_web.jpg

It's again shot with my Paragon 165mm, the darkness of the top right corner is the insufficient image-circle (for 13×18cm) when rise is used...

Greg Lockrey
30-Jul-2008, 01:13
You're the Man, Jiri. ;) ;)

SamReeves
30-Jul-2008, 15:46
Bow Lake, Alberta...

jim k


http://largeformatgroupimages.jimkitchen.ca/images/07060807_letterbox.jpg

Love the image. Makes me want to go see Tioga real bad right now. Canada has plenty of granite to be proud of as well! :)


Tuweap Valley, Az. Taken this spring.

Excellent work.

Jiri Vasina
30-Jul-2008, 23:00
Thanks Greg ;)

This one was shot from the same spot with an Apo-Ronar 480mm in barrel (I moved a bit to the center of the road, but otherwise). It was more of a test of the lens, to see the perspective. But at the same time I wanted something meaningful - bringing to attention the lit clouds against the pre-storm sky... And the cross symbolism...

http://www.vasina.net/wp-content/gallery/leto/p13x18-118_web.jpg

tmastran
31-Jul-2008, 08:18
Thanks Greg ;)

This one was shot from the same spot with an Apo-Ronar 480mm in barrel (I moved a bit to the center of the road, but otherwise). It was more of a test of the lens, to see the perspective. But at the same time I wanted something meaningful - bringing to attention the lit clouds against the pre-storm sky... And the cross symbolism...



Jiri, These are all excellent! They make me feel like I'm there. The style is similar to what I've tried to achieve recently, although mine seem harsher and less soft than yours.

Ted

paulr
31-Jul-2008, 09:16
Brooklyn ...

jim kitchen
31-Jul-2008, 09:31
Dear Sam,

Thank you for your comments...

We do have several great areas to roam about within Canada. :)

While setting up my equipment to capture this image during the first week of June 2007, it was rather entertaining because a few of the resident fish were jumping out of the open patches of water, and landing on the floating broken ice. They would eventually wiggle their way back to open water...

jim k

ljb0904
31-Jul-2008, 10:17
Holy smokes! That's so cool :-D Thank you!


Laurent...

Nice images! Hey, my wife bought me one of your photos (Echoes of Silence) on a trip to Tucson a few months ago...said she had a chance to talk with you a bit. It's hanging right here in my office...very, very nice work!

Thanks!

Jiri Vasina
31-Jul-2008, 23:46
http://www.vasina.net/wp-content/gallery/leto/p13x18-119_web.jpg

Eric James
31-Jul-2008, 23:53
Hey Paul - that great!

Colin Graham
3-Aug-2008, 09:43
Eastern WA, Quincy Lakes boundary.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3222/2728809586_ab3589b964_o.jpg

Thomas Greutmann
3-Aug-2008, 09:45
Here are three shots from a recent trip to Denmark (the area around Skagen at the top of Jutland):

Linhof Technika, Rodenstock Imagon 250mm, TMAX 100 developed in XTOL
http://www.blackandwhitegallery.de/sample/000482-ll-raabjerg-dune-evening.jpg


Linhof Technika, Rodenstock Imagon 250mm, TMAX 100 developed in XTOL
http://www.blackandwhitegallery.de/sample/000485-ll-raabjerg-forest.jpg


Linhof Technika, Rodenstock Grandagon 90mm with orange filter, TMAX 100 developed in XTOL
http://www.blackandwhitegallery.de/sample/000483-ll-raabjerg-dune-showers.jpg

Colin Graham
3-Aug-2008, 10:25
Glacial erratics and Northern Cascades from Waterville Plateau, eastern WA

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3214/2727978233_c5f2ab256c_o.jpg

Jim Cole
3-Aug-2008, 13:17
Colin,

Love the Quincy Lakes shot. Very dreamy quality.

Lens?

Colin Graham
3-Aug-2008, 13:32
Thanks Jim. That was with a Fujinon 250 6.7 WS, light yellow filter.

Jim Cole
3-Aug-2008, 19:01
Colin,

A lot of beautiful work on your wonderful blog. Sorry you've become a casualty of the times but your camera work will get you through.

My wife and I are moving from Arizona to the Snoqualmie area as soon as we can sell our house in this dismal market. She took a job in Redmond last August and I moved her up expecting to follow in 2-3 months. In May her boss asked if I was moved up yet and when he discovered the answer he told her to go back to AZ and work remotely until the house sells. I'm much happier now that we're back together,but still can't wait to move to Washington and begin my photographic work there.

Good luck,
Jim

Jiri Vasina
3-Aug-2008, 23:08
Leaning tree.

http://www.vasina.net/wp-content/gallery/leto/p13x18-120_web.jpg

Greg Lockrey
3-Aug-2008, 23:15
Leaning tree.

http://www.vasina.net/wp-content/gallery/leto/p13x18-120_web.jpg

WOW! Much more powerful than the first one. ;) ;)

Jiri Vasina
4-Aug-2008, 00:24
Greg, in some fields of art (theater, music) "gradation and suspense" are used to engage the viewer/listener. I wanted to employ something similar here... :) (But now it will be very difficult for me to continue with this trend, though I might still have something there ;) As we say here, each coin has two sides...)

Thanks.

seabird
4-Aug-2008, 00:24
Congratulations all. Some great images here. I'll lower the tone (no pun intended) a bit by posting a cliche:



Purakanui Falls, Otago, New Zealand
Technika with Nikkor SW-90mm APX100 in Rodinal

Cheers from Australasia
Carey

Brian_A
4-Aug-2008, 01:25
WOW! Much more powerful than the first one. ;) ;)

I second that motion!

-Brian

Miguel Coquis
4-Aug-2008, 03:20
Trees&Road

Jim Cole
4-Aug-2008, 09:42
WOW! Much more powerful than the first one. ;) ;)

I'll third that statement.

Jiri Vasina
4-Aug-2008, 11:21
Thanks guys. I'll try to keep up my work...

Daniele Minetto
4-Aug-2008, 11:27
Here is a couple taken in the last year..

First taken at Easdale, Scotland. Ebony 45SU Schneider 80mm SSXL. 80s at f/16 on new Velvia 50

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z248/timparkin/2612444617_625e5babcf.jpg

This second one is taken at Rannoch Moor, Scotland. Schneider 110 SSXL. 25s at f/22 on new Velvia 50

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z248/timparkin/2613278416_a22e22ff6e.jpg

Finally, here is a close shot of some English Stonecrop at Strangles, Cornwall. Rodenstock 150 Sironar S. 1s at f/22 on new Velvia 50.

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z248/timparkin/2601481539_d749cb81a1.jpg
These are really great! Many compliments Tim!

Jim Fitzgerald
4-Aug-2008, 19:54
Well, I guess I should jump into this thread. 8x10 and 4x5 shots on Efke pl-25. Pyrocat-HD minimal agitation.

Louie Powell
5-Aug-2008, 09:54
Here's one from the Eastern US - in the tiny town of Battenville, NY back during the winter.

Zone VI, Efke 100 exposed at EI 50 with a graduated ND filter used to shade the bright snow in the foreground and processed in HC-110 dilution H.

Daniel Grenier
5-Aug-2008, 11:59
How about another landscape thread. I will start this off with a recent Mon Valley image. 5X7 Wisner 305 G Claron.

Donald.

I can't help but notice that since you've moved to AZ, your photography has taken a drastic turn it seems to me (for the better, that is). Personnaly, I've moved to the country on a lake a couple years back and my general interest in photography has taken a surprising turn since (for the worse, in my case).

Am I correct in noticing your relocating has greatly influenced your photography ?

Donald Miller
5-Aug-2008, 12:59
Donald.

I can't help but notice that since you've moved to AZ, your photography has taken a drastic turn it seems to me (for the better, that is). Personnaly, I've moved to the country on a lake a couple years back and my general interest in photography has taken a surprising turn since (for the worse, in my case).

Am I correct in noticing your relocating has greatly influenced your photography ?

Hi Daniel,

I don't know how much the change of location has influenced me. I know that there have been some changes...more images including people, more about aspects of form...less about landscapes and "known" objects. All of that has changed since I moved to Arizona...perhaps it would have happened regardless of where I lived...I really honestly don't know.

Nice hearing from you again. Good luck to you.

gari beet
5-Aug-2008, 14:13
One taken about half a mile along from where Tim's was taken.
Port a' Mhuilinn, Seil Island looking to Scarba and Luing. Known as the the slate isles.
Tachi, 90SA, .3 and .6 NDGrads. 5sec@f32 rdpIII.

Jim Cole
5-Aug-2008, 20:54
gari,

Beautiful. Both the foreground and the sky lead your eye to the same point on the water. Very nice!

SamReeves
7-Aug-2008, 10:47
Leaning tree.

http://www.vasina.net/wp-content/gallery/leto/p13x18-120_web.jpg


Congratulations all. Some great images here. I'll lower the tone (no pun intended) a bit by posting a cliche:



Purakanui Falls, Otago, New Zealand
Technika with Nikkor SW-90mm APX100 in Rodinal

Cheers from Australasia
Carey

Great work from both you. I'm enjoying this thread a lot. Keep posting!

Steve M Hostetter
7-Aug-2008, 11:47
You all do fantastic work..! here's one of mine on 8x10

jim kitchen
7-Aug-2008, 22:08
Guys,

As a newbie that is constantly being amazed by what I see, can I ask that you add what film as well as developer that you are using?

Donald Miller
Erik Larsen
Jim Kitchen
Marko Trebusak
Brian Kosoff
Jiri Vasina

I look at the photos by these guys in just this thread alone and I am bowing in respect and awe.



Merci, young man...

To be included is a surprise, since I admire their images too.

That said, I apologize for reading this post as late as I did, and to answer your question, I use TMY rated at 250 developed with XTOL 1:1 @20 Celsius.

jim k

fenderbja
7-Aug-2008, 22:30
http://www.brandonallenphotography.com/posts/BridalVeilFalls_small.jpg

Bridal Veil Falls. Provo, Utah.
Freaking old Eastman No. 1 8x10 Field View Camera. Radar Anst. 12" Lens. Tmax 100.

Brian_A
8-Aug-2008, 01:01
Freaking love it :D

-Brian

SamReeves
8-Aug-2008, 11:39
Tunnel #7 on the old Central Pacific mainline at Donner Pass, California in 2002. Union Pacific will be restoring the historic mainline overlooking Donner Lake next year if all goes to plan.

http://www.samreevesphoto.com/posts/CT45020612_3post.jpg

Ken Lee
9-Aug-2008, 17:20
http://www.kenleegallery.com/images/forum/img313.jpg
Massachusetts
5x7 Sinar P 450 Fujinon C
TMY Pyrocat HD

gflanslo
9-Aug-2008, 20:25
San Luis Obispo, ca
Cambo 4x5
Rodenstock 5.6 210mm
portra 160vc

Alex Hawley
9-Aug-2008, 22:35
Hunert' year-ol' Folmer & Schwing 7x17, FP4+ (new :p ), 15" Wollensak, Slavich Unibrom G3. 40-second exposure.

jim kitchen
11-Aug-2008, 00:08
Great images folks...

jim k


A summer's day, near Red Deer, Alberta, Canada

http://largeformatgroupimages.jimkitchen.ca/images/redDeer_AB.jpg

jim kitchen
11-Aug-2008, 00:16
Tunnel #7 on the old Central Pacific mainline at Donner Pass, California in 2002. Union Pacific will be restoring the historic mainline overlooking Donner Lake next year if all goes to plan.

http://www.samreevesphoto.com/posts/CT45020612_3post.jpg

Sam,

That must cost a fortune...

Well done.

jim k

Collin Orthner
11-Aug-2008, 07:11
Great images folks...

jim k


A summer's day, near Red Deer, Alberta, Canada

http://largeformatgroupimages.jimkitchen.ca/images/redDeer_AB.jpg

I'm really enjoying your posts here Jim. You have some excellent work. It's great to see Alberta represented with some images. I'll have to get busy and get some on here soon too. I live in Red Deer and this is Slack Slough if I'm not mistaken?

jim kitchen
11-Aug-2008, 09:59
Thank you Collin...

I would love to see some of your images. :)

jim k


Late afternoon, storm clouds, setting sun, forest fire smoke in a valley South and West of Longview, Alberta.

http://largeformatgroupimages.jimkitchen.ca/images/southAndWestOfLongview.jpg

Jiri Vasina
11-Aug-2008, 14:01
Jim K, I love the afternoon setting sun one. The tonality and atmosphere are great (not that the second one is bad, I like this one more :) ).

Jiri

jetcode
11-Aug-2008, 14:08
I enjoy your images Jim. You have a great eye and the skill to produce awesome interpretations. These last two are excellent. I think they are unique statements and tonality is exquisite. Are these web images from traditional prints?

Michael Kadillak
11-Aug-2008, 14:33
Rural landscape from recent trip to Montana.

jim kitchen
12-Aug-2008, 00:17
Dear Jiri and Joe,

Merci, again for your comments...

Jiri, when I first came upon the second forest fire smoke filled scene, I almost knew immediately how I wanted to capture and print this information. The image demanded that the negative information should be captured as viewed, and not expanded as I tend to do when presented with information this narrow, and that the image should be printed with softer tighter tones, compared to filling the entire spectrum. The first image, near Slack Slough as Collin mentioned, happened to be a very brilliant Alberta summer day, so I captured the negative information; accordingly, and printed the image with same great luminosity.

All my negatives, past and present, are exposed and developed to accommodate printing on a grade two paper only, as I have for more years than I can remember, using techniques that everyone is familiar with, but I surrendered the darkroom about three years ago to rid myself of any remorse I may have had, for possibly contaminating the local environment.

Unfortunately for the environment, but fortunate for my images, I still shoot film, where I try to dispose my film processing chemicals safely, and wisely...

That said, my traditional silver printing days are a memory, where I currently marry my negatives to the digital world by previewing my negatives on my lowly Epson scanner, and where I will selectively isolate a negative to drum scan, allowing me to post process the finished image, while mimicking my traditional darkroom process. I prepare my scanned negatives for digital printing, with a mindset that dictates I am still working the image in the darkroom, using any previous darkroom knowledge to make a new image, where the finished image closely resembles my darkroom silver prints. I am totally fortunate and completely satisfied, knowing that an image displayed on my calibrated monitor contains the presented tonal range for the finished printed image, using the ink set, and paper I have chosen.

My passion for presenting a quality finished printed image has never wavered, but the darkroom tools in my hand surely have. :)

Again, thank you all for your kind comments...


jim k

jim kitchen
12-Aug-2008, 00:21
I live in Red Deer and this is Slack Slough if I'm not mistaken?

Hi Collin,

So that is what they call that great pond of water... :)

Thank you,

jim k

jim kitchen
12-Aug-2008, 00:38
Here is another image I captured and printed twenty years ago, where this image makes many Albertans feel at home...

jim k

A stormy late summer afternoon, near Longview, Alberta, Canada again. :)

http://largeformatgroupimages.jimkitchen.ca/images/AugustDayNearLongview.jpg

Brian_A
12-Aug-2008, 00:47
I love the tonal range in the photo you made Jim. Great image!

-Brian

Greg Lockrey
12-Aug-2008, 01:15
Here is another image I captured and printed twenty years ago, where this image makes many Albertans feel at home...

jim k

A stormy late summer afternoon, near Longview, Alberta, Canada again. :)



WOW!

Looks like Michigan at harvest time also. ;)

jetcode
12-Aug-2008, 01:18
We rarely get that kind of atmospheric on the West Coast. Jim I think a website of your images would be welcome in the public. Personally I'd like to see more.

Greg Lockrey
12-Aug-2008, 02:02
We rarely get that kind of atmospheric on the West Coast. Jim I think a website of your images would be welcome in the public. Personally I'd like to see more.

That's because you get all of that sunshine and smog. :)

Vaughn
12-Aug-2008, 02:51
A recent one (7/21/08, printed Sunday)

Scanned platinum/palladium print
8x10 negative
FujiW 300mm, f90 at 30 seconds

al olson
12-Aug-2008, 11:42
Jim K.

Wonderful photo, "stormy late summer afternoon".

I especially like the way you captured the light and how the drama comes through above the tranquil field of hay bales.

Was this by any chance IR?

jim kitchen
12-Aug-2008, 12:46
Jim K.

Wonderful photo, "stormy late summer afternoon".

I especially like the way you captured the light and how the drama comes through above the tranquil field of hay bales.

Was this by any chance IR?

Hi Al,

Thank you, and the film was not infrared...

I think the last time I touched IR happened to be when I was sixteen and brain-dead at the beach. :)

That said, this happened to be a very blustery day in southwest corner of Alberta, where the wind pours over the mountain tops in waves, especially when the jet stream runs parallel with the mountain chain. The leading edge of the first row of clouds trails the tail edge of the preceding row, creating gaps or opportunities for sunlight to fall upon the ground. I remember watching this scene unfold in front of me, while arranging my equipment, and I knew that the scene would repeat itself over the course of the next hour, so I patiently waited for the next round of clouds to rip through.

The wind can be above 100kph at ground level while this event occurs so close to the mountains, because of the wind's wave action, where the bottom of the wave presses against the surface. I think I had a huge anchor that day tied to my waist...

jim k

jim kitchen
12-Aug-2008, 12:52
We rarely get that kind of atmospheric on the West Coast. Jim I think a website of your images would be welcome in the public. Personally I'd like to see more.

Dear Joe,

Merci, again...

I am constantly working on my website in my spare time, but it is far from being a prime time event. That said, I will definitely post the address when the site is ready, and I after weed out the crap... :)

jim k

jetcode
12-Aug-2008, 13:03
Jim,

It took me a good 100 hours over several months to put up my latest site and it's simple. Of course I had to start from scratch and learn Dreamweaver.

I think you have a nice portolio with the most recent 3 images.

Joe

jim kitchen
12-Aug-2008, 13:36
WOW!

Looks like Michigan at harvest time also. ;)

Dear Greg,

I have found memories of Michigan, since I went to school as young rebel in Windsor, Ontario, across from Detroit. I had many great buddies from Michigan, where we would get together along the cottage country in Essex County during the summer, and have fun. My first heartbeat fell to a young lady from Ferndale, the second was to a young lady in Livonia, and then my heart skipped a beat in Saginaw. :)

During the fall we would cruise Woodward Avenue within Royal Oak, blasting Bob Seger's music out the car window for the world to hear, because a young Michiganian, co-rider, and very close friend of mine at the time happened to be Billy Mueller, an excellent guitarist for Bob Seger. That young man could really play the guitar, and his musical memory was incredible, since he could hear a song once, then play it. Billy's career blossomed, and his group sang the lead song for the movie "The Cowboy Way."

Anyway, I :) Michigan.

jim k

Jiri Vasina
12-Aug-2008, 23:55
Poppy seeds.


http://www.vasina.net/wp-content/gallery/leto/p13x18-122_web.jpg

Chamonix 5×8", 13×18cm Fomapan 100, Xenar 210mm

Greg Lockrey
13-Aug-2008, 03:32
Dear Greg,

I have found memories of Michigan, since I went to school as young rebel in Windsor, Ontario, across from Detroit. I had many great buddies from Michigan, where we would get together along the cottage country in Essex County during the summer, and have fun. My first heartbeat fell to a young lady from Ferndale, the second was to a young lady in Livonia, and then my heart skipped a beat in Saginaw. :)

During the fall we would cruise Woodward Avenue within Royal Oak, blasting Bob Seger's music out the car window for the world to hear, because a young Michiganian, co-rider, and very close friend of mine at the time happened to be Billy Mueller, an excellent guitarist for Bob Seger. That young man could really play the guitar, and his musical memory was incredible, since he could hear a song once, then play it. Billy's career blossomed, and his group sang the lead song for the movie "The Cowboy Way."

Anyway, I :) Michigan.

jim k


Sounds like you're in my age group (I'm 60). I remember Bob Seger at high school sock hops and Ted Nuget too. Used to go to Detroit's Grande' Ballroom to see all the greats for only $2.50.

Miguel Coquis
13-Aug-2008, 04:27
[QUOTE=Jiri Vasina;378657]Poppy seeds.
I like this image, Jiri.
Nice matter in there, very rich and subtle middle tones range.
Are you working with filters or diluted dev ?
Thanks,
Miguel

Jiri Vasina
13-Aug-2008, 05:00
Miguel, I used yellow-green filter and my standard R09 1:40 development. I had to tame the sky digitally a bit, though...

jim kitchen
13-Aug-2008, 11:46
Sounds like you're in my age group (I'm 60). I remember Bob Seger at high school sock hops and Ted Nuget too. Used to go to Detroit's Grande' Ballroom to see all the greats for only $2.50.

Dear Greg,

I am close, but not that close to the big six 0...

My body still has a nineteen year old brain locked up inside, waiting to get out and have some fun, where my body tempers the youngster by long hikes, capturing a few images periodically, and working.

We may have run into each other at the Grande. :)

jim k

Jim Fitzgerald
13-Aug-2008, 21:18
Dear Greg,

I am close, but not that close to the big six 0...

My body still has a nineteen year old brain locked up inside, waiting to get out and have some fun, where my body tempers the youngster by long hikes, capturing a few images periodically, and working.

We may have run into each other at the Grande. :)

jim k

Jim & Greg, got three years to go before the big 60. For me it was the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium. Tickets were $3.50 for Orchestra Pit!
My problem is also the 19 year old brain in the body that is holding up well enough to lug out the 11x14 and 8x20 on some decent hikes.

Jim

jim kitchen
13-Aug-2008, 21:33
Jim & Greg, got three years to go before the big 60. For me it was the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium. Tickets were $3.50 for Orchestra Pit!
My problem is also the 19 year old brain in the body that is holding up well enough to lug out the 11x14 and 8x20 on some decent hikes.

Jim

Jim,

Life is good, hiking is excellent, and a great image once a year is wondrous too... :)

jim k

Jim Fitzgerald
13-Aug-2008, 21:49
Jim,

Life is good, hiking is excellent, and a great image once a year is wondrous too... :)

jim k

Jim, I agree! I'm always working on the great image part. Even if I don't expose a single sheet of film it is great just being out. I've very much enjoyed your images.

Jim

Jiri Vasina
13-Aug-2008, 23:27
Jim k, thanks.

Here is another one titled "Is a storm coming?"


http://www.vasina.net/wp-content/gallery/leto/p13x18-123_web.jpg

Chamonix 5×8", Fomapan 100 13×18cm, Repro-Claron 305mm

Greg Lockrey
14-Aug-2008, 00:31
I have to say that I have never been a real fan Landscape Photography till I seen some of the work that has been presented here and on the "Tree" thread and a couple of others. Jim, Jim and Jiri, you guys inspire me. ;) ;) I'm going to have to close my shop for a few days and go out and shoot something before it all becomes a strip mall.

Jiri Vasina
14-Aug-2008, 01:53
Oh, thanks Greg. But I personally think I don't belong in that group (yet), I have to master my vision a bit yet...

This last picture, the cloud was really stunning. But it was rather difficult to capture it - I spent more than 45 minutes looking for a spot to shoot it from (the general composition), hoping it would last that long, evolving in the meantime. And surprisingly, it did last :) . Finishing touches for the composition were quick once I found the place...

Greg Lockrey
14-Aug-2008, 02:34
I know the process very well and it's mostly about the waiting to be be there at the "right" time. IMO your compositional skills are impeccable. As we used to say in art school, "you fill the page well".

jim kitchen
14-Aug-2008, 09:40
Jim k, thanks.

Here is another one titled "Is a storm coming?"


http://www.vasina.net/wp-content/gallery/leto/p13x18-123_web.jpg

Chamonix 58", Fomapan 100 1318cm, Repro-Claron 305mm

Jiri,

You are welcome...

This composition is very stunning, and well balanced.

Out of curiosity, do you use anything, such as a viewing card to preview the compositions that unfold in front of you? I ask because I always have a viewing card in my hand that mimics the 8X10 format, looking at the scene in front of me, while hiking or whatever, and if the scene looks worthy of an attempt, the camera equipment comes off my back... :)

Nicely done.

jim k

jim kitchen
14-Aug-2008, 09:43
I have to say that I have never been a real fan Landscape Photography till I seen some of the work that has been presented here and on the "Tree" thread and a couple of others. Jim, Jim and Jiri, you guys inspire me. ;) ;) I'm going to have to close my shop for a few days and go out and shoot something before it all becomes a strip mall.

Greg,

Merci...

Don't forget your bear spray, and your keys... :)

jim k

Jiri Vasina
14-Aug-2008, 09:59
No, I don't use a viewing card. I don't have one. I tried to use one some years ago when I was still shooting Pentax 6x7, but it did not last long.

As of late, I generally see the composition with my mind's eye, and then choose one of the lenses to fit most closely with my vision. At the moment these are the lenses I can choose from: G-Claron 150mm (which supplants the Ilex Paragon 165mm), Xenar 210mm, Repro-Claron 305mm and Apo-Ronar 480mm. One of these lenses together with my legs will usually help me finish the composition on 5×8"/13×18cm. (I don't mind cropping the image up to 90-85% size, but not more. But generally try to use as much as possible).

jim kitchen
14-Aug-2008, 13:30
No, I don't use a viewing card. I don't have one. I tried to use one some years ago when I was still shooting Pentax 6x7, but it did not last long.

As of late, I generally see the composition with my mind's eye, and then choose one of the lenses to fit most closely with my vision. At the moment these are the lenses I can choose from: G-Claron 150mm (which supplants the Ilex Paragon 165mm), Xenar 210mm, Repro-Claron 305mm and Apo-Ronar 480mm. One of these lenses together with my legs will usually help me finish the composition on 58"/1318cm. (I don't mind cropping the image up to 90-85% size, but not more. But generally try to use as much as possible).

Dear Jiri,

I agree the viewing cards do not last very long, the flimsy things that they can be, but I find that I must use a viewing card to completely divorce myself from inadvertently setting up the camera too quickly, and being fooled by the vision of the finished image within my mind, which happens too frequently at the higher elevations. I find this separation to be very therapeutic, because it forces me to look at several possible images through the view's opening from a particular vantage point, allows me time to preview the composition prior to setting up the camera, sets the visual boundaries of the composition for the camera's ground glass, and allows me the time to make a conscious decision whether to capture the image or not. For the moment, I am accustomed to holding the card at a specific distance from my dominant eye to show the viewing angle of my lens, therefore assisting with the lens selection.

The card I use happens to be an 8-ply 11X14 mount board with a 4X5 opening, black on one side, white on the other, where the black side faces me directly subduing all extraneous information outside the scene.

There is excellent fun to be said about scrambling to capture an image, adding to the adventure of the moment, since I do this too... :)

Incidentally, the focal lengths of your lenses mimic my collection, and I do like the success you have with your image's composition...


jim k

jim kitchen
14-Aug-2008, 13:45
An image from last summer, along one of our fabulous Provincial summer roads...

jim k


A beaver pond and Mount Kidd, Kananaskis Country, Alberta, Canada

http://largeformatgroupimages.jimkitchen.ca/images/mountKid_Alberta.jpg

Jiri Vasina
14-Aug-2008, 13:51
jim, I'm not saying I get it right all the time :) You only see the ones I deem worthy, and even there I might be too optimistic.

I'm at all not dismissing the idea of using viewing card. The larger the format, the more sense it makes (at least to me) to use one. But it just did not fit my flow. I try to locate the general composition I want to capture, then I walk/look around the place for the exact composition. After I have decided what and how to shoot, I unpack the camera, set it up, choose a lens most suitable for the photo. Then I try to look critically at the GG and I think 1/4 of the cases I fold the camera - the picture does not show what I want. I may look around for a better one, though...

The last photo with the cloud, on that afternoon I was not in a perfect photography mood, have driven almost 100km looking for a photo in places I have been too tens of times (and those that I like), have looked a lot, have set up the camera 4 times, clicked the shutter twice and the first you have just seen. The second photo I'm preparing for presentation at the moment, I hope to have it finished tomorrow...

With your viewing card, you might have looked through it at more photos, get more photos, and save the hassle of setting up the camera twice. But what the heck... (It's another practical training Bruce Barlow might consider worthy).

I also think it depends on the kind of pictures you are shooting, the kind of landscape you encounter, and very much, the mood you are in, how easy it is to concentrate on composition...

Jiri Vasina
14-Aug-2008, 13:53
And that is one I'd be proud of... I want to sit on a rock next to the pond, looking at the mountains, enjoying the view, enjoying the sun on me....

Greg Lockrey
14-Aug-2008, 20:05
An image from last summer, along one of our fabulous Provincial summer roads...

jim k


A beaver pond and Mount Kidd, Kananaskis Country, Alberta, Canada



This one is "eye candy", Jim. The only way it could be better is if it was a stereo image. :)

Is the fishing any good in that pond? Looks good for my float tube and fly rod. ;);)

jim kitchen
14-Aug-2008, 20:07
jim, I'm not saying I get it right all the time :) You only see the ones I deem worthy, and even there I might be too optimistic.

I enjoy your images, and I am certain many others within this forum would like to see more of your work too...


I'm at all not dismissing the idea of using viewing card. The larger the format, the more sense it makes (at least to me) to use one. But it just did not fit my flow.

Everyone has their own technique for previewing a scene, and your technique is a labour of love too...


The second photo I'm preparing for presentation at the moment, I hope to have it finished tomorrow...

That will be great to see another scene...


With your viewing card, you might have looked through it at more photos, get more photos, and save the hassle of setting up the camera twice. But what the heck... (It's another practical training Bruce Barlow might consider worthy).

The method I use allows me to keep the camera on my back... :)


I also think it depends on the kind of pictures you are shooting, the kind of landscape you encounter, and very much, the mood you are in, how easy it is to concentrate on composition...

I certainly get asked the question, "What mood were you in when you captured that image?" and my answer is usually, "I have no idea..."

Anyway, I really look forward to viewing more of your work, because I find it refreshing, just like I find Colin Graham's images.

jim k

Jiri Vasina
14-Aug-2008, 23:14
And here it is. I'd call this one: "What's up behind that hill?"


http://www.vasina.net/wp-content/gallery/leto/p13x18-124_web.jpg

Chamonix 5×8", 13×18cm Fomapan 100, Ilex Paragon 165mm. I had to use a split ND filter on this one, obviously...

Steve Duprey
15-Aug-2008, 13:01
Jiri,

I've been admiring your work, and learning from it, for some time now. This discussion on your approach to composition has given me a lot to think about and integrate into my working practice. Please continue to post and discuss your work, as it is an inspiration to many of us who are "beginners" on this journey.

One question that has been nagging at me for a while now is how you get the beautiful image tone? Is it a paper selection, or developer, or some other combination of factors? I've recently started to think that "cool-tone, glossy paper toned in selenium" is not as appropriate for some of my work as I'd thought. Your input would be appreciated.

Best regards,

-Steve Duprey

jim kitchen
15-Aug-2008, 14:31
This one is "eye candy", Jim. The only way it could be better is if it was a stereo image. :)

Is the fishing any good in that pond? Looks good for my float tube and fly rod. ;);)

Dear Greg,

Merci...

There are several species of trout throughout the immediate area, where most, if not all fishing is catch and release. My twelve-year old son is quite an avid fly fisherman, and fly tying expert. Alex carries my film in a separate backpack, while we hike and discuss the world around us, where we periodically stumble upon trout filled ponds and streams, and all Alex can do is watch the fish jump. :)

jim k

jim kitchen
15-Aug-2008, 14:37
And here it is. I'd call this one: "What's up behind that hill?"


http://www.vasina.net/wp-content/gallery/leto/p13x18-124_web.jpg

Chamonix 58", 1318cm Fomapan 100, Ilex Paragon 165mm. I had to use a split ND filter on this one, obviously...

Dear Jiri,

This image is nicely done...

jim k

jim kitchen
15-Aug-2008, 14:42
Some late evening clouds to compliment Jiri's images...

jim k

Jumping Pound Road, Alberta, Canada.

http://largeformatgroupimages.jimkitchen.ca/images/jumpingPoundRoad.jpg

Jiri Vasina
15-Aug-2008, 15:04
Jiri,

I've been admiring your work, and learning from it, for some time now. This discussion on your approach to composition has given me a lot to think about and integrate into my working practice. Please continue to post and discuss your work, as it is an inspiration to many of us who are "beginners" on this journey.

One question that has been nagging at me for a while now is how you get the beautiful image tone? Is it a paper selection, or developer, or some other combination of factors? I've recently started to think that "cool-tone, glossy paper toned in selenium" is not as appropriate for some of my work as I'd thought. Your input would be appreciated.

Best regards,

-Steve Duprey

Steve, thanks, but I'm just a beginner too :) I'm using LF for some 2 years, and prior to that I've been shooting Pentax 6x7 for 3-4 years (and this era I now consider alike to "kindergarden". Now I might be in the "grammar school"). So you see, I'm just a beginner in comparison with all the titans here... And I know of a lot of people I can learn from - for example just yesterday I discovered this photographer here, Igor Svibilsky (http://www.photographyforever.com/ria/index.html)... At the moment I'm studying his works, and like it a lot. I don't know what equipment he is using, I have not looked at that (the pictures are more important)...

As to the tone: I'm working in hybrid workflow - camera, scanner (V700), image editing, toning (using modified version of Ken Lee (http://www.kenleegallery.com/)'s quadtone settings). Ken has since improved his workflow (Fill Layer instead of Quadtone), but at the moment I stay where I am. As of a few days past, I have added Epson 1400 printer, and for the print I have yet to tweak my color settings, though.

Thanks again for your kind words.

Jiri Vasina
15-Aug-2008, 15:07
Yeah Jim, the clouds are (almost) always there for us to use for personal expression... Nice.

jnanian
28-Aug-2008, 10:35
...

GSX4
28-Aug-2008, 11:26
Here are some neg scans of mine all done with 4x5.

The first two are from Sedona AZ, and the last one was done last weekend at Minnehaha Falls MN with my new Chamonix and 203mm Ektar

ljb0904
28-Aug-2008, 11:54
GSX4, that first one is from Sedona? I've never seen Supai sandstone sculpted like that.

GSX4
28-Aug-2008, 12:05
Sorry, this one is Antelope Canyon... My Bad. the second one is Sedona
GSX4, that first one is from Sedona? I've never seen Supai sandstone sculpted like that.

GSX4
28-Aug-2008, 13:38
Beuatiful image John
...

jnanian
28-Aug-2008, 18:37
thanks andrew :)

i keep looking at the right-most falls u posted ( minehaha )
and saying: wow!

Colin Graham
28-Aug-2008, 19:03
Sea oats, Hatteras NC

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3246/2807560578_169cd28e1f.jpg

h2oman
29-Aug-2008, 12:37
Colin,

I'm usually a color guy, but your B&Ws really strike a chord with me. Great work, as usual! With a bit more work I could figure it out, but I'll just ask, what format (ratio) are you shooting?

Gregg Waterman

PS I don't know if you are familiar with this guy, but you seem to be sort of kindred spirits. I heard of him when looking at a book of Jay Dusard's landscape images.

http://www.davidhgibson.com/index.html

Hugo Zhang
29-Aug-2008, 12:45
Colin,

What a beautiful picture! It gives me joy as your other prints always do.

Colin Graham
29-Aug-2008, 13:17
Gregg and Hugo, thanks very much for the comments.

Gregg, I shoot 5x12 mostly, though this one was from a 4x5 masked to the same ratio. Many thanks for the link too. I'd not heard of Gibson, much wonderful stuff there. I especially like the Ephermal Moments set. One for the bookmarks for sure.

Jiri Vasina
31-Aug-2008, 23:57
Sunflowers in summer.


http://www.vasina.net/wp-content/gallery/leto/p13x18-138_web.jpg

Fomapan 100 13×18cm, Chamonix 5×8", Ilex Paragon 165mm.

W K Longcor
1-Sep-2008, 12:01
Steve, thanks, but I'm just a beginner too :) I'm using LF for some 2 years, and prior to that I've been shooting Pentax 6x7 for 3-4 years (and this era I now consider alike to "kindergarden". Now I might be in the "grammar school"). So you see, I'm just a beginner in comparison with all the titans here... And I know of a lot of people I can learn from - for example just yesterday I discovered this photographer here, Igor Svibilsky (http://www.photographyforever.com/ria/index.html)... At the moment I'm studying his works, and like it a lot. I don't know what equipment he is using, I have not looked at that (the pictures are more important)....

Jiri -- You make me feel very humble. I had done commercial photography for almost 30 years before "retiring" ( I went on to something else when the business went digital). My work was technically good, but I never did much in the way of "scenic" photograph -- and, I feel as though my skills are lacking along those line. Now -- you say you are a "beginner". Your work in LF may be beginning , but your EYE is very accomplished. Thank you for mentioning the Igo Svibilsky web site. His work is wonderful, as is much of the work you have shown on this forum. As of late, I have added two photographers to my list of FAVORITES -- Igor & Jiri. Two of my long time favorites for scenic and pictorial have been Adolf Fassbender and Leonard Messone. By the way, back in the 1930's ( I believe) Messone did a small book / portfolio of his work -- a paperback of about 11x14 proportion. If anyone has a copy that they may want to part with -- please let me know. I've been looking for years.

Jiri Vasina
1-Sep-2008, 13:11
Jiri -- You make me feel very humble. ... you say you are a "beginner". Your work in LF may be beginning , but your EYE is very accomplished. ...

W K, don't feel that way, if you only knew how many times my eye has let me down? All those sheets I "wasted" (well, some insist on calling them - failed trials - and I think of them as that exactly).

I think the two most influential thinks in my photography was the reading I've done this past year: Bruce Barlow's Finely Focused and LensWork magazine. I've read the first 56 issues. I did feel the change in me when I was reading them and thinking what was written there. And enjoying and studying the portfolios.

And what I find most important? That although I find the time to actually venture out with the camera only once or twice a month, although I work on the images only once or twice a week, I spend at least an hour a day either reading the LensWork magazine, studying the portfolios/or more often looking around me for possible photos, imagining that I have my camera with me and how would I set it up, what lens would I use and what would I compose and how, even if it is only a mental workup. And that I can do even while guarding my daughter at playground, when at work, when on the tram... And I do it each and every single day.

jim kitchen
1-Sep-2008, 21:20
Sunflowers in summer.

Dear Jiri,

Very impressive image...

Now I know where my sunflower seeds come from. :)

jim k

Chris Dunham
1-Sep-2008, 22:19
Sunflowers in summer.

Jiri,

Man, your images rock ! I get a whole lot of inspiration from your work, please keep posting your shots.

Chris.

jim kitchen
1-Sep-2008, 23:40
A new image from this past August...

jim k


Ranchlands, Saddle Mountain Road, Willow Valley MD, Alberta, Canada.

http://largeformatgroupimages.jimkitchen.ca/images/afternoonWillowValley_.jpg

Greg Lockrey
1-Sep-2008, 23:55
A new image from this past August...

jim k


Ranchlands, Saddle Mountain Road, Willow Valley MD, Alberta, Canada.



Love it! Your use of tones are amazing.

Greg Lockrey
1-Sep-2008, 23:56
Sunflowers in summer.

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Fomapan 100 1318cm, Chamonix 58", Ilex Paragon 165mm.

Another good one , Jiri.

Jiri Vasina
2-Sep-2008, 00:07
Jim k, that's another beauty too...

Greg, thanks.

Colin Graham
2-Sep-2008, 12:20
Not sure if there was more mist in the landscape or in the lens, but I like the result.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3168/2821491757_f943249bb8_o.jpg

PViapiano
2-Sep-2008, 18:16
Colin...

Are you scanning negs or printing in a wet darkroom for your finished images?

If using wet, what are you diffusing with?

Nice shots...!

Colin Graham
2-Sep-2008, 18:21
I'm mostly scanning for digital negs right now. But I do diffuse with a variety of different paper types and dodge/burn with glass masks when contact printing. My favorite is registering glass over the negative and drawing on it with red sharpies and markers. I print kallitypes and carbon transfers now mainly from digital negatives, and have been trying to replicate some of these methods digitally, as the collection of masks can quickly become a burden. But it's still great fun to experiment, especially with crappy negatives. The results can be pretty interesting. Thanks for the comment!

jim kitchen
2-Sep-2008, 21:41
But I do diffuse with a variety of different paper types and dodge/burn with glass masks when contact printing. <snip> The results can be pretty interesting. Thanks for the comment!


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3168/2821491757_f943249bb8_o.jpg


Dear Collin,

Your vision for a finished image happens to be a gift...

Damn good images and technique. :)

jim k

Jiri Vasina
2-Sep-2008, 23:00
Collin, the dreamy quality of your landscapes is always interesting, and this one especially so. Plain wonderful...

Colin Graham
3-Sep-2008, 08:26
Thanks kindly Jim and Jiri, your comments are very encouraging. Glad this came across ok.

Kirk Gittings
3-Sep-2008, 08:57
Nice image Jim.

Ken Lee
3-Sep-2008, 20:49
http://www.kenleegallery.com/images/forum/img318.jpg
Sinar P 450mm Fujiinon-C
5x7 FP4+ Pyrocat MC

jetcode
3-Sep-2008, 21:40
Sea oats, Hatteras NC

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3246/2807560578_169cd28e1f.jpg

Amazing image Colin ... love to see a nice print of that in the semi-largish size ... Joe

jetcode
3-Sep-2008, 21:41
http://www.kenleegallery.com/images/forum/img318.jpg
Sinar P 450mm Fujiinon-C
5x7 FP4+ Pyrocat MC

this is a really nice image and I wish there wasn't JPG compression artifacting in it ...

Jiri Vasina
3-Sep-2008, 23:06
Ken, the cloud is good, very good... just the perfect thing to kick the imagination... I think it would deserve a proper scanning (the newton rings everywhere...). As is, it's letting down a very good picture.

Jiri Vasina
3-Sep-2008, 23:27
Slow waves.


http://www.vasina.net/wp-content/gallery/leto/p5x8-009_web.jpg

For weeks I have been looking for something like this. I wanted to capture a picture of countryside similar to the one of Tuscany trees and rolling hills so well known and so much photographed - you most probably know which one. I wanted to show both to me and also to others that such a wonderful landscape is closer to me, can be found literally "in my backyard" (well, it's 50km from my home, but still...).

This is also to show to you, foreigners, that not only Prague is worth seeing in the Czech Republic, that the countryside has it's beauties too :) ... (and I know, that some of you have already found that out too ;) ).

Chamonix 5&#215;8", 5&#215;8" Adox CHS 25, Schneider Xenar 210mm.

C. D. Keth
4-Sep-2008, 00:35
That's great, Jiri. A very nice treatment of a simple subject.

It looks like that tuft of grass left long in the middle of the field may yield an interesting subject, too. I don't know if that is a well, an immoveable stone or stump or what, but it may be worth looking into. ;)

Jiri Vasina
4-Sep-2008, 00:50
Christopher, it seemed to be a kind of natural well, or very wet ground unsuitable for crops.

Yeah, I plan to return there again. It's a nice place...

Ken Lee
4-Sep-2008, 04:26
I am surprised that anyone can see the Newton's Rings in such a small image.

But I confess: Lately, I have been making low-resolution scans, and have not mounted the film properly. No more of that.

Thank you for your helpful criticism !

jetcode
4-Sep-2008, 04:28
Ken, the cloud is good, very good... just the perfect thing to kick the imagination... I think it would deserve a proper scanning (the newton rings everywhere...). As is, it's letting down a very good picture.

Yes JPG compression artifacts would appear everywhere in the image.

Colin Graham
4-Sep-2008, 08:15
Amazing image Colin ... love to see a nice print of that in the semi-largish size ... Joe

Thanks Joe!

Funny, this one is a little artifact-heavy too. I converted it to 8 bit and accidentally overwrote the original file or I would have posted a larger version.

Ken, I hope you re-post that cloud image, it was...heavenly!

jim kitchen
4-Sep-2008, 12:32
Slow waves.

For weeks I have been looking for something like this.

This is also to show to you, foreigners, that not only Prague is worth seeing in the Czech Republic, that the countryside has it's beauties too :) ... (and I know, that some of you have already found that out too ;) ).

Dear Jiri,

Your countryside is quite beautiful...

This image presents another excellent example. Well done... :)

jim k

vinny
4-Sep-2008, 18:48
A recent scan of a shot from 2003 or 2004. I posted a cropped version of this on apug but I think I'm going to print it all. Any thoughts?
velvia
150mm apo symmar
shen hao

Brian_A
4-Sep-2008, 20:00
Vinny,

I don't know what the cropped version looks like, but I love what I'm looking at. If you have any extra prints after you're done with your printing process process, my address is PO Box......

-Brian

jetcode
5-Sep-2008, 00:10
Thanks Joe!

Funny, this one is a little artifact-heavy too. I converted it to 8 bit and accidentally overwrote the original file or I would have posted a larger version.


I'd like to see a 3-4x print on choice paper ...

Daniel_Buck
5-Sep-2008, 00:39
A recent scan of a shot from 2003 or 2004. I posted a cropped version of this on apug but I think I'm going to print it all. Any thoughts?
velvia
150mm apo symmar
shen hao

I like it! And I know exactly where that is too :D I usually shoot it from the other side (perpendicular to your view-point)

This was my last time there, I managed to get there just as the light was iluminating ONLY the tree leaves, it was amazing! I wish I would have had color with me, you hardly notice the light in B&W.

http://www.buckshotsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/4x5_mulholland_07.jpg

Jiri Vasina
5-Sep-2008, 01:43
Daniel, that one is great. Has all the necessary ingredients...

jim kitchen
5-Sep-2008, 13:05
Folks,

Here is an image that my astute young son Alex asked me to capture, while showing him how to setup and use my 8X10 camera this past August, when we were out and about in Southwest Alberta. Alex became tired of carrying my film backpack, and decided to explore the immediate area with my viewing card, where Alex explained loudly that I should really take a closer look at what he saw through the viewing card. That moment made me smile.

As a father, his simple request was granted quickly... :)

We had fun capturing this one.

jim k


5:45pm, Little Highwood Pass Area, Kananaskis Country, Alberta, Canada

http://largeformatgroupimages.jimkitchen.ca/images/littleHighwoodPass_AB.jpg

Jiri Vasina
5-Sep-2008, 13:28
Well, Jim, I think you have a very good apprentice...

jim kitchen
5-Sep-2008, 14:49
Well, Jim, I think you have a very good apprentice...

And my greatest critic... :)

jim k

jim kitchen
5-Sep-2008, 14:53
This was my last time there, I managed to get there just as the light was iluminating ONLY the tree leaves, it was amazing! I wish I would have had color with me, you hardly notice the light in B&W.

Dear Daniel,

I'll bet the printed image presents a luminous tree... :)

Nicely done.

jim k

Daniel_Buck
5-Sep-2008, 15:37
Here is an image that my astute young son Alex asked me to capture, while showing him how to setup and use my 8X10 camera this past August, when we were out and about in Southwest Alberta. Alex became tired of carrying my film backpack, and decided to explore the immediate area with my viewing card, where Alex explained loudly that I should really take a closer look at what he saw through the viewing card. That moment made me smile.

As a father, his simple request was granted quickly... :)

We had fun capturing this one.

I bet that is alot of fun! :)

Ken Lee
5-Sep-2008, 16:41
Ken, I hope you re-post that cloud image, it was...heavenly!

OK - Try again. This time I did it right, and used my "Variable Height Mounting Station" from BetterScanning (http://www.betterscanning.com) on my Epson 4990.

Hello quality... bye bye Newton's Rings.


http://www.kenleegallery.com/images/forum/img318a.jpg
Sinar P 450mm Fujiinon-C
5x7 FP4+ Pyrocat MC

Jan Pedersen
6-Sep-2008, 14:59
Beautiful work here and all very inspirational.

This one is from a recent trip to Denmark and once again i managed to run out of IC May crop the final print.
8x10 210 Dagor

Colin Graham
6-Sep-2008, 15:15
Nice Jan! I actually like the fall off.

C. D. Keth
6-Sep-2008, 16:32
This one is from a recent trip to Denmark and once again i managed to run out of IC May crop the final print.


Please don't crop it! The falloff is beautiful. Looking at the thumbnail gives some impression of the impact that print would have from across a room and it's powerful.

Brian_A
6-Sep-2008, 16:51
I wouldn't crop it to save my life. Looks wonderful as is!

-Brian

Jan Pedersen
6-Sep-2008, 18:07
Thanks very much, appreciate your comments. Came to the same conclusion after cropping it in PS :)

Andrew ren
6-Sep-2008, 20:09
:-0 Ken, we all watching you!

Lucas M
6-Sep-2008, 20:18
Here is one on a riverbank.

Jiri Vasina
6-Sep-2008, 23:50
Jan, I too would vote for not cropping it (or if you must, only very very slightly). It's very nice.

Andrew, those are wonderful (at least 3 of the 4 ;) ). Excellent use of movements, I really love them...

jetcode
7-Sep-2008, 10:48
Beautiful work here and all very inspirational.

This one is from a recent trip to Denmark and once again i managed to run out of IC May crop the final print.
8x10 210 Dagor

Some people burn in fall off to isolate the subject better ...

Jan Pedersen
7-Sep-2008, 11:03
Thanks Jiri and Joe.
Joe, i have done that to but usually with already darker areas. Was in doubt if this would be overkill so i appreciate all inputs.
Noticed from the new book Bhutan by Kenro Izu that he also have a few vigneted corners.

Andrew ren
7-Sep-2008, 11:54
Thanks Jiri.
forgot to say, your recently Sunflower field is excellent!

57 tmx, 240a

Colin Graham
7-Sep-2008, 12:04
Lovely work Andrew.

Andrew ren
7-Sep-2008, 15:00
Thanks Colin.

Andrew

Brian_A
7-Sep-2008, 22:02
Lovely work Andrew.

I concur.

jim kitchen
7-Sep-2008, 22:13
A late August afternoon image, while on my way to Longview, Alberta to share a hearty dinner with my son Alex... :)

jim k

About 6:00pm, Ranchland, Kananaskis Country, Alberta, Canada

http://largeformatgroupimages.jimkitchen.ca/images/afternoonSunRanchland_AB.jpg

Greg Lockrey
7-Sep-2008, 23:54
A late August afternoon image, while on my way to Longview, Alberta to share a hearty dinner with my son Alex... :)

jim k

About 6:00pm, Ranchland, Kananaskis Country, Alberta, Canada



WOW! Again. ;) ;)

Jiri Vasina
8-Sep-2008, 23:42
Something a bit calmer ;)

Summer in the Fields.


http://www.vasina.net/wp-content/gallery/leto/p5x8-012c2_web.jpg

Chamonix 5&#215;8", 5&#215;8" Adox CHS 25, Schneider Xenar 210mm, Rodinal.

Steve Wadlington
9-Sep-2008, 00:06
A late August afternoon image, while on my way to Longview, Alberta to share a hearty dinner with my son Alex... :)

jim k

About 6:00pm, Ranchland, Kananaskis Country, Alberta, Canada

http://largeformatgroupimages.jimkitchen.ca/images/afternoonSunRanchland_AB.jpg

Jim,

I appreciate your photos of Alberta. In 1998 my son and I camped in Kananaskis for 4 days, while on a motorcycle trip, and it is truly beautiful. Of course it rained 7 out of 10 days while in Canada, that's what waterproof stuff is for.