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I am new to large format photo, stepping up from 35mm. I am interested in shoot ing landscape scenes, is there some cameras out there better than others for thi s type of photography. It seems the precision in some of the more expensive mod els is not so necessary for landscapes? Is this true? Any input would be great ly appreciatied. Thank you.
Are you really lookingto step up from 35mm to 8x10? That isa couple of quantum l eaps in terms of technique (LF requires lots of patience, gear is much bulkier a nd can be heavier,) even the way you think about making pictures is very differe nt. I would suggest that rather than focus on gear right now, you work at educat ing yourself first by taking a workshop through an organization like the Santa F e Photo Workshops, View Camera Magazine, or Arizona Highways magazine. Equipment wise i would invest more heavily in a couple of really good lenses, a really good tripod and head,a polaroid back and not so much on a camera body. Th at way if working in LF agrees with you will have made the really important qual ity purchases and can upgrade to a better body later. The price difference betwe en an okay lens and a really good lens is much less than the difference between a starter body (like the Calumet Cadet) and a high end body like an Arca, a Sina r, a Canham (the DLC is my favorite landscape camera right now) a Wisner, a Hors eman, a Toyo or a Linhof (to name just a few.) Also find a good dealer in your c ountry or your part of the country.
Good luck and remember the lenses are the important thing.
I agree with Ellis, that's quite a jump in formats.
You said you want to shoot landscapes. Are you planning on doing any hiking or backpacking to get to those landscapes? If so, I would seriously reconsider you r decision to go with 8X10. Why not 4X5? More compact, lighter, greater depth of field for equivalent focal lengths (the normal for the 4X5 is a 150, for the 8X10 I believe it is a 300), etc. Take into consideration the cost of a sheet o f film and it's processing when comparing the formats also.
As previously mentioned the lenses are ultimately more important. Spend your mon ey there.
I vote for 4x5 also, at least if you want to stick with it. I recommend a field version in either format for landscape stuff.
One thing none us have mentioned so far is that is far cheaper (and a lot less b ulkier) to shoot 4x5 polaroid than 8x10. While you might not want to shoot P'roi d in the field. It is an excellent teaching tool. So much so that I notice the u pcoming Arizona Highways Grand Canyon Large Format landscape seminar being taugh t by Jack Dykinga is using Polaroid as the teaching medium. Polaroid lets you ju dge the effect of light, composition, and camera movements immediately.
I say, if you want to shoot 8 x 10, go for it! For a justification of 8 x 10 co mpared to 4 x 5, see the Toyo forum, specifically
Another big advantage is the lack of a need for an enlarger. As for your specif ic question, the Wisner Traditional L is of high quality, light weight (11 pound s), and reasonable price ($2595). Good luck!
I am a great fan of polaroids in the field, i love using 665 film for my hassy. Its so much fun to see the polaroid and the negative 1 minute after exposure!! N ow thats as close to affording a digital scanning back as im going to get for no w :)
Go for it! But be prepared for a lot of failures, especially in the beginning. M y favorite camera is the Deardorff. Forget about precision swings and tilts; you use the groundglass for determining all that anyway. A 10" WF Ektar is a great buy and excellent for landscapes. Don't be pressured to limit yourself to 4x5; t he difference is not only in the final print: as AA points out, there is a great difference in "seeing" with the two cameras as well. Contact prints are without compare. Like Josef Sudek, you may never want to make an enlargement again.
I'm wondering if maybe the "8x10" refers to print size instead of format. 8x10 i s a pretty standard print size for 35mm work, and maybe Bill is looking for a hi gher quality 8x10 print. Just a thought.
Take care, Chris
Chris, You should be an attorney! Are you?
An attorney? Ouch! ;-) No, I'm a physics professor at a college in Salt Lake Cit y (Westminster College).
Well the Arca-Swiss FC can be converted between 4x5 and 8x10. Maybe you could st art with an Arca 4x5 and upgrade to 8x10 later. (Or vice-versa).
For many years I used a 8 x 10 Deardorff and printed by contact exclusively.
If you have never seen a good 8 x 10 contact print I would suggest looking at an exhibit of ORIGINAL photos by Edward Weston, among others.
It is certainly the format of choice for the utmost in quality, bit it does have its drawbacks. Equipment is big bulky and heavy. Dont even think about an 8 x 1 0 enlarger unless you are prepared to mortgage the house and car. Film is not ch eap either.
BUT if a thoughtful, careful approach to each photograph is your style, then I c ant think of a better format. Under the dark cloth there is just your vision and that great big ground glass.
If you like the uniqueness of the Polaroid medium, where each photograph is a on e-of-a-kind experience, then you might give some thought to working with it in t he 8 x 10 format. Again not cheap, but very high quality material.
Have fun. Tony Brent
Bill: Two cameras come to mind: the Arca Swiss 4 x 5 and the Linhof Master Techn ika 4 x 5. When folded, both are relatively compact. The MT 4 x 5 folds up like a clam, protecting the lens and the focussing glass, to 7 x 7 x 4.5 inches. Both are metal cameras that weigh about 6 lbs, several pounds more than most wooden field cameras. The advantage of the metal construction is greater stability, imp act resistance, and durability. The Arca Swiss is a full system modular camera t hat can be upgraded to 5 x 7 or 8 x 10. The chief disadvantage of the Arca Swiss is the need to switch between wide angle bellows and standard bellows. The MT u ses one bellows for short and long focal length. The Arca Swiss can be configure d with optional geared lens tilt if desired. The MT has standard center axis len s tilt, which eases sharpness adjustment, compared to the base tilt sharpness ad justment of the Arca Swiss (unless the latter is equipped with the Orbix geared mechanism to control lens tilt). Both cameras are at the high end in terms of pu rchase price and prestige as the Rolls Royces of cameras. The Arca Swiss has eno ugh bellows extension that it can use a 210 mm G-Claron apochromatic Schneider l ens for 1:1 macrofocussing with the bellows extended out to 420 mm. This same le ns can also be used for landscape photography at infinity. The MT's bellows exte nsion is limited to 360 mm, limiting the choice of a macrolens to one of the exp ensive 180 mm lenses, for which the bellows has to be racked out to 360 mm to ge t a 1:1 image reproduction. The longest focal length available for the MT is a t elephoto 360/500 mm Nikkor-T lens combination. The Arca-Swiss can be used with t elephoto lenses of 600 and 720 mm, and standard lenses of 480 mm. The relatively small opening of the bellows of the MT does not allow use of lens with rear ele ments measuring greater than 80 mm. This can be a potentially problem with some of the bulkier lense, but most landscape photographers avoid those lenses any w ay because of their bulk and weight, althugh these bulkier lenses may offer adva ntageous bright apertures of 5.6. The shortest focal length is either 35 mm or 4 5 mm lens, I am unsure which. The Arca Swiss has larger knobs to ease operation of the camera. Both can be set up and folded quickly without risk of crimping th e bellows. Aesthetically, some of the wooden field cameras are stunning, with re flective finishes, brass hardware, luxurious leather bellows. However, most of t hem are more difficult to operate.
Well Bill, it's been almost two years since you asked this question, so you probably already own an 8x10! However, just in case you're still debating, and noting that David today addressed 4x5 instead of 8x10, here's an enthusiastic recommendation for the Phillips Compact II. It is of unconventional design, extremely rigid, and weighs only 7.8 lb. I don't think a better tool exists for 8x10 landscapes and, in my opinion, it has all the precision anyone could use for that application.
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