New Palm Device for BTZS Software

[D. Bryant]

Hello BTZS Users,

All of my old Palm devices have crashed and burned and I need to replace them to use BTZS software.

Any recommendations for a replacement device that is relatively inexpensive. I assume that the BTZS needs Palm OS v. 4.2 or better but the new devices are running v. 5.4. Is that compatible with BTZS software?

Thanks for your help,

Don Bryant

P.S. I want to purchase a new Palm not a used one so e-bay is out for a point of purchase (I think.)

[Keith Pitman]

I have two Palm III's, one unused, that I'll let you have for postage, plus a token amount.:D

[Steve Nicholls]

I had mine running on a Zire 22 but recently bought a second hand Tungsten E. I don't use the palm for anything other than the BTZS software so the offer of a basic palm for a token and post is brilliant.

Steve

[D. Bryant]

I had mine running on a Zire 22 but recently bought a second hand Tungsten E. I don't use the palm for anything other than the BTZS software so the offer of a basic palm for a token and post is brilliant.

Steve
Steve,

So no issues with the Zire 22? I should have added that the replacement unit must have USB connectivity. Unfortunately serial port devices and the USB to Serial converters just don't work for me with my current port arrays on my PCs.

Thanks for the quick input,

Don Bryant

[j.e.simmons]

I have a friend who uses BTZS with a Zire 22 - no issues. I've installed it as backup on my brand new Tungsten E2 with the latest software. BTZS works fine. However, I carry my old IIIC into the field.
juan

[Steve Nicholls]

As Juan said Don no issues with the 22. I'm not a big Palm user for anything other than BTZS so my requirements are very light indeed. My 22 still works fine, I got the s/h Tungsten for the larger screen. Something about over 50 and arms getting too short for current eye focus ! :)

I think the 22 runs the latest or near to latest Palm OS and the BTZS software is faultless on it.

Steve

[Stephen Sample]

I still am using an old basic Plam III and it runs fast and fine. I know that that Fred and Dennis at the View Camera Store use and recommended the basic Palm Z22 when I was out there a few months ago.

[Rob Champagne]

Given that there are now many smart cell phones available, I would have thought its about time the software was updated to run on those. Ask them to port the code to java or C++ for symbian S60 and see what they say. If thats done then you should be able to run it on any of the Nokia N range of cell phones or any cell phone running Symbian OS S60.

[D. Bryant]

Given that there are now many smart cell phones available, I would have thought its about time the software was updated to run on those. Ask them to port the code to java or C++ for symbian S60 and see what they say. If thats done then you should be able to run it on any of the Nokia N range of cell phones or any cell phone running Symbian OS S60.
But I don't have (or want) a Nokia. The Palm Z22 works fine for me and I wouldn't like to use a cell phone in it's place.

Don Bryant

[Rob Champagne]

well I just thought since most people have already have a cell phone, it saves having two devices that do the same thing. Besides I thought your was palm was finished...

[D. Bryant]

well I just thought since most people have already have a cell phone, it saves having two devices that do the same thing. Besides I thought your was palm was finished...
Seiously Rob, Trying to read or input text on a cell phone screen isn't my cup of tea, though there is good logic in your idea.

Don

[Rick Moore]

Have you considered a Treo? The display on my 700P is sharp and easy to read, and I use a stylus for input just like any other Palm user.

If you don't carry a cell phone already, you're right, there's no reason to move to smart phone.

[chris_4622]

I recently upgraded my cell phone to a Treo 680 and purchased the BTZS software for the palm. I like it; easy to read, type or use the stylus.

I talked to Fred at the View Camera store discussing the program only working with Windoze and Palm. I hope someone with knowledge will update the program to work with a mac and especially with the iphone.

[butterflydream]

I talked to Fred at the View Camera store discussing the program only working with Windoze and Palm. I hope someone with knowledge will update the program to work with a mac and especially with the iphone.

Check this out:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/23/palm-emulated-on-the-iphone-finally-we-can-leave-that-iiic-at-h/

[Dakotah Jackson]

Buy a pencil, a notebook..., and a clock. A lot less expensive than all the computerized whiz bang baloney. There is enough play and slop in your LF gear at most steps that 'precision' is only a word in this realm.

Most of the time the various small errors, inconsistencies and play tend to cancel each other out. Trying to get overly precise with this stuff is as silly as trying to hold a politician to a promise.

It is called the zone system, not the pinpoint system.

[Don Hutton]

Buy a pencil, a notebook..., and a clock. A lot less expensive than all the computerized whiz bang baloney. There is enough play and slop in your LF gear at most steps that 'precision' is only a word in this realm.

Most of the time the various small errors, inconsistencies and play tend to cancel each other out. Trying to get overly precise with this stuff is as silly as trying to hold a politician to a promise.

It is called the zone system, not the pinpoint system.
And you'd know.... Why on earth do people like you who have absolutely no idea what the OP is trying to accomplish bother to respond on threads about which you have zero knowledge or experience to share? Have you ever used BTZS? Do you know much about it? Get a dog and talk to it if you desparately need to achieve self validation by sharing your opinions on stuff about which you clearly know nothing.

[Dakotah Jackson]

Well Don, I have a dog so one thing is accomplished. And yes, I have seen and worked with the BTZS stuff as well as watched Fred and company sitting and standing around pushing buttons on their little whiz-bang hand held electronic marvels while others were taking photos.

If it works for you, fine. Most don't need the toys, wasted money and time and get good work without all the baloney. And for my dime, baloney is the operating description. It is a computer. You don't really need it to take and process good photos.

[chris_4622]

Buy a pencil, a notebook..., and a clock.
There is enough play and slop in your LF gear at most steps that 'precision' is only a word in this realm.


I'm not a very bright guy, I haven't been able to get the hang of that.
As far as "play and slop" that may be true for your gear.

[jetcode]

Don I have an original Palm and BTZS software loaded that I don't use at all. It works and comes with all the documentation. Make an offer if you're interested.

[D. Bryant]

Don I have an original Palm and BTZS software loaded that I don't use at all. It works and comes with all the documentation. Make an offer if you're interested.
Joe,

I should have written that I purchased a Zire a while back I'm very happy with it.

Thanks,

Don

[jetcode]

If it weren't for the fact that negative film is highly forgiving and that I can pretty much nail an exposure that will work well enough I'd use the BTZS system.

Certainly it provides some nice exposure functionality not to mention a system for documenting and organizing images.

[jetcode]

Joe,

I should have written that I purchased a Zire a while back I'm very happy with it.

Thanks,

Don

I don't know what that is. I'm assuming it's a Palm replacement.

[D. Bryant]

Buy a pencil, a notebook..., and a clock. A lot less expensive than all the computerized whiz bang baloney. There is enough play and slop in your LF gear at most steps that 'precision' is only a word in this realm.

Most of the time the various small errors, inconsistencies and play tend to cancel each other out. Trying to get overly precise with this stuff is as silly as trying to hold a politician to a promise.

It is called the zone system, not the pinpoint system.

One can navigate with a compass, dividers and a paper map but why would anyone want to if they can avail there self to a GPS and a PC. Just like using BTZS, both will get you better results quicker and more accurately than the zone system or a compass. More so in fact.

In the end it's all about one's attitude toward the methods one chooses and uses. Using BTZS just isn't about precision as Phil Davis has written, rather about getting an integrated view of the whole system from exposure to print and being able to make informed decisions. Maybe someday you'll understand that.

Don Bryant

[Dakotah Jackson]

Went on a good hike with someone who relied on a GPS thing one time. About every five minutes he would look at it and tell the rest of us how much elevation we had gained and just where we were. The rest of us could easily tell we were going up and see where we were. He kept GPSing as we got to some good 80 foot cliffs that took both hands and feet to go up. 'somehow' the GPS thing got dislodged from his pack and fell down as he was making the last bit over the top and another hiker was helping him.

Sure was a nice, quiet and peaceful trip after that.

Nothing wrong with a compass and a map. Too much reliance on gizmos can ruin a nice trip. Wool still keeps you warm while wet and when drying out by a campfire doesn't melt like polypro does. It costs a lot less from thrift stores and you don't worry about it when you come back from three weeks in the mountains.

Why screw up a perfectly good time with electronics when we go out partly for the tactile experience, including the Deardorff?

Some of us don't like all the electronic crap. Some of us don't have television even as we use these electronic hellboxes because we have to for some of our work. If you like farting around pushing computer buttons in the field, be my guest. The rest of us will be photographing. Just watch that if you set the thing down the batteries don't mysteriously die or magically 'disappear'.

[Dakotah Jackson]

"As far as "play and slop" that may be true for your gear."

Well Chris ####, check your shutter speeds and calibrate them before and during each exposure. Do some field checks and testing to make sure your aperture is perfect rather than just close as most LF apertures are. Better take temperature and humidity readings and compensate for that as well. Then the PH of the water, mineral content and inconsistencies as well. Don't use D76 as it gains in activity for a bit after mixing. Make sure your process or digital thermometer is actually accurate.

Take a good look at everything involved in making and processing an exposure and you will find plenty of 'slop' factor in the mix no matter what camera you are using. In the field in varying temperatures and humidity changes along with aerial haze and altitude it can be more varied than even your little hand computers can deal with.

I like the images Edward Weston came up with. I have yet to see a body of work like that from a computer whiz. But, who knows, it just might be you?

[chris_4622]

Some of us don't like all the electronic crap. Some of us don't have television even as we use these electronic hellboxes because we have to for some of our work. If you like farting around pushing computer buttons in the field, be my guest. The rest of us will be photographing. Just watch that if you set the thing down the batteries don't mysteriously die or magically 'disappear'.

Okay big boy you don't like electronic crap, now we all know, so we can refrain from talking about this so you don't have to spend anymore time on your hellbox/soapbox posting in a thread ABOUT electronic gear.

[Steve Nicholls]

I don't know what that is. I'm assuming it's a Palm replacement.

Yes Joe Zire is just a Palm model name. The 22 is a very basic unit but does an excellent job with the ExpoDev software.

The only thing I added to mine was a free battery monitoring utility as I found the graphic indication at the top of the Zire 22 screen seemed a bit inaccurate.

Steve

[D. Bryant]

Yes Joe Zire is just a Palm model name. The 22 is a very basic unit but does an excellent job with the ExpoDev software.

The only thing I added to mine was a free battery monitoring utility as I found the graphic indication at the top of the Zire 22 screen seemed a bit inaccurate.

Steve
Hi Steve,

Where did you find you battery monitoring app?

Thanks,

Don Bryant