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mosndup
29-Jun-2007, 11:14
Hi,

Does anyone know where I can buy 13x18cm color negative sheet film in Europe.
It seems very difficult to find these days.

Charles.

Edwin Lachica
29-Jun-2007, 12:46
Check out Ars-Imago (http://www.ars-imago.ch) in Switzerland. Or Fotoimpex (http://www.fotoimpex.de).

Ole Tjugen
29-Jun-2007, 12:51
It seems there are exactly NONE left. Not even with http://www.nordfoto.de.

mosndup
29-Jun-2007, 14:23
Can't we organize something?
How many are we that want this format.
Why??

Edwin Lachica
30-Jun-2007, 01:25
Here's some on stock at ars-imago. Btw, I have no connection to them, it just a place where I buy my film and darkroom stuff and so far service is excellent:

Rollei R3 13x18 (http://www.ars-imago.ch/rolleir3planfilm50bl13x185x7-p-4686.html)

Ilford FP4 (http://www.ars-imago.ch/planfilmfp4plus13x1825bl-p-6424.html)

Maco Genius Litho (http://www.ars-imago.ch/macogeniuslithofilm13x185x7-p-4759.html)

Here's a link (http://www.ars-imago.ch/ars_search_result.php?queryid=1c3) to their complete sheet film offering. You could easily get Rollei stuff from them as they are the distributors for Switzerland.

Hope this helps.

mosndup
30-Jun-2007, 03:33
Thanks a lot Edwin. I 'll give a try.
Charles.

mosndup
30-Jun-2007, 09:20
Edwin,
I was talking about COLOR negs, it seems that all these sites are for BW.
Thanks anyway.

Emmanuel BIGLER
30-Jun-2007, 09:51
I'm afraid that Ole is right, at least as far as references actually listed by major German or British vendors. the French shop Prophot, ususally well-stocked has no 13x18 color neg as well. The same question was raised on the French LF forum and no answer was found.
So to me the situation is simple, it the reference no longer exists at Fuji or Kodak, forget it or go for the trichromatic process from 3 B&W negs.
Or like Tuan does, cut a 8x10" in half and forget about looking for original 13x18 color neg.
If the reference actually exists, I see no other means that contacting one vendor and ask about minimum order.

About the trichormatic or 3-color process, there is a blog by Henri Gaud who is federating the efforts in France on the subject, and the results are so good that we can sleep quietly, even if color film in LF would dissappear, the trichromatic process would allow us to continue.
In your favourite searc engin look for : henri gaud trichromie and you'll be all set (I do not have the address handy)

Emmanuel BIGLER
30-Jun-2007, 09:55
I'm afraid that Ole is right, at least as far as references actually listed by major German or British vendors. the French shop prophot, ususally well-stocked has no 1"x18 color neg as well. he same question was raised on the Frenc LF forum and no answer was found.
So to me the situation is simple, it the reference no leonger exists at Fuji or Kodak, forget it or go for the trichromatic process from 3 B&W negs.
Or like Tuan does, cu a 8x10" in half and forget about looking for original 1"x18 color neg.
If the reference actyally exists, I see no other meand that contacting one vendor and ask about minimum order.

About the trichormatic or 3-color process, there is a blog by Henri Gaud who is federating the effoprts in farnce on the subject, and the results are so good that we can sleep quietly, even if color film in LF would dissappera, the trichromatic process would allow us to continue.

http://photothequegaud.free.fr/trichromie/

mosndup
30-Jun-2007, 10:57
Thanks Emmanuel, I will look into the trichromatic process, (i dont know yet what it means).

Regarding the reference of the 13x18 color neg, it exists in the Fujifilm web site, but says that "it may not exist in your country".
There is probably a guy in Europe who decided one day of bad mood that we did not want it any more, you know the type of 'crâne d'oeuf' guy.
I have a friend going to Japan this summer , he will look over there if the photo shops are carrying the 13x18 Fuji color negs.
I am sure we could organize some kind of parrallel market if enough is ordered.

Cheers.

Charles.

Edwin Lachica
1-Jul-2007, 03:48
Sorry missed the color part of your first post.

Checked with my other suppliers too, no stock of anything bigger than 4x5. :(

You can check with photostudio13.ch if they have any 13x18 porta in stock. That's where most pros go for kodak stuff.

As for fuji, it's not even listed in their website for switzerland.

TML74
4-Jul-2007, 02:36
Hello, I also would like to find color negative in 5x7" size. Usually, I used Kodak 160 NC with pleasure bur can't buy 80 boxes alone !
If only a european shop accept to buy the minimum order to Kodak..., I hope that if this shop would accept to take orders before buying to kodak, it wouldn't be long before the minimum order is reached !
For exemple, I would be interested by 5 boxes, only 75 other boxes to order ?...

Thierry M.L from France (sorry for my bad english level).

mosndup
4-Jul-2007, 03:33
Are you sure that 13x18cm is exactly the same size as 5x7".
I know there is a difference between 9x12cm and 4x5", in term of film holder(4x5" do not fit in 9x12cm film holder).
By the way your English is perfect.
Charles.

Emmanuel BIGLER
4-Jul-2007, 03:45
Are you sure that 13x18cm is exactly the same size as 5x7".
I am sure that 13x18 is not exactly the same size as 5x7" !! Too bad for this format !
True 5x7" is slightly smaller than 13x18 cm by a few millimetres.
However, it has been reported on the French LF forum that traditional 13x18 LInhof holders with their pressure plate can accommodate a 5"x7" sheet without much trouble since the film is pressed against something.
As far as I've read, a classical 13x18 Fidelity® holder will let the 5"x7" drop off and a 5"x7" holder will not let a 13x18 sheet slide in.
Formally speaking, Euro-Patriots should insist on the proven superiority of the 13x18 format over the 5"x7" ;), but I'm afraid that if a common cause would force us to save only one of the formats, and if 5x7" is the most widely used... we are ready to switch to the 13x18 Linhof holder with pressure plate ;)

mosndup
4-Jul-2007, 04:01
By the way I am looking for 13x18cm since my film holders are 13x18cm.

These are the film that Fuji still manufactures as per there web site
http://fujifilm.com/products/professional_films/pro_160s.html

4 x 5 in. (10.2 x 12.7 cm) .... 10 sheets and 50 sheets
4 x 5 in. (10.2 x 12.7 cm) QL .... 20sheets
8 x 10 in. (20.3 x 25.4 cm) .... 10 sheets
9 x 12 cm .... 20 sheets
13 x 18 cm .... 20 sheets

That's all folks.

mosndup
4-Jul-2007, 04:39
Interested I received this email today;

Hello Charles,

we can deliver 13x18 Negativ film Sheets from Fuji: Pro 160s - 20 Sheets .
If you want it , how many to you need, then we can offer you a Price, and the delivery time.

Thank you very much


regards Reto Jehli
www.ars-imago.ch

cube development GmbH
Zeughausgasse 16
CH-6300 Zug
Tel. +41 41 710 78 26
Fax +41 41 710 78 27

mosndup
4-Jul-2007, 04:44
their email is reto.jehli@ars-imago.ch

Ted Harris
4-Jul-2007, 07:22
Interesting but I took a quick look at their website and didn't see a listing for 160NC in 13x18 .... I might have missed it.

Ole Tjugen
4-Jul-2007, 08:12
Ted, Ars-imago are not listing it at present, but have very kindly offered to get some from Fuji. :)

TML74
4-Jul-2007, 08:42
I have sent a mail to Ars Imago to see if I can have some boxes of 160S, I am waiting for the answer and the price... I will let you know.
I am also surprised to see that a solution could be at a few km from my home !

Dirk Rösler
4-Jul-2007, 22:51
I have a friend going to Japan this summer , he will look over there if the photo shops are carrying the 13x18 Fuji color negs.

Never seen any 13x18 film in Japan, but by all means let your friend double-check.

Edwin Lachica
5-Jul-2007, 01:34
Good to know that Ars Imago can order it. They're very helpful people and been my supplier of choice since I started LF.

Cheers,

Edwin.