The system works.... almost.

[Ash]

I gotta say I HATE the system.


I sent money to a member here for a camera, it cost around £150 give or take. That was including the quoted postage.

The member takes it to the post office over in the USA, they quote him about £15 or so more than the postage was worked out to be. Sting #1


It's sent over the xmas/new year period so takes a little extra time to get here. It SHOULD have been sent as a gift, and marked as such to avoid any nasty surprises. Guess what?

Import duties £7 and VAT (out of nowhere) £35 - Sting #2

And even worse, PARCELFORCE CLEARANCE FEE £13.50!!!!


So even parcelforce get a nice pat on the back for nothing, £13.50! That's more than the import duties cost!

So stung 3 times, and who's going to cover what? I HAVE to pay £55 to get the camera, there's no arguing.

What a bitch. The letter from parcelforce had my surname wrong!!! (now I don't know who to blame, parcelforce or the member here - we'll see when the camera arrives eventually).



I really hope the camera wasn't damaged somewhere down the line, or there will be hell to pay.


ARGH! All this just so I could have a 'bargain' and get into 4x5? I may as well have bought it here for less than that total cost!

rant over..

[Walter Calahan]

Think globally. Shop locally.

Sorry for your troubles.

My 2007 be a banner 4x5 year for you.

[william linne]

I don't know about your situation, but I know when I mail things from the US going overseas, I never mark it as a gift unless it truly is. First off, the Post Office won't allow you to insure it unless you mark it's true value. In other words, if you insure it for 300,then you must mark it's value as 300. I had one guy convince me to mark his item as a "gift" and not insure it, to save him a few bucks. Lo and behold, he claimed it never arrived and then filed a complaint with Paypal and they returned his money. I was out 200 dollars. I know it was a scam because I have mailed literally hundreds of items overseas in the last few years and his was the only one to ever get "lost".

[Kirk Gittings]

I remember when the Japanese gov't used to take 20% off the top of all my stock sales in Japan. Bend over. Not even so much as a thank you.

[BrianShaw]

I gotta say I HATE the system.

The "system" is YOUR GOVERNMENT. If you want to fix it, you can always start a revolution. Start with a tea party ;)

[Ash]

Don't tempt me Brian!

[Bill_1856]

I hope you at least got a sloppy kiss, Kirk.

[GPS]

First time buying overseas?

[darr]

Correct me if I am wrong, but don't the Europeans pay taxes like the VAT and other add-on taxes/fees for their socially ran programs like medical, education, retirement, etc? Here in the states if you are a working slug, professional or not, you have to pay for all that stuff yourself. Either way you gonna pay.

One thing that does anger me is how most US states tax you for retirement funds. After we make our money, pay taxes on it and then invest it, you can get taxed again on your initial investment plus any income made from it. Florida's constitution does not allow for the double-taxation and that is one reason my hubby keeps us in Florida. The other alternative is Tennessee which is kinda cold, but beautiful. Anybody know of any other states that will not tax you on your retirement accounts?

Sorry for the hi-jack Ash, but Kirk got me thinking about our investments!

[stompyq]

I don't know about your situation, but I know when I mail things from the US going overseas, I never mark it as a gift unless it truly is. First off, the Post Office won't allow you to insure it unless you mark it's true value. In other words, if you insure it for 300,then you must mark it's value as 300. I had one guy convince me to mark his item as a "gift" and not insure it, to save him a few bucks. Lo and behold, he claimed it never arrived and then filed a complaint with Paypal and they returned his money. I was out 200 dollars. I know it was a scam because I have mailed literally hundreds of items overseas in the last few years and his was the only one to ever get "lost".

I sold my 645 gear to a friend in holland recently. He was legit (an old school buddy). Wanted parcel post to save cash, said he was very patient when i said 4-6 weeks for delivary. 3 months latter he got the camera which i had marked as a gift.The nice dutch authorities had ripped the package open, determined it was high end camera gear (a pentax 645?) and put a huge tax on the poor guy (No sir no one would mail this type of "high end" camera as a gift). There's goverments for you.

[Richard Sanders]

Ash I feel your pain, I really do, but it's certainly more than a little unfair to place any blame with the seller of the camera.

Having received numerous items from overseas I can tell you that having the package marked as a gift would have made no difference since gifts are only exempt from VAT upto the value of £34 once that threshold is passed the entire cost of the item is due for VAT and any applicable import duties.

Whilst I have no interest in rubbing salt into your wounds it would be best to take this a harsh learning experience and remember to check up on any taxes, duties or other fees applicable on further purchases.

Still I'm sure once you're out shooting the cost will be soon forgotten.

(Oh and I don't know about you but I find the £13.50 Parcel Force fee more painfull than any duty or tax!)

[Ash]

Richard, I don't blame the seller here at all. It's not his fault, but it's still a kick in the balls.

I'm also considering writing an invoice to parcelforce for the cost of their fee plus £15 clearance charge for "invoice printing" and handing it to the courier. I'd like to see how easy it is to charge someone for nothing. After all, they do it all the time!

[Brian Ellis]

"SHOULD have been sent as a gift, and marked as such to avoid any nasty surprises."

Seems a little odd to be blaming the seller for telling the truth on a customs form.

[Downix]

Correct me if I am wrong, but don't the Europeans pay taxes like the VAT and other add-on taxes/fees for their socially ran programs like medical, education, retirement, etc? Here in the states if you are a working slug, professional or not, you have to pay for all that stuff yourself. Either way you gonna pay.

One thing that does anger me is how most US states tax you for retirement funds. After we make our money, pay taxes on it and then invest it, you can get taxed again on your initial investment plus any income made from it. Florida's constitution does not allow for the double-taxation and that is one reason my hubby keeps us in Florida. The other alternative is Tennessee which is kinda cold, but beautiful. Anybody know of any other states that will not tax you on your retirement accounts?

Sorry for the hi-jack Ash, but Kirk got me thinking about our investments!

New Hampshire.

But getting back on subject, taxes are a necessary evil. My feeling is that you'll be paying for it in either case, might as well be up front about it.

My own shipping story, not camera related. I wanted to get rid of some computer equipment. A guy in the UK wanted it, so we set a price, in dollars, only for lo and behold, he thought I ment "canadian" dollars. but, me being a nice guy, thinking "well, ok, that's a mistake, but I need to get rid of this" still went through with it, and shipped it off. Well, 4 months later, the guy is like "where is it?" 2 months later, it came back, for refusal to pay duty. He demanded I ship it again, which I did, this time marked as a "gift" as he requested. Months later, he claims it never showed up. I checked, and according to the records, it was delivered without an issue. He then went on that I should refund the money because he never got the parts (this wasn't through paypal thankfully). I refused, as frankly I sent it, twice at this point, and had pretty much broken even after the cost of S&H.

[Jon King]

New Hampshire.

Actually New Hampshire taxes interest and dividend income, but not income(no general sales tax either). But Darr, if you think Tennessee is too cold.....:eek: - You'll pay more for heat than you're being taxed and you also get what you pay for.

On topic now.. I've sold several items on ebay to people in Europe. I've mailed in various ways, but I've settled on Global Express Mail (EMS to the rest of the world). It is certainly more expensive, but insurance and tracking numbers seem to make the both sides of the deal more comfortable. Getting it through customs is still a problem of time and money, though.

[Jack Flesher]

This is precisely why as a US resident I don't like selling items internationally. You do everything to accomodate an international shipment -- and ever since 9-11 that ivolves a lot of additional paperwork -- and there always seems to be bad feelings after because of the costs incured...

I now clearly state I will ship only via FedEx insured as it is then very easy for the recipient to calculate pretty exact shipping AND import costs. Of course, FedEx international is expensive to begin with and this in turn ticks off more than a few folks as well, but at least it ticks them off BEFORE they agree to buy it, not after :)