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Henry T Stanley
4-Jan-2007, 11:34
FYI (if you've not already heard it), the Schneider web site is offering a special direct sale price to users on the APO-SYMMAR-L 210/5.6 COPAL #1 for $860.00 EA Stock Code: 01-029423. Call their 800# and they will take your order, credit card, etc.

Eric Leppanen
4-Jan-2007, 11:37
http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?t=22085

I ordered one a couple days ago, am looking forward to receiving it!

naturephoto1
4-Jan-2007, 11:39
Hi Henry,

Thanks for the information. Kerry Thalmann had announced this on Dec. 30 on the forum at the following thread:

http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?t=22085

Rich

Henry T Stanley
4-Jan-2007, 12:20
Sorry Rich...I did a search to see if it had come up and didn't find anything -- anyway, a great deal deserves mentioning again!

David Karp
4-Jan-2007, 15:32
I am sure that this sale makes Schneider's resellers very happy too! :rolleyes:

Henry T Stanley
4-Jan-2007, 16:36
David: I asked them about that point -- "do you do this often?..what do the folks at B&H and Badger, for instance, think about this, etc.," and to paraphrase...the guy said that they had given the retailers "heads-up" on this quite a while ago so they could participate, but none did. Anybody's guess as to why they lo-priced this item; time will tell...

John A McDonald
4-Jan-2007, 19:26
I had a large order with Badger and asked Jeff if he could match this price and he replied that he couldn't. Purchased from Schneider.

Jan Pedersen
4-Jan-2007, 20:16
Could be an inventory issue. Schneider may not have moved as many Apo Symmars as predicted and need to move some out before counting starts.


jan

Kerry L. Thalmann
4-Jan-2007, 22:54
David: I asked them about that point -- "do you do this often?..what do the folks at B&H and Badger, for instance, think about this, etc.," and to paraphrase...the guy said that they had given the retailers "heads-up" on this quite a while ago so they could participate, but none did.

Keep in mind that Schneider Optics (http://www.schneideroptics.com/), formerly Schneider U.S.A., is a separate company from Schneider-Kreuznach (http://www.schneider-kreuznach.com/index_e.htm), the German company that makes the lenses. Schneider Optics is the official US distributor for Schneider-Kreuznach lenses. At one point rather recently they were also the US distributor for Horseman cameras - which, ironically also made them the US distributor for the Rodenstock lenses for the Horseman SW612 series of cameras. This situation is similar to HP Marketing, longtime US distributor of Rodenstock lenses who are also the official US distributor of Schneider lenses for the Linhof Technorama cameras.

Schneider U.S.A was formed back in the early 1970s - around 1972 when they acquired the rights to the Goerz products and product names along with some remaining inventory from Kollmorgen. At some point they either transferred or licensed those rights to Schneider-Kreuznach who began manufacturing APO Artar lenses based on the Goerz design at their factory in Germany and contracted the manufacturer of Gold Dot Dagors to Kern in Switzerland (it's easy to tell these late lenses becuase they follow the standard Schneider serial numbering convention (http://www.schneideroptics.com/info/age_of_lenses/index.htm).

In any case, Schneider U.S.A became the US distributor for Schneider-Kreuznach lenses back in the early 1970s and have been ever since. I'd have to dig through my old Schneider literature to be sure, but off the top of my head I believe the previous US distributor of Schneider-Kreuznach was Burleigh-Brooks.


I had a large order with Badger and asked Jeff if he could match this price and he replied that he couldn't. Purchased from Schneider.

Keep in mind Badger (and a few other US dealers) don't get their lenses from Schneider Optics. They purchase them from a source Germany and directly import them to the US market, bypassing Schneider Optics. By bypassing the official distributor, Badger can usually offer lower prices to the end users. Lenses directly imported by a dealer in this manner are called "parallel imports". Some user the term "gray market" - which I find far less descriptive than "parallel imports", and to me sounds rather shady (along the lines of "black market" goods). There is absolutely nothing shady or illegal about doing so, but buyers of "parallel import" goods lose the rights to services provided by the officially designated distributor. It's up to each buyer to determine what these services are, and if they are worth the (usually) higher price.

In this case, Badger doesn't get their Schneider lenses from Schneider Optics. So, it makes perfect sense that they would not be able to participate in this special limited time offer, or be able to match this special price.

Kerry