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Peter Collins
13-Feb-2018, 14:41
I will soon buy a scanner--an Epson--one of the above models. Are there any particular features in any model that I should be aware of, and perhaps base a 'buy' decision on? And if you have one to sell, I would be interested.
Thanks!

jp
13-Feb-2018, 14:46
If you are buying new, your options are narrowed down to v800 and v850pro (which is apparently a little fast and comes with more film holders.)

I'm still happily using a V700. It needs a minute to warm up the lights in it, and it is a dust magnet, but other than that, it's a good scanner.

chassis
13-Feb-2018, 18:52
I use a V750 Pro and like it. For 4x5 film it is a very good piece of scanning hardware. The 35mm film holder leaves alot to be desired. There are some work arounds for this. The 120 film holder is OK. Could be better, and there are some work arounds. As a data capture device I have no complaints about it. I prefer Epson Scan as a driver/interface.

Jim Andrada
13-Feb-2018, 19:56
I've used a 750 for a few years and no real complaint other than the fact that the stated resolution capabilities are a bit "optimistic", to say the least. If something in the neighborhood of 2k DPI is good enough for you, you'll like it. I upgraded to an IQsmart but still have the 750. I used Vuescan/Epson Scan - both OK.

Randy Moe
13-Feb-2018, 20:24
I have been using a V700 for 5 years. I like it and it still works fine, despite a big move. Dust has not been a problem. I use it only for film. I use other scanners for anything else.

I find it useless for 35mm negative. Slides are slightly better. 120 is ok...

I love how it handles any sheet film from 2X3 to 8X10. I even lay 11X14 on it for a partial scan, I'm sure I could stitch 11X14 into something.

But I will be buying a V850 later this year. I want the LED lamp, the much faster warmup, the 2 sets of all sizes film holders and the extra software. I might go crazy and spring for the cheap wet mount setup.

Jim Andrada
14-Feb-2018, 00:52
Glad Randy mentioned wet mounting - I have tge wet mount setup and I found it quick and easy to wet mount with it. I wet mounted everything. I'd also agree that it isn't great for anything smaller than 120 - I think you need higher resolution for 35mm abd 8mm (Minox)

Pere Casals
14-Feb-2018, 01:09
The V800/850 illuminates with LEDs, no wait to heat up the lamps and no virtually need for calibrations over the years, this is the single improvement over previous model.

The V850 has over the V800:

> internal lenses coated, this is an slight advantage in some conditions

> a second set of holders, you prepare next job while scanning

> Silverfast SE Plus (intead SF SE, without the "plus") so you have the multi-exposure feature that is very useful for deep shadows in Velvia/Provia slides: http://www.silverfast.com/highlights/multi-exposure/en.html

If you purchase the V800 you can upgrade later to the "Plus" version if you want: https://www.scanyourentirelife.com/epson-v800-vs-v850-photo-scanner-differences/

So I'd go to the 800 or 850 directly, and 850 if you are to scan slides often.

The Epsons are extremly solid performers for LF, and well correct for MF, see here: https://petapixel.com/2017/05/01/16000-photo-scanner-vs-500-scanner/

Some 35mm shots are better scaned with dedicated roll film scanners, and some (rare) velvia shots require a drum scan because no flatbed will do it perfect.

For color, final result depends more on Photoshop, etc skills.

https://petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2017/05/sidebyside-800x549.jpg

https://petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2017/05/v700_1250_sharpening_before_resize-792x800.jpg

Steven Ruttenberg
7-Mar-2018, 15:00
I got the V850 last week and I like it. Still trying to figure out if I will like SF or Epson Scan. I use Vuescan with no problems other than an occasional hiccup when doing multi-exposures. I wet mount directly to the scanner and will compare to using the Epson wet mount and the Betterscanning wet mount.

Pere Casals
7-Mar-2018, 15:12
I got the V850 last week and I like it. Still trying to figure out if I will like SF or Epson Scan. I use Vuescan with no problems other than an occasional hiccup when doing multi-exposures. I wet mount directly to the scanner and will compare to using the Epson wet mount and the Betterscanning wet mount.

To me epson scan is good, but it does not support Multi-Exposure, so for slides with deep shadows (if you want to recover detail there) you should use SF SE Plus.

Leigh
7-Mar-2018, 16:35
I've been very satisfied with my V750, used for 4x5, 5x7, and 8x10 (with some jiggling).

I have no experience with the other models.

- Leigh

Steven Ruttenberg
7-Mar-2018, 17:22
To me epson scan is good, but it does not support Multi-Exposure, so for slides with deep shadows (if you want to recover detail there) you should use SF SE Plus.

Okay. Vuescan supports multiscan so I will have to compare to SF. The version that ships with scanner does not seem to be able to save 16 bit files. It scans in 16 bit, but then converts to 8 bit. Ie, the option called 48>24. Is there a way to save as 16 file without having to create an HDR or HDRi raw file that I then have to use another SF program to read?

Pere Casals
8-Mar-2018, 03:09
Okay. Vuescan supports multiscan so I will have to compare to SF. The version that ships with scanner does not seem to be able to save 16 bit files. It scans in 16 bit, but then converts to 8 bit. Ie, the option called 48>24. Is there a way to save as 16 file without having to create an HDR or HDRi raw file that I then have to use another SF program to read?

Steve, it's the same. SilverFast calls HDR the way to save 16bits per channel into TIFF format.

http://www.silverfast.com/show/silverfast-hdr/en.html


With EpsonScan you can scan 16bits/ch and saving to jpeg, but then only 8bits are saved, see it in Ps...

IHMO important scanned images should always be saved in TIFF, as it also offers compression without loss, it is the standard format for print production, so a good way.

I use Epson Scan if not needing M-E, Vuescan should be also a nice choice...

Peter Collins
8-Mar-2018, 06:22
I am following most of this thread...thanks, Steve and Pere! What is HDR and HDRi?

Ted Baker
8-Mar-2018, 06:46
I am following most of this thread...thanks, Steve and Pere! What is HDR and HDRi?

I think its silverfasts fancy name for saving the file in 16bit with no profile correction, no gamma correction. (the equivalent to viewscans raw).

The HDRi is the version with the infrared channel, both formats because they are close to the raw output of the scanner allow reprocessing by the scanner software as many times as you like. Vuescan offers the exact same feature.

I am surprised silverfast does not offer saving a 16bit tiff with ICM profile, and gamma correction. i.e. sRGB or some other encoding? The only really difference between silverfast and any software is in fact the proprietary processing algorithms used in the particular program. So if you don't make use of them you are essentially wasting your money...

There is one distinct feature to viewscan that I like and that is the manual exposure control, which is handy for batch applications, among a few other things.

Regarding the original question: help me decide: V700, V750, V800, V850?

They are almost identical! So I would get the 'cheapest' one factoring in things like warranty and possible repair costs etc, and I would prefer the V700, v750 film holder, in combination with something aftermarket.

Pere Casals
8-Mar-2018, 07:47
What is HDR and HDRi?

http://www.silverfast.com/show/silverfast-hdr/en.html

Ted Baker
8-Mar-2018, 07:58
http://www.silverfast.com/show/silverfast-hdr/en.html

For those who have more than one scanner, and still want to use silverfast and only purchase one copy...

from their site

Since SilverFast HDR never drives the scanner directly, it can be used with RAW data files produced from scanners that SilverFast doesn't normally support. Simply scan the file with no correction using the original scan software, and then pass the resulting TIFF file to SilverFast HDR. Now you will have all of SilverFast's tools at your disposal!

Steven Ruttenberg
9-Mar-2018, 16:01
This is interesting on the HDR, I am going to give it a try. I tried the HDRi and it was whacked in photoshop. Hopefully, I just did something wrong. It is nice to have a couple pieces of software that do the same thing almost. In engineering, I have found that one of the finite element programs I use will not always work with a particular geometry file, but will work with a different type of file. I am currently experimenting right now.

Steven Ruttenberg
9-Mar-2018, 16:03
ON Vuescan, has anyone played around with the number of samples during scan to reduce noise? Currently I working using the 16 samples which drags out the final scan. I am curious if anyone has found if fewer samples will give as good results as 16.

Bill Poole
18-Mar-2018, 13:34
ON Vuescan, has anyone played around with the number of samples during scan to reduce noise? Currently I working using the 16 samples which drags out the final scan. I am curious if anyone has found if fewer samples will give as good results as 16.

Well, I for one will be interested in the answer to this. I have never done more than 4 samples. This would also be an interesting question to put to Hamrick for their newsletter.

Steven Ruttenberg
19-Mar-2018, 08:51
I have been using 16 scans and it is no slower on my epson v850 than using 2 scans. I haven't compared any photos, but I do notice there is practically no noise in the photo so I am staying with 16.

I am now experimenting with scanning an AA turned off (anti-aliasing). I will have some comparisons of that. Plus difference between 2400dpi and 4000dpi with AA on and off. 2400dpi will be with AA on though.