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Daniel Unkefer
8-Jul-2017, 05:36
Taking inspiration from this beautiful camera I found on Flikr, I have decided to build my own version. "The Sinar Norma Handy" camera!


https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7236/7220011100_ac393c194c_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/c11rL1)LX3L7044 (https://flic.kr/p/c11rL1) by Andrei Badoiu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/65095569@N00/), on Flickr


https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7230/7220010658_a93f7cd18e_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/c11rCo)LX3L7053 (https://flic.kr/p/c11rCo) by Andrei Badoiu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/65095569@N00/), on Flickr


Here I have acquired a Norma Auxiliary Frame (just for this project!) and removed the extra unnecessary pieces. I then removed the two Sinar metal male screws at the top and bottom, by removing the cotter pin holding them in. I'm going to add this homemade wooden pistol grip I bought on Ebay for $10.

I will drill a hole front top center of the grip and insert a cable release to trip the shutter on the 65mm F8 Schneider Super Angulon. Still need to find one in nice condition. And an appropriate viewfinder, and Bubble Level will need to be attached. I'm going to take my time designing and building this.

Here's the wooden grip.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4209/35406484060_af8063da75_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/VWKuaJ)Sinar Handy Grip (https://flic.kr/p/VWKuaJ) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr


My project thus far:

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4266/35795082305_c0738d4e8a_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Wx69Tt)Sinar Norma Handy Parts (https://flic.kr/p/Wx69Tt) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

Comments(and ideas!) Please!

-Dan

Daniel Unkefer
8-Jul-2017, 06:06
A few more pix of the camera that has inspired me.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7078/7220009680_50e1eb3805_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/c11rkw)LX3L7048 (https://flic.kr/p/c11rkw) by Andrei Badoiu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/65095569@N00/), on Flickr

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7077/7220011514_281039b5ed_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/c11rT9)LX3L7051 (https://flic.kr/p/c11rT9) by Andrei Badoiu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/65095569@N00/), on Flickr




Comments? :)

Daniel Unkefer
8-Jul-2017, 07:40
And here is the Sinar Handy Norma Viewfinder I think I will acquire:

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4237/34956731914_e49ef79940_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Vg1owo)Sinar Norma Handy Viewfinder (https://flic.kr/p/Vg1owo) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

And I just bought this cold shoe mount. All I have to do is tap out the Norma built-in shoe to fit the mounting screw on the cold shoe

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4288/35756653046_7eb10139a2_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/WtGcd3)Sinar Norma Handy Cold Shoe (https://flic.kr/p/WtGcd3) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

Daniel Unkefer
8-Jul-2017, 08:48
If I take one of these apart, it would probably be a good fit on the "Norma Handy"

Easy to take apart and modify.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4254/35665656021_613823b0bf_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/WkDNXP)Sinar Handy Norma Bubble Level (https://flic.kr/p/WkDNXP) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

Jerry Bodine
8-Jul-2017, 10:39
Daniel - Just curious. Why do you feel you need a bubble level on a hand-held camera? The first photo seems to show a tripod mount using what looks like maybe a Hasselblad piece that fits the Hasselblad Quick-Disconnect accessory, which you're replacing with the wooden pistol grip. Also the Sinar back is designed for using 2 hands to insert the film holder, but you're using one hand to hold the pistol grip; it seems you need 3 hands. Am I missing something?

Jac@stafford.net
8-Jul-2017, 11:41
Daniel - Just curious. Why do you feel you need a bubble level on a hand-held camera? The first photo seems to show a tripod mount using what looks like maybe a Hasselblad piece that fits the Hasselblad Quick-Disconnect accessory, which you're replacing with the wooden pistol grip. Also the Sinar back is designed for using 2 hands to insert the film holder, but you're using one hand to hold the pistol grip; it seems you need 3 hands. Am I missing something?

I'm pretty sure the Hasselblad level is designed to fit on the left side of the Hasselblad body.

Grip: I'm partially handicapped in my left hand, and grips are very important to me. To date, the very best ergonomic grip is the Rollei intended for their TLR. What is not apparent in the photo is that it has a left twist that is natural to the right hand. It requires a slightly tapered tripod mount which is easy to make, even from a short stack of washers of different sizes (to taper).

See the grip here. KEH. (https://www.keh.com/shop/rollei-pistol-grip-for-rollei-twin-lens-reflex-cameras-265576.html)

Aside: The Plaubel Veriwide can use the same grip! It clips right on. (Not the Brooks Veriwide)

Daniel Unkefer
8-Jul-2017, 13:45
Camera building is FUN! :) Here are the results of my initial effort today. I figured out how I wanted to attach the grip, and that is done and I am satisfied with the result. Went to Lowes for parts and was able to get what I needed to do the job. A lot of metal cutting was required to get this right (trial and error). It takes 4x5 holders without too much juggling (for me). Here it is shown with one of my Linhof holders. I'm not now thinking I want a bubble level; This camera will never be on a tripod. If I want straight lines I will use one of my Normas. This is going to be a work in progress. I like how this thing handles, this is my first experience with a "Handy". Onward and upward. Eventually I want a Norma era Sinar Grip, but for now this gets me going.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4212/35633936622_e605122dfa_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/WhReTC)Sinar Norma Handy Initial Build (https://flic.kr/p/WhReTC) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr


https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4218/35414739480_c5820febd4_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/VXtNdy)Sinar Handy (https://flic.kr/p/VXtNdy) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

The later Handy; The F Black bail mechanism is a lot stiffer than the Norma; I prefer the Norma mechanism myself. This will work fine with my Liscos and Fidelity 4x5 and 9x12 holders. :)

Bob Salomon
8-Jul-2017, 14:46
Camera building is FUN! :) Here are the results of my initial effort today. I figured out how I wanted to attach the grip, and that is done and I am satisfied with the result. Went to Lowes for parts and was able to get what I needed to do the job. A lot of metal cutting was required to get this right (trial and error). It takes 4x5 holders without too much juggling (for me). Here it is shown with one of my Linhof (springy pressure plate holders).
I'm not now thinking I want a bubble level; This camera will never be on a tripod. If I want straight lines I will use one of my Normas. This is going to be a work in progress. I like how this thing handles, this is my first experience with a "Handy". Onward and upward. Eventually I want a Norma era Sinar Grip, those tend to go for big Bucks $$$ Ten Bucks gets me going with this one.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4212/35633936622_e605122dfa_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/WhReTC)Sinar Norma Handy Initial Build (https://flic.kr/p/WhReTC) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr


https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4218/35414739480_c5820febd4_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/VXtNdy)Sinar Handy (https://flic.kr/p/VXtNdy) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

The later Handy; The F Black bail mechanism is a lot stiffer than the Norma; I prefer the Norma mechanism myself. This will work fine with my Liscos and Fidelity 4x5 and 9x12 holders. :)

It is not a "spring pressure plate holder" it is a Linhof Glass Plate/Sheet Film Holder. The plate makes up for the difference in thickness between glass plates and sheet film.

Jerry Bodine
8-Jul-2017, 16:08
Am I correct in assuming the 65mm is short enough that a focusing mount is not necessary? I've never used a lens that short in 4x5. Would close-ups require a focusing mount (and tripod), or is that reserved for the monorail?

Daniel Unkefer
8-Jul-2017, 16:36
Am I correct in assuming the 65mm is short enough that a focusing mount is not necessary? I've never used a lens that short in 4x5. Would close-ups require a focusing mount (and tripod), or is that reserved for the monorail?

Hey Jerry,

I guess it's a little hard to tell in the photos, but there is a Schneider Focusing Mount permanently attached to the Norma lens board. It's an original Norma item (in the original catalog) and I bought it cheaply years ago, with the intent of someday building a Norma Handy. I have an extensive inventory of original Norma items, and I intend this camera to become part of that. The focusing mount was designed for the Schneider 65mm F8 Super Angulon in #00 shutter, which was also an original Norma lens. It's a scale focusing helical designed for that specific lens, and it focuses from infinity to 3.5 feet per the markings on the helical. Just guess focus and shoot. The Handy was intended for large format hand held photography. I don't think I will be using mine on a tripod. Then it becomes "not so Handy" :)

Jac@stafford.net
8-Jul-2017, 16:39
Am I correct in assuming the 65mm is short enough that a focusing mount is not necessary?

For me, a focusing mount is always needed, even on my 4x5" (nominal) cameras with a 47mm f/5.6 or f/8 Super-Angulon.
.

Daniel Unkefer
8-Jul-2017, 16:41
It is not a "spring pressure plate holder" it is a Linhof Glass Plate/Sheet Film Holder. The plate makes up for the difference in thickness between glass plates and sheet film.

Thanks Mr. Solomon. :)

Daniel Unkefer
8-Jul-2017, 17:08
An image shot with the Sinar Norma Handy by the owner of the camera in the first post. Unfortunately he had a light leak. But you get the idea of the 65mm F8 Super Angulon

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7046/7007101966_dfaa5e9cff_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/bFcehS)Scan-120325-0006 (https://flic.kr/p/bFcehS) by Andrei Badoiu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/65095569@N00/), on Flickr

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7238/7007102702_c4140fb466_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/bFcevy)Scan-120506-0015 (https://flic.kr/p/bFcevy) by Andrei Badoiu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/65095569@N00/), on Flickr

Daniel Unkefer
8-Jul-2017, 17:10
An image shot with the Sinar Norma Handy by the owner of the camera in the first post. Unfortunately he had a light leak. But you get the idea of the 65mm F8 Super Angulon

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7046/7007101966_dfaa5e9cff_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/bFcehS)Scan-120325-0006 (https://flic.kr/p/bFcehS) by Andrei Badoiu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/65095569@N00/), on Flickr

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5240/7007103424_a3794e28c0_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/bFceJ1)Scan-120506-0017 (https://flic.kr/p/bFceJ1) by Andrei Badoiu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/65095569@N00/), on Flickr

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7059/7153194849_54d64fe7bb_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/bU6ZBF)Scan-120506-0019 (https://flic.kr/p/bU6ZBF) by Andrei Badoiu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/65095569@N00/), on Flickr

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8147/7007105400_47e305a1e4_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/bFcfj5)Scan-120506-0020 (https://flic.kr/p/bFcfj5) by Andrei Badoiu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/65095569@N00/), on Flickr

Daniel Unkefer
8-Jul-2017, 17:16
One more

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7072/7007096666_b37dfd9abd_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/bFccHu)Scan-120325-0002 (https://flic.kr/p/bFccHu) by Andrei Badoiu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/65095569@N00/), on Flickr

Daniel Unkefer
9-Jul-2017, 07:00
Here's the camera after the initial build. I used JB Weld to hold the parts together tightly, and it has worked very well. The metal epoxy is dry and the camera is very solid. To finish the camera, I will need a viewfinder (I ordered a Gaoersi 65mm/4x5, I hope it will work OK!), and add the cold shoe (I tapped both holes in the Norma Auxiliary frame to 1/4"). Finally, I'm looking for a 65mm F8 Schneider Super Angulon in #00 Compur. I have a 65mm F8 but it has Norma Rabbit ears, and no shutter (it works with the Norma Mechanical Shutter). So I am getting closer. I'm in no hurry to finish this. Oh Yes, I have to drill a hole in the grip for a long cable release. Also I will take the Norma parts completely apart and clean them, check light seals, clean helical, etc.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4230/35683459891_7bb3dac50d_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Wne4r6)Norma Handy Initial Build (https://flic.kr/p/Wne4r6) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4255/35683471951_0a50700e60_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Wne822)Norma Handy Initial Build 2 (https://flic.kr/p/Wne822) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

It is surprisingly light in weight so far. Very Handy! :)

Daniel Unkefer
9-Jul-2017, 07:48
Last one. Now waiting for additional parts.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4287/35428211760_d4ec4ca2cb_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/VYER4f)Norma Handy Initial Build 3 (https://flic.kr/p/VYER4f) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

Daniel Unkefer
13-Jul-2017, 20:36
Here the finder shoe has been added to the camera. So now I am waiting to receive the 65mm Optical Viewfinder, and I just paid for a Schneider 65mm F8 Schneider Super Angulon in Compur #00 from KEH. So the camera will be soon completed! :)

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4306/35869665686_ea8d94c714_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/WDFpVQ)Sinar Norma Handy Finder Shoe (https://flic.kr/p/WDFpVQ) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

Daniel Unkefer
17-Jul-2017, 05:09
Here is a modern "Handy" type of camera from China. Very similar to mine in many respects. Seeing this has given me a few ideas. It utilizes the same viewfinder as my camera.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4214/35755364201_48029235db_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/WtzA5z)4x5 Handy type camera from China (https://flic.kr/p/WtzA5z) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4307/35498826350_73deda7fdc_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/W5ULjb)Handy type camera from China 3 (https://flic.kr/p/W5ULjb) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

Daniel Unkefer
19-Jul-2017, 12:36
Well now we are getting somewhere. The lens arrived from KEH and it's a beauty. Very sharp on the groundglass, and WOW it's wide. I dug out my Norma-Era Sinar Reflex Viewfinder and I can see the whole screen edge to edge and it looks great to me!

The optical viewfinder is on it's way from China and then I will start to use the camera. This will be a blast............

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4326/35641245450_bca627855c_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/WiuGxU)Norma Handy with lens! (https://flic.kr/p/WiuGxU) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

Daniel Unkefer
30-Jul-2017, 08:12
Here is my home made Sinar Norma Handy camera, with a 6x9cm Graflex Back. Indeed in this configuration this camera is quite "Handy". Weighs almost nothing, balances well in my hand. The 65mm viewfinder from China is now in Chicago, so I should have it in a few days.

The Graflex back is loaded with 120 respooled 70mm Plus-X Aergraphic 2402, hand rolled by Bennini, and came all the way from Italy.

This will be a hoot to shoot with. I am going to drill out the handle and fit a long cable release to go to the 65mm F8 Super Angulon Compur #00 shutter. Then it is finally done.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4314/35870771710_5447e69139_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/WDM5Hd)Sinar Norma Handy 6x9 Graflex Back 70mm 2402 (https://flic.kr/p/WDM5Hd) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr




Here's the new viewfinder coming from China. Sure hope it works out for me.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4237/34956731914_e49ef79940_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Vg1owo)Sinar Norma Handy Viewfinder (https://flic.kr/p/Vg1owo) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

Jerry Bodine
30-Jul-2017, 08:41
Great progress, Dan. I'm wondering if you'll be able to get your eye close enough to the viewfinder to see the whole gg with the roll film holder in place... or with a film holder inserted for vertical composition.

Daniel Unkefer
30-Jul-2017, 08:55
Hey Jerry,

With the Graflex back you have to remove the Norma GG on the Norma Plate Holder Adapter, and secure the Graflex roll holder with the Graphmatic clips on the plate adapter.

As far as verticals go, I will turn the camera 90 degrees and shoot that way. A 4x5 plate does not block the viewfinder shooting horizontally, as far as I can tell. I have old Sinar literature that shows them turning the camera 90 degrees for a vertical. So I will do that and see how it goes.

Sinar made a rotating Handy viewfinder, mounted on a tall block. But that is for the modern Handy camera, not the Norma. I bet that would take 4x5 plates vertically............. But I would shudder to think what it originally cost ! And I want Norma, not modern Sinar. I am a Norma purist :)

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4310/35871907530_2ba3a06f9d_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/WDSUmj)modern Sinar Handy (https://flic.kr/p/WDSUmj) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

Daniel Unkefer
30-Jul-2017, 09:38
Also Schneider made a Center Filter 1 specifically for the Super Angulon 65mm F8. I am looking for one on the cheap............
Helpful when shooting 4x5" Handy photos. :)

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4319/36132426611_ffc13eea81_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/X3U8AB)Schneider 65mm f8 Center Filter (https://flic.kr/p/X3U8AB) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

EdSawyer
31-Jul-2017, 08:21
Don't expect great results from that viewfinder... just sayin'. ;-) For my Cambo Wide with 65mm, I find the Mamiya 7 43mm viewfinder a good match, plus it has a bubble level built-in. You can find them for $100-ish, depending on when/where you look.

-Ed

Daniel Unkefer
1-Aug-2017, 05:50
Thanks Ed! The Gaoersi Viewfinder arrived yesterday, Yes it's kind of painful to look through, especially at the edges. Also wonder how accurate the framing would be with this finder. Oh Well ;-) There are not too many 65mm 4x5 finders around here to try out!

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4297/36268554036_00700e7a2c_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/XfVPxb)Yashica SLR Viewfinder on Sinar Handy (https://flic.kr/p/XfVPxb) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

I did look around all my stuff, and I found a nice Yashica SLR 21mm finder, this is comparable to the 21mm Leitz finder. Don't know if it's wide enough, but it sure is small and pleasant to look through. Here it is mounted on the Norma Handy.

Will search for the Mamiya 7 43mm finder. Haven't found any yet. Will keep looking.

Bob Salomon
1-Aug-2017, 09:02
Thanks Ed! The Gaoersi Viewfinder arrived yesterday, Yes it's kind of painful to look through, especially at the edges. Also wonder how accurate the framing would be with this finder. Oh Well ;-) There are not too many 65mm 4x5 finders around here to try out!

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4297/36268554036_00700e7a2c_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/XfVPxb)Yashica SLR Viewfinder on Sinar Handy (https://flic.kr/p/XfVPxb) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

I did look around all my stuff, and I found a nice Yashica SLR 21mm finder, this is comparable to the 21mm Leitz finder. Don't know if it's wide enough, but it sure is small and pleasant to look through. Here it is mounted on the Norma Handy.

Will search for the Mamiya 7 43mm finder. Haven't found any yet. Will keep looking.

If you are really worried about the finder's accuracy then you need to take into consideration the distance from your hot shoe to the center of your lens, field size and parallax.
In short, the finders you are looking at will not be all that accurate.

Richard Wasserman
3-Aug-2017, 09:33
You might want to look at a Mamiya Press 50mm finder as they are parallax adjustable (and not too pricey). Back in the day I had a Sinar Handy with a 75mm Super Angulon and used that finder. As no finder is super precise, once you get used to it, it could work well for you and your 65mm lens.

Bob Salomon
3-Aug-2017, 10:45
"....As no finder is super precise, once you get used to it, it could work well for you and your 65mm lens.
Well that isn't quite correct. A Linhof Mutifocus Finder, the version made for the last 40 odd years, has automatic parallax and field size compensation and accepts masks for film formats from 6x6 to 4x5. Of course it is designed for the Master Technica so it would not be as accurate on other cameras whose shoe to lens distance is different or whose shoe is not centered on the lens. It works for focal lengths from 75 to 360mm.

Daniel Unkefer
3-Aug-2017, 18:30
You might want to look at a Mamiya Press 50mm finder as they are parallax adjustable (and not too pricey). Back in the day I had a Sinar Handy with a 75mm Super Angulon and used that finder. As no finder is super precise, once you get used to it, it could work well for you and your 65mm lens.

Thanks Richard! I will investigate that possibility. I distinctly remember Sinar used to use Mamiya Universal finders on their Handy cameras. Need to dig out old literature......

Daniel Unkefer
3-Aug-2017, 18:36
I find the Mamiya 7 43mm viewfinder a good match, plus it has a bubble level built-in. You can find them for $100-ish, depending on when/where you look. -Ed


Thanks for that Ed! No finders on the radar as of yet, but sure does look awesome. :)

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4371/36191532002_3941236f6c_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/X984z5)Mamiya 7 43mm finder (https://flic.kr/p/X984z5) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4374/36315665026_692206990e_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Xk6gZC)Mamiya 7 43mm Optical Viewfinder 2 (https://flic.kr/p/Xk6gZC) by Nokton48 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/18134483@N04/), on Flickr

EdSawyer
4-Aug-2017, 09:10
I've had an used a lot of finders, the ones for the Mamiya 7 are as nice as they get, really, especially for really wide angles. It has easily adjustable diopter, plus the built-in bubble level helps too. The framelines show a region for close-up use as well. I actually have 2 of these, one for my mamiya 7 and the other for the Cambo Wide.

biggis
4-Aug-2017, 09:47
This is interesting. I have been looking for something new to play with maybe this can be my new walkaround camera.