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Dan Fromm
15-Apr-2017, 07:28
Subject says it all. That useful site seems to have vanished.

David Lindquist
15-Apr-2017, 08:55
Oh no! I see what you mean. I hope this is some temporary problem...
David

desertrat
15-Apr-2017, 09:11
Go to the Wayback Machine (Internet Archive) and plug in the following URL:

www.cameraeccentric.com/info.html

Click on one of the snapshots. Was able to bring up one of the Wollensak catalogs that way.

Click on every one of the catalogs and save as much to your hard drive as you can.

Colin Graham
15-Apr-2017, 09:19
Weird, this site (http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://www.cameraeccentric.com/) reports it as down, but I can still reach it, even after clearing my browser cache. What are you seeing on you end?

Funny though, LFPF keeps crashing on me while trying to post to this thread.

Leigh
15-Apr-2017, 09:30
It returns a valid IP address (92.242.140.21), meaning that the domain name is valid.
The domain name registration expires July 28th of this year.

But it fails a PING of that IP address, meaning its server is down.
This is probably a temporary thing, perhaps a hardware failure.
Or perhaps they failed to pay their hosting service bill.

- Leigh

mdarnton
15-Apr-2017, 09:34
Working for me.

Dan Fromm
15-Apr-2017, 09:44
Mike, that's interesting. http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ still says its down for everyone.

About cameraeccentric on archive.org. I tried perhaps six (6) different save dates there, always got the front page with the "info" page and, therefore, the catalogs behind it, not saved.

I use archive.org to back up pages referenced in my cook book, have found that it doesn't always put complete sites away when asked. Pages, usually, whole sites, rarely if ever.

BrianShaw
15-Apr-2017, 10:01
Isn't Dan a member here, or is he on APUG? Has anyone thought to PM or email him to ask? He's also rather visible on Facebook.

tgtaylor
15-Apr-2017, 11:58
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tgtaylor
15-Apr-2017, 12:05
Domain Information
Domain:
cameraeccentric.com

Registrar:
TUCOWS DOMAINS INC.

Registration Date:
2004-07-28

Expiration Date:
2017-07-28

Updated Date:
2017-04-14

Status:
clientHold

Name Servers:
yns1.yahoo.com
yns2.yahoo.com

desertrat
15-Apr-2017, 13:08
Mike, that's interesting. http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ still says its down for everyone.

About cameraeccentric on archive.org. I tried perhaps six (6) different save dates there, always got the front page with the "info" page and, therefore, the catalogs behind it, not saved.

I use archive.org to back up pages referenced in my cook book, have found that it doesn't always put complete sites away when asked. Pages, usually, whole sites, rarely if ever.
If you follow the link I posted, it goes directly to the info page, and I can view catalogs and their pages. Trying to get to the info page from the front page doesn't work. I tried that first.

charleymeyer
15-Apr-2017, 13:23
Using the Wayback machine I was able to open the info page for Sept. 2012:

https://web.archive.org/web/20161018062941/http://www.cameraeccentric.com/info.html

some of the more recent backups don't include that page, there might be a more recent page but I didn't check them all.

Charley

Dan Fromm
15-Apr-2017, 14:55
Charley, thanks for your persistence. I took your hint, looked for http://www.cameraeccentric.com/info.html on archive.org.

I don't know how you managed it, but the link you posted isn't for Sept. 2012, it goes to the most recent crawl, which was on Oct. 18, 2016.

I've book marked that link, will put it in my list of useful links if cameraeccentric doesn't come back soon.

[edit: turns out I don't have to, the link in my list is http://www.cameraeccentric.com/info.html]

charleymeyer
15-Apr-2017, 18:46
Hi Dan, I haven't a clue to how I managed that ... I tried emailing them to the address on their page, staff@cameraeccentric.com,
and got an unrouteable address bounce.

goamules
16-Apr-2017, 08:35
It's down for me, hope it's just a temporary problem.

Graham Patterson
16-Apr-2017, 08:45
If the server is down (and I get a non-existant domain from both Comcast and the University DNS), it might be worth trying cameraeccentric.com@contactprivacy.com. The site is registered with a hidden ownership, according to 'whois'.
Though there is a chance that the privacy registry forwards to the server, and not an independent address.

charleymeyer
16-Apr-2017, 11:03
Try this link from the Wayback machine:

https://web.archive.org/web/20161018062941/http://www.cameraeccentric.com/info.html

Charley


It's down for me, hope it's just a temporary problem.

Jason Greenberg Motamedi
16-Apr-2017, 11:39
There had been a notice on the site that they would be shutting down--getting out of the business--for quite a while. The names of the owners is probably public, and can be found through a search on this forum.

tgtaylor
16-Apr-2017, 12:22
If the server is down (and I get a non-existant domain from both Comcast and the University DNS), it might be worth trying cameraeccentric.com@contactprivacy.com. The site is registered with a hidden ownership, according to 'whois'.
Though there is a chance that the privacy registry forwards to the server, and not an independent address.

It's a Yahoo Small Business website. Yahoo gives its clients a privacy option.

Thomas

Mark Sawyer
16-Apr-2017, 12:23
I wonder whether the files could be posted on the LF Home Page, with proper credit given to the old site/administrator? It would be a shame to lose such a resource.

tgtaylor
16-Apr-2017, 12:36
With the prior owners consent you may be able to simply take over the site. The data is probably still on yahoo servers and the site is paid-up until July. Yahoo would welcome a new owner and the new and I imagine the owner wouldn't have to renew the existing merchant options.

Thomas

Dan Fromm
16-Apr-2017, 13:40
I wonder whether the files could be posted on the LF Home Page, with proper credit given to the old site/administrator? It would be a shame to lose such a resource.

Mark, see posts 12 and 17 above.

I've edited my list of useful links to replace the link to cameraeccentric.com with http://web.archive.org/web/20161018062941/http://www.cameraeccentric.com/info.html. The new link goes to the latest version on archive.com. Given how few new catalogs have been posted on cameraeccentric in the last couple of years, it is probably fully up-to-date.

I've also posted my revised list on my One Drive. The link is still: https://1drv.ms/b/s!AggQfcczvHGNkGG_P2z8Qiyc8Qo-

As I've built my list, I've checked that every link it on it that can be archived is archived and that the archived version works as it should. archive.org uses robots and not all sites allow robots to look at them, so not all of the sites for which I give links can be archived.

edit: link to my list corrected 7/13/2017

Mark Sawyer
16-Apr-2017, 14:31
Mark, see posts 12 and 17 above.


I've bookmarked that link, Dan. But I always worry such things will disappear with time. And can people find it who are searching for old catalogs without already knowing about it?

It might also be a good seed for growing a larger collection of such catalogs. I have a few that aren't on the old cameraeccentric site, as I'm sure many other forum members do.

Dan Fromm
16-Apr-2017, 14:51
Mark, my list of links is the largest and most comprehensive I know of. I believe, could be mistaken, that it points to most, if not all, of the catalogs of interest to LFers that are posted on the 'net. And, as I said, I've made sure that all of them are on archive.org.

About growing the set of catalogs that are available. Bob Salomon kindly lent me his collection of Rodenstock propaganda. I scanned it, put the scans up on my onedrive. There's a link to them in my list. If you have catalogs that you want to make generally available and that aren't already on the 'net, scan, post on onedrive or the equivalent, and give me the link. I'd be happy to put more links in my list.

In the fullness of time I'll sign up with archive.org and post my list there. This will make it more nearly permanent and possibly, if there are many links to it, easier for Google to find. AFAIK Google doesn't crawl onedrive or archive.org. But even if Google can find it, its existence will be hidden from people who won't run their own searches. There are many who ask questions here instead of searching this site first. Unfortunate, but that's how people are.

Jac@stafford.net
16-Apr-2017, 15:02
There are many who ask questions here instead of searching this site first.

Agreed, however this site's search facility is not good.
.

Dan Fromm
16-Apr-2017, 15:11
I keep telling people to use https://www.google.com/advanced_search with the domain set to www.largeformatphotography.info

No one remembers. If there were a sticky, no one would look at it.

Jim Noel
16-Apr-2017, 15:16
Thanks for guiding us to the web site.

Mark Sawyer
16-Apr-2017, 15:23
Dan, I've made use of your list many times, and I thank you for it! One of the nice things about the cameraeccentric site was that there were quite a few catalogs in one place. I was just thinking that a similar single site would continue to be a nice resource, and be made even better if we kept growing it.

Sal Santamaura
16-Apr-2017, 15:44
I keep telling people to use https://www.google.com/advanced_search with the domain set to www.largeformatphotography.info

No one remembers. If there were a sticky, no one would look at it.This specific example can be elevated to the general case I frequently invoke:


"Nobody listens to me."

:D

Dan Fromm
16-Apr-2017, 15:45
Absolutely, a master collection with all the world's catalogs in one place would be nice. I doubt it will happen. Copyright problems, even for old catalogs that would, in a fair world, be in the public domain.

Jac@stafford.net
16-Apr-2017, 16:00
I keep telling people to use https://www.google.com/advanced_search with the domain set to www.largeformatphotography.info

No one remembers. If there were a sticky, no one would look at it.

The forum UI could be changed to offer exactly that.

Dan Fromm
16-Apr-2017, 17:33
While I was at it, I added two links to Krauss catalogs, one in English, and uploaded.

jnanian
16-Apr-2017, 17:59
Isn't Dan a member here, or is he on APUG? Has anyone thought to PM or email him to ask? He's also rather visible on Facebook.

hi brian
do you mean seth ? seth broder and his wife used to run camera eccentric
i think he had trouble with spam, for a year or 2 my email gets
messages with his website address on it ( staff@ ) but its real return address
is the far east or russia...

goamules
16-Apr-2017, 19:05
Are we saying the camera eccentric site is gone?! Man, that's been a huge resource for thousands of people for many years. I hate to think in the Internet age we all should have been stockpiling thousands of redundant copies on our home PCs......

BrianShaw
16-Apr-2017, 19:57
hi brian
do you mean seth ? seth broder and his wife used to run camera eccentric
i think he had trouble with spam, for a year or 2 my email gets
messages with his website address on it ( staff@ ) but its real return address
is the far east or russia...

You're right. My brain got cross-wired and I was thinking of Dan Colluci. Thanks for saving me from appearing senile!

Leszek Vogt
16-Apr-2017, 20:28
Hmmm, maybe we can find it among the world's seeds in Norway.

Les

DrTang
17-Apr-2017, 18:05
I bet pacific camera would gladly take their catalog pdf files

Dan Fromm
17-Apr-2017, 19:43
Um, er, ah, cameraeccentric's catalogs are posted as collections of jpegs.

If you mean Pacific Rim Camera, I just visited their site. archive.org last crawled their reference page (http://www.pacificrimcamera.com/rl/rlrindex.htm) on October 25, 2016. The top level links work. Clicking on one brings up the next lower level, a sort of title page. Clicking on the link in the title page brings up nothing and a message that the page the link points to is available on the web. Anyway, there's practically no info there on LF lenses, a little more on LF cameras. Very spotty. A rainy day project, possibly long abandoned.

DrTang
18-Apr-2017, 07:32
ha... in the middle of the night I bolted upright out of bed and said to myself: Pacific RIM Camera

they keep posting new catalogs they've put up to various Facebook groups... I figured they were bulking that out


it's easy enough to turn jpegs into a pdf though..

DHodson
18-Apr-2017, 12:30
Not sure how many people are familiar with Project Gutenberg but it was started by Michael Hart in 1971. He invented the e-book and shared many, long before the internet via ARPANET and bulletin boards - amazing guy who unfortunately died in 2011.

His vision of an electronic library of copyright-free books lives on however with Project Gutenberg ( https://www.gutenberg.org/ ) and the efforts of volunteers around the world. This site is great for browsing and would be perfect for preserving and sharing these old catalogues (there's already a few on it).

I'd be okay with doing the legwork if someone could PM me a contact email for the former owners of Cameraeccentric.

Regards
Dave

Jac@stafford.net
18-Apr-2017, 14:12
I bet pacific camera would gladly take their catalog pdf files

I would, too. I pay for a gigantic server and can afford to continue for as long as I live. oops - as long as I live might be a liability considering circumstances. Must make provisions for long-term support.
.

praktiman
11-Jul-2017, 14:04
The Camera Eccentric website had been down for weeks and weeks. I thought at first maybe there was just a server issue or something, but now that it persists I'm beginning to worry. Does anyone know if the site will be back?

p.s. - not sure if this is the best subforum to post my question, but it seems like the closest, thematically speaking.

Mark Sawyer
11-Jul-2017, 14:14
You can find it at:

http://web.archive.org/web/20161018062941/http://www.cameraeccentric.com/info.html

Oren Grad
11-Jul-2017, 14:20
Threads merged.

praktiman
13-Jul-2017, 16:48
Threads merged.

Thank you, Oren. When I searched google, neither this discussion, nor any other similar one, came up.

praktiman
13-Jul-2017, 16:53
You can find it at:

http://web.archive.org/web/20161018062941/http://www.cameraeccentric.com/info.html

I will try the wayback again. I've actually gone there a few times and been frustrated to find that clicking on a catalog failed to bring up the catalog contents. This is why I posted my inquiry here. I will try it again, though. Actually, it's a good thing my previous attempts failed, because I've now learned about Dan's list, as well as Project Gutenberg. Serendipity is a thing!

Oren Grad
13-Jul-2017, 16:57
Thank you, Oren. When I searched google, neither this discussion, nor any other similar one, came up.

No problem! I hope someday we'll have a better search engine within the Forum software.

Dan Fromm
13-Jul-2017, 17:00
Re searching, see my comments in the list on using Google Advanced Search. The comments are buried in the web sites section.

I'll think about adding a section about searching within sites using Google Advanced Search.

On second thought, added and uploaded.

praktiman
13-Jul-2017, 17:29
Mark, see posts 12 and 17 above.

I've edited my list of useful links to replace the link to cameraeccentric.com with http://web.archive.org/web/20161018062941/http://www.cameraeccentric.com/info.html. The new link goes to the latest version on archive.com. Given how few new catalogs have been posted on cameraeccentric in the last couple of years, it is probably fully up-to-date.

I've also posted my revised list on my One Drive. The link is still: https://1drv.ms/b/s!AggQfcczvHGNkDc9td-MlQz7c43l

As I've built my list, I've checked that every link it on it that can be archived is archived and that the archived version works as it should. archive.org uses robots and not all sites allow robots to look at them, so not all of the sites for which I give links can be archived.

Dan, I just tried visiting your list by following the link you gave, but got "This item might not exist or is no longer available. . .Contact the owner of this item for more information."

Dan Fromm
13-Jul-2017, 17:34
Crap! Thanks for the news.

Please go to http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?138978-Where-to-look-for-information-on-LF-(mainly)-lenses -- this is a link to the sticky -- and try the link in post #1.

Edit: I corrected the link in this discussion that gave you trouble.

charleymeyer
13-Jul-2017, 17:58
This link from the wayback machine still works..

https://web.archive.org/web/20161018062941/http://www.cameraeccentric.com/info.html

Mark Sawyer
13-Jul-2017, 18:54
I will try the wayback again. I've actually gone there a few times and been frustrated to find that clicking on a catalog failed to bring up the catalog contents. This is why I posted my inquiry here. I will try it again, though. Actually, it's a good thing my previous attempts failed, because I've now learned about Dan's list, as well as Project Gutenberg. Serendipity is a thing!

Odd, I've been there several times and have never had trouble pulling up a catalog. It can be a bit slow sometimes, but I just checked and it's still working for me. :confused:

charleymeyer
13-Jul-2017, 19:55
Many of the wayback captures are incomplete, the one I posted is complete with all catalogues listed. Charley

praktiman
14-Jul-2017, 15:44
Many of the wayback captures are incomplete, the one I posted is complete with all catalogues listed. Charley

Yep, I had no trouble this time. I really can't recall what the issue was, but my normal practice with archive.org is to start at the most recent and work my way backwards. Regardless, problem solved. Very glad to have access to those catalogs again.

praktiman
14-Jul-2017, 18:06
Crap! Thanks for the news.

Please go to http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?138978-Where-to-look-for-information-on-LF-(mainly)-lenses -- this is a link to the sticky -- and try the link in post #1.

Edit: I corrected the link in this discussion that gave you trouble.


Thank you, Dan. Problem solved.

cameraeccentric
25-Aug-2017, 12:52
Sorry everybody about the site issues. Site is back up and hope it's still helpful!
Best,
Seth

Serge S
25-Aug-2017, 13:01
Sorry everybody about the site issues. Site is back up and hope it's still helpful!
Best,
Seth

Great to hear. I love your site:)

cowanw
25-Aug-2017, 13:15
Would a DVD be possible?

Mark Sawyer
25-Aug-2017, 13:17
YAY! The web archive version was a bit slow...

Steven Tribe
26-Aug-2017, 01:43
Well done.

jp
26-Aug-2017, 07:37
Sorry everybody about the site issues. Site is back up and hope it's still helpful!
Best,
Seth

Awesome and thank you! I love those old catalogs.